Citizen of Planet Earth ,,,,,,,,,not really Political,,, as it is Informative.

[big turkey]

This will affect your lives, it already has begun,

Led by Mr. Internet, that elsuive hero Albert Gore, Damn he got close to being President.

A little bit of sour grapes and he has found a way to conquer the world.

He almost had a conquest with a massage therapist.

Nobel Peace prize is getting fairly lame these days, Jonas Salk, Ghandi, Madame Curi, Al Gore, Obama.

 I don't

 particularly

see a pattern do youl?

Usually I see some attributes of greatness in all of the candidates and winners, but not in the last

two.

John Stossel narrates this special and he is pretty middle of the road, period.

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[elraque]

Seems to me that the people in Wyoming, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta, Yukon, Siberia, etc. wouldn't object to a little global warming in their areas.

I work at a large, coal-fired power plant. I'll believe we're warming the globe when I see us able to warm our parking lot.

In a word, "flapdoodle."

[x]

Seems to me that the people in Wyoming, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta, Yukon, Siberia, etc. wouldn't object to a little global warming in their areas.

I work at a large, coal-fired power plant. I'll believe we're warming the globe when I see us able to warm our parking lot.

In a word, "flapdoodle."

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

[Dubsvalk]

The earth has been here millions of years and has gone thru thousands of warming and cooling cycles.  All these occured without man's help.  Have we caused the current warming trend thru our industrial revolution that oddly happened in the 1920s?  Honestly, how can anyone say that we have caused a catastrophic heating of our planet when earth went thru many more drastic warming and cooling cycles than we have ever experienced?  We cannot, especially when a nutcase like Al Gore says its so.  And if he really believes what he is preaching would he be living in a house that costs thousands to heat and cool on a monthly basis?  I think not.  He is from Tennessee but you can have him if you want.  His own state wouldn't vote for him, much less believe his current scheme to increase his wealth.  This is yet another case of government's deliberate attempt to rule by scaring us into allowing them to raise taxes to thwart this holocaust at our expense; not theirs.
Bernie

[Robert]

Al Gore is working for his own agenda not for the good of the US. His track record for pushing policies and being wrong is consistent throughout all he has said and done. Thank God he didnt make president although like I have always said its the frying pan or the fire.


U.S. corn ethanol "was not a good policy"-Gore

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/09/court-identifies-eleven-inaccuracies-al-gore-s-inconvenient-truth

Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’

    * The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
    * The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
    * The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.
    * The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.
    * The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
    * The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
    * The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
    * The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
    * The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
    * The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
    * The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

 “Now in my 90s, the storm clouds are darker than they have ever been in my lifetime,” says Billy Graham in the new edition of Storm Warning.
Whether global recession, terrorist threats or devastating natural disasters, these ominous shadows must bring us back to the Gospel, says Graham in the book.

[3fan4life]

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

Intolerance comes in many forms; arrogance is one of them, as is dismissing one's opponents as being ignorant or bigoted rather than drawn deeply to different principles or priorities.

[alph]

i think it would be awsome to have the earth warm up!!  think of having a 12 month riding season!!  when would i ever find time to do maintenance??

i do remember having 15' high snow drifts during the winters when i was a kid.  i remember cause i use to plow our parking lot with an old McCormic H tractor, and that's how high the bucket would go!!  last year i used the snow blower about three times, and that was to clear the snow plow pile at the end. 

[98valk]

The Greening
by Larry H. Abraham

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/greening.shtml

"In 1967, a little book of just over 100 pages was published by Dial Press. The thoroughly innocuous title was Report From Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace. Leonard C. Lewin, who wrote the introduction, describes the circumstances of the book's publication as follows:

The Special Study Group then goes on to show how war, or the threat of war, is very "positive" from government's perspective because it allows for major expenditures, national solidarity, and a "stable internal political structure." They state, "Without it [war], no government has ever been able to obtain acquiescence in its 'legitimacy,' or right to rule its society." They further state, "Obviously, if the war system were to be discarded, new political machinery would be needed at once to serve this vital sub-function. Until it is developed, the continuance of the war system must be assured, if for no other reason, among others, than to preserve whatever quality and degree of poverty a society requires as an incentive, as well as to maintain the stability of its internal organization of power."

After exploring a whole range of "substitute" possibilities, such as a war on poverty, space research, even "the credibility of an out-of- our-world invasion threat," the Special Study Group reports and Doe recites." It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation- and-a-half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution."

I hope you didn't skim over the preceding paragraph. It explains, with almost unbelievable boldness, that environmental concerns were an almost perfect replacement for war, but it would take a generation or a generation-and-a-half (that is, 20 to 30 years) to bring this about. Remember, we are talking about a report circa 1967. "

The time frame is now complete, as evidenced by an article in the March 20, 1990, Seattle Post-Intelligencer. The front-page headline says, "Pollution a 'ticking time bomb,' conference warned." Datelined Vancouver, B.C., the lead paragraph read, "Environmental destruction is a 'ticking time bomb' that poses a 'more absolute' threat to human survival than nuclear annihilation during the Cold War, former Norwegian Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland told an international environment conference here."

In the section, "Substitutes for the Functions of War," they conclude:

"However unlikely some of the possible alternate enemies we have mentioned may seem, we must emphasize that one must be found, of credible quality and magnitude, if a transition to peace is ever to come about without social disintegration."
Then they say, "It is more probable, in our judgment, that such a threat will have to be invented, rather than developed from unknown conditions." [The emphasis is definitely mine.]

Doe, a.k.a. J.K. Galbraith, then summarizes, "What is involved here, in a sense, is the quest for William James' 'moral equivalent of war.'"

All I can say is, "equivalent of war" it is and has become, but "moral," never!

It is also worth noting that in his section entitled, "Background Information," Doe says, "The general idea...for this kind of study dates back at least to 1961. It started with some of the new people who came in with the Kennedy Administration, mostly, I think, with McNamara, Bundy, and Rusk."

The very same McGeorge Bundy who served as Kennedy's National Security Advisor has a feature article in Foreign Affairs, Vol. 69, No.1. Bundy's piece is entitled, "From Cold War Toward Trusting Peace." You must give these devils their due -- they are very patient.

Now let's shift the scene to April 22, 1970. On that day, with the approval of the Congress, President Richard M. Nixon declared the first Earth Day and simultaneously in the same year established the Environmental Protection Agency. (A few more cynical types, familiar with how the Marxist-Leninists and their Insider buddies like to link dates, have pointed out that most biographers also cite April 22 as V.I. Lenin's birthday. Not wanting to be Ultra-conspiratorial, I'll use April 23 for Lenin's birthday, as some others do, and not try to draw any ominous conclusions. Just thought you might be interested.)

It is finally "a generation- and-a-half" later, and the whole world is gearing up for Earth Day 1990. As I write, it is amidst the rising cacophony of what is to come. April 22 is going to be a very big day. My latest tally shows that 107 countries worldwide will be involved in a planet-wide recognition of this Green Gala.

In a front-page feature in the Sunday, January 28, 1990 Seattle Times, reporter Bill Dietrich said, "Environmentalists are hoping history is about to top itself with a[n]...Earth Day celebration...involving more than 100 countries and 100 million people. The goal is to make the '90s the 'Decade of the Environment.'"

How does this fit with the Report From Iron Mountain? Just two citations from the same Seattle Times piece make the point:

"Government, business, and consumers have spent up to a trillion dollars, by Department of Commerce count, to clean the environment...the U.S. seems to find three new environmental hazards for each one it conquers."


see the link for the full complete book. I've been following this since I read the book when it was first printed.

[CajunRider]

i think it would be awsome to have the earth warm up!!  think of having a 12 month riding season!!  when would i ever find time to do maintenance??

No need to think about it... just visit us here in Louisiana!!!   

As for global warming...  Yes, the globe is warming.  It has been warming since the last ice age... something like 15,000 years ago???  So, 15,000 years of warming, and they want to blame it on fossil fuels?  I didn't know we were drilling for oil that long ago!!!

[alph]

Yes, the globe is warming.  It has been warming since the last ice age... something like 15,000 years ago???  So, 15,000 years of warming, and they want to blame it on fossil fuels?  I didn't know we were drilling for oil that long ago!!!

didn't they blame it on 'cow farts' once????  if memory serves me right, weren't there more buffulo, and other wild game all over the western states before the white man came and killed 'em for sport??  didn't they "fart" just as much as cows do today??  what about my aunt, she farts a lot, does that count?

[elraque]

Seems to me that the people in Wyoming, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta, Yukon, Siberia, etc. wouldn't object to a little global warming in their areas.

I work at a large, coal-fired power plant. I'll believe we're warming the globe when I see us able to warm our parking lot.

In a word, "flapdoodle."

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

If I had any respect for you I might respond to your puerile insults. (Wanna compare IQ's? College degrees? Salaries? Sociopathic tendencies and behaviors? You might wanna investigate just a little before casting bell curve related aspersions.)

[big turkey]

The answer of the Global or Climate Changers or what ever they call themselves this week is

wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,spread your wealth out across the globe.

100 Billion is currently being contemplated as a start for the world bank.

Give this money to developing countries, like the stoves GE gave to the poor families of Africa.

Why does it always come back to give me what is yours so we can all play nice together.

It's Socialism by other means is all.

So start playing poor America so we can lick this climate change.

Hey wait won't the newly aquired assets in the hands of foriegners be burning a hole in

thier pocket so they will try to improve the meager existance they find themselves in.

Then they will want cars and washing machines and TV's and well the list goes on.

Converting them to Green Housers as well.

Giving all we have away will do one thing,


make us poor and them rich and put us in chains .

Al

[x]

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

Intolerance comes in many forms; arrogance is one of them, as is dismissing one's opponents as being ignorant or bigoted rather than drawn deeply to different principles or priorities.

Yah... could be... then again, could be my opponent really is ignorant... that's the message he sends me with his posts.

[x]

(Wanna compare IQ's? College degrees? Salaries? Sociopathic tendencies and behaviors? You might wanna investigate just a little before casting bell curve related aspersions.)

Sure... you start.

[elraque]

(Wanna compare IQ's? College degrees? Salaries? Sociopathic tendencies and behaviors? You might wanna investigate just a little before casting bell curve related aspersions.)

Sure... you start.

Okay, I'll start with a BS in engineering and a minor in mathematics. Oh, yeah, and a second minor in religion.

Your turn.

[elraque]

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

Intolerance comes in many forms; arrogance is one of them, as is dismissing one's opponents as being ignorant or bigoted rather than drawn deeply to different principles or priorities.

Yah... could be... then again, could be my opponent really is ignorant... that's the message he sends me with his posts.

Funny, I didn't realize I was an "opponent." I thought we were two people in an online forum trying to have a scholarly and civil discussion. (Kind of tough, though, with someone who has stated that they don't really care about my opinion(s). )

Should I be offended that it has just been suggested that I'm "ignorant?" Or does SE say that about everyone whose views don't exactly match his own?

[musclehead]

Seems to me that the people in Wyoming, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta, Yukon, Siberia, etc. wouldn't object to a little global warming in their areas.

I work at a large, coal-fired power plant. I'll believe we're warming the globe when I see us able to warm our parking lot.

In a word, "flapdoodle."

Very scientific... your parking lot versus the rest of the world.  You better keep those blinders on... you might see a few things to wake you up.  Oh well... someone has to fill in the back end of the bell curve.

freeze warning in jacksonville tomorrow morning, interior areas might see temps in the 20's
yes this is Florida I'm talking about.  how much money does algore have invested in an electric car company over in europe? answer about half a billion

[alph]

(Wanna compare IQ's? College degrees? Salaries? Sociopathic tendencies and behaviors? You might wanna investigate just a little before casting bell curve related aspersions.)

Sure... you start.

Okay, I'll start with a BS in engineering and a minor in mathematics. Oh, yeah, and a second minor in religion.

Your turn.

I’m a college drop out.  I just turned 44.  My 3000 square foot house is paid for, I’ve taken two IQ tests one was 139, and the other was 141.  So, do I qualify as being stupid??    I hope so!!  My three older brothers all have college degrees; one even has a BS in Mechanical engineering, along with a BS in Electrical engineering, one has a Masters degree in Musical education.  And the third only has a degree from a Tech college.  Two of my brothers have had their homes foreclosed; all of them make over $65 grand a year.  How do you rate intelligence?  What makes a person “smart” anyway??  My father only had a 3rd grade education, yet retired at the age of 53 with 3 quarter of a million dollars. 

Seriously, how do you classify a person’s intelligence?  What makes one “smart”?

[Serk]

Seriously, how do you classify a person’s intelligence?  What makes one “smart”?

It's obvious... if you agree with me, you're smart. If you don't, you're dumb, or ignorant at best...

(In the above sentence, "me" is a variable, to be replaced with whomever is reading this)

[big turkey]

Intelligence is relative to the group you are talking too.

Experience trumps intelligence in two ways, that person already knows what won't work and you

as a intelligent person do not. Giving a leg up to exp., as also this person knows what will work.

And Luck, well we all know luck is the variable that will whip all our asses some days.

It's all relative to the situation.

High School Education, Trade School to become a Machinist, fortunate to work a job at a place

with a pension and 401K and early retirement options making more than 95% of all College

Graduates. Smart enough not to put that amount on here.

Luck is better than smarts and sometimes better than exp. or just Blessed is more like it.

But this would be better.

Or more Fun

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AL

[elraque]

(Wanna compare IQ's? College degrees? Salaries? Sociopathic tendencies and behaviors? You might wanna investigate just a little before casting bell curve related aspersions.)

Sure... you start.

Okay, I'll start with a BS in engineering and a minor in mathematics. Oh, yeah, and a second minor in religion.

Your turn.

I’m a college drop out.  I just turned 44.  My 3000 square foot house is paid for, I’ve taken two IQ tests one was 139, and the other was 141.  So, do I qualify as being stupid??    I hope so!!  My three older brothers all have college degrees; one even has a BS in Mechanical engineering, along with a BS in Electrical engineering, one has a Masters degree in Musical education.  And the third only has a degree from a Tech college.  Two of my brothers have had their homes foreclosed; all of them make over $65 grand a year.  How do you rate intelligence?  What makes a person “smart” anyway??  My father only had a 3rd grade education, yet retired at the age of 53 with 3 quarter of a million dollars. 

Seriously, how do you classify a person’s intelligence?  What makes one “smart”?

I'm hoping you're directing your question to SE... I'm kind of on your side on this one. Wondering what "smart" (as opposed to "ignorant") qualifications he's gonna post... waiting....