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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 07:04:48 AM » |
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I can't read the small print. I'm opposed to Police harrasing all bikers but if they are only arresting or harrasing bikers breaking the law I got no problem with it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 07:22:40 AM » |
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You have to click the magnifying glass icon in the upper right corner to blow it up.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 07:36:25 AM » |
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I read the entire article. It did not indicate any illegal activities, tickets, etc.
I am not sure what to make of it. Needs investigation.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 07:47:25 AM » |
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Why would a cop follow you into a bathroom unless they were hoping to catch you doing something? Cops don't use public restrooms unless they don't have a choice.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 08:12:04 AM » |
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now I can read it......sounds like harrasment to me.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 08:41:33 AM » |
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Yes, they were harrassed.  The cop didn't have any right to make him take off his shirt... or to inspect his tats. and to tell them to leave Nevada and never return... sounds like an old western. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 08:56:18 AM » |
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So, somebody chime in with 'What were the bikers rights?' 'What should they have done?' I think we all will benifit from these questions if answered by someone that knows what he or she is talking about.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 09:48:05 AM » |
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Perhaps walking into a crowded public restroom and calling everyone using the can "b1tches" and ordering them to hurry up is considered bad form in NV. According to the artical, which is PRO the bikers, NOTHING happened until that happened and they brought attention to themselves.
I think that whoever was covering the other bowls might have been a tad harassed first. If my kid was taking a dump, I would be cheering the police for giving a ettiquette lesson.
I am not saying that the NV sherriff isn't harrassing bikers, however, the moral of this story is if you don't want to get jacked up, don't act like a jacka$$.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 09:55:55 AM » |
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Perhaps walking into a crowded public restroom and calling everyone using the can "b1tches" and ordering them to hurry up is considered bad form in NV. According to the artical, which is PRO the bikers, NOTHING happened until that happened and they brought attention to themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 01:18:00 PM » |
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Perhaps walking into a crowded public restroom and calling everyone using the can "b1tches" and ordering them to hurry up is considered bad form in NV. According to the artical, which is PRO the bikers, NOTHING happened until that happened and they brought attention to themselves.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 01:24:15 PM » |
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Perhaps walking into a crowded public restroom and calling everyone using the can "b1tches" and ordering them to hurry up is considered bad form in NV. According to the artical, which is PRO the bikers, NOTHING happened until that happened and they brought attention to themselves.
I think that whoever was covering the other bowls might have been a tad harassed first. If my kid was taking a dump, I would be cheering the police for giving a ettiquette lesson.
I am not saying that the NV sherriff isn't harrassing bikers, however, the moral of this story is if you don't want to get jacked up, don't act like a jacka$$.
What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person. Marty |
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 01:40:50 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 02:51:20 PM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
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Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 02:53:06 PM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
Marty
Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 07:33:47 PM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
Marty
Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. +1 If you give consent it's gonna happen, if you don't it won't, at least not legally. Hoser  |
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 08:54:16 PM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
Marty
Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. Not quite correct. If the Police ASK for permission and you submit it's one thing; however, it they order you and you submit, it's still a violation of the 4th Amendment. Marty |
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 02:22:25 AM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
Marty
Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. Not quite correct. If the Police ASK for permission and you submit it's one thing; however, it they order you and you submit, it's still a violation of the 4th Amendment. Marty While that is accurate Marty, the unfortunate truth is that what the officer says and what the officer DOCUMENTS that he said may or may not be the same. It sounds to me like these guys had a brief case of rectal-cranial inversion and brought attention to themselves. That comment in the Head (restroom) doesn't excuse the way (this article describes) that they were treated. (never trust the Media any further than you can toss a politician of the same size and B.S. content. They are in the job to make money, and controversy sells. Unfortunately the media is often more than happy to 'modify' the story to suit their agenda) |
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 05:55:21 AM » |
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The media in this case is a volunteer magazine that is distributed through motorcycle shops for free. We have similar ones in my parts of the country, Thunder Roads and Full Throttle.
This also dovetails with pretty well with what I've heard from non motorcyclists about how LVMPD operates.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 03:14:46 PM » |
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What I wonder is WHY the cop followed them into the bathroom in the first place. Ordering the one guy to remove his clothing so they could see his tattoos is a clear violation of his 4th Amendment Right to be secure in his person.
Marty
Perhaps they were acting up outside the head. Remember, this is a one sided story with a pro biker bend. BTW, the biker consented to the search, no violation of the 4th ad., no different than if you consent to have your car searched. If the biker had refused and the cops held him down and took his shirt off, then you have a violation unless they have a warrant. This is basic stuff guys. If you consent you don't have a leg to stand on. Not quite correct. If the Police ASK for permission and you submit it's one thing; however, it they order you and you submit, it's still a violation of the 4th Amendment. Marty If they submit to it then their rights are not violated. If he is being 'detained' he has to show them. Cause I choose to open carry my firearm does not mean a cop has the right to ask for my LTCH. I have not commited a crime. Carring a firearm is not a crime. Now if I'm being detained due to a complaint, then I have to show him. I have alot of people ask to see my ink before.  |
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 03:17:47 PM » |
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I am not saying that the NV sherriff isn't harrassing bikers, however, the moral of this story is if you don't want to get jacked up, don't act like a jacka$$.
(Warning - Bad Language) Reminds me of this classic instructional video...
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 03:24:37 PM » |
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The media in this case is a volunteer magazine that is distributed through motorcycle shops for free. We have similar ones in my parts of the country, Thunder Roads and Full Throttle.
This also dovetails with pretty well with what I've heard from non motorcyclists about how LVMPD operates.
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