Mish mash of state's gun laws suck!

[Titan]

A guy winds up in prison for having 2 legally owned handguns in the trunk of his car.

It's totally ludicrous how the laws on gun ownership and rights vary when you're traveling and cross a state line.

Read about this particular case and make sure you don't get caught in this ugly trap when you're traveling across country with your weapons.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/02/new-jersey-gun-case-highlights-patchwork-state-gun-laws-relatives-experts-say/

[Jess from VA]

That case is a travesty......... an abortion! 

He even called State of NJ authorities to get advice on staying legal.  It's one thing to end up convicted on technical violations (ignorance of the law is no excuse... though sometimes it should be), but to get a 7-year sentence for lawfully purchased and owned guns, locked in the car trunk, unloaded, with ammo separate... with a completely clean record.  It's enough to make you consider rounding up a couple hundred good men and taking out every politician that voted for such trash..... and I mean OUT.  Death to tyrants is an excellent public policy.

I tell you, if you are moving to or just carrying weapons thru CA, NJ, IL (Chicago), NY (NYC), MA, MD, DC, or any other People's Republic, you better do your homework.  The NRA-ILA Website is your friend.  And try not to have your nitwit friends or relatives call 911 on you either.

Even empty (fired) handgun brass is illegal in DC.  I had a whole collection of empty brass in my Fed work cubicle a block from the Whitehouse, until one of my colleagues pointed out the crime.

[Hoser]

I hope the Governer, who seems to be a stand up guy, will stand up. Hoser

[Big Rig]

I feel for this guy...I lost all mine when I moved over to this nazi state...it does not stop crime in the state as Camden (#2 most violent city in the country) Trenton and Newark are all in the top 20.
Christie is a stand up guy, trying to do the right thing...the problem when Dem run the state for as long as they have, it will take a while to clean this stuff up, eventually it will.

There must be a reason why his mother called the police on her son...but 7 years is very excessive even for this f'd up state.

[Brad]

I hope the Governer, who seems to be a stand up guy, will stand up. Hoser

+1, from what I have seen and heard Governor Christie seems to be a fair and reasonable elected official.  I think that a polite email requesting a pardon of Brian Aitken couldn't hurt.

http://www.state.nj.us/governor/contact/

[fiddle mike]

So, was he busted and convicted by foreigners, just off the boat, who never heard of the Constitution?
Who busted him?

[Jess from VA]

I feel for this guy...I lost all mine when I moved over to this nazi state...it does not stop crime in the state as Camden (#2 most violent city in the country) Trenton and Newark are all in the top 20.
Christie is a stand up guy, trying to do the right thing...the problem when Dem run the state for as long as they have, it will take a while to clean this stuff up, eventually it will.

Now see this news on Camden.  Isn't it interesting that virtually every major city with excessive restrictive gun laws has the highest crime rates?

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/02/camden-city-council-approves-massive-police-and-fire-layoffs/

[highcountry]

Tax dollars well spent prosecuting and incarcerating this man - - NOT!!  How stupid!!

[Big Rig]

Now see this news on Camden.  Isn't it interesting that virtually every major city with excessive restrictive gun laws has the highest crime rates?

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/02/camden-city-council-approves-massive-police-and-fire-layoffs/
[/quote]

Yes saw this earlier this week...They could nuke Camden and start all over...matter of fact they could take that guy out of prison and keep another cop on the beat.

About a month ago, they just indicted about 10 Camden cops for various things, mostly shaking down the drug dealers and then selling the stuff on their own...

[Crazy Miles]

Yes, the gun laws from state to state are all just stupid.     Folks, it's going to get worse!  I give this paper to all people who I certify for their LTC in Massachusetts.  We here,  in  Massachusetts have the worse laws on book!      Vermont and Alaska doesn't require  LTC's  or gun permitts! Go figure  

[Jess from VA]

They could nuke Camden and start all over.

Now see, I have been advocating this same idea for Washington DC for years.  It's why I'm on so many watch-lists.   

[Serk]

Vermont and Alaska doesn't require  LTC's  or gun permitts! Go figure  

Arizona has "Constitutional Carry" now too, no permit to carry concealed anymore, and in Texas your car is considered an extension of your house, no need for a permit to have a concealed (And loaded) handgun in your vehicle any longer... (I'm sure other states are like that too)

[fudgie]

Why wouldnt the FOPA law help him since he was traveling?

[Varmintmist]

PA has direct reciprocity. If the other state honors ours, we honor theirs.

There were a lot more that transferred over before everyone else decided that their citizens were stupid and required classes and PA is a shall issue state. I used to be legal to carry in WV until they decided that theirs was better than ours.

Here, you go to the sheriff, fill out a form, get a background check, pay 21.00, and get your permit within 45 days, and a pamphlet telling you the laws. It is YOUR responsibility to learn how to shoot and read the law.

[Chiefy]

He was a resident, and didn't follow the law:

"However, his roommate testified that they had been sharing the Hoboken apartment since June 2008, and that he had seen the guns at the apartment in September 2008," Bewley wrote. "[Aitken's] mother testified that he had been living in Hoboken and working in New York City since June 2008. This incident occurred in January 2009."

That doesn't make it a good law of course. 

But he seems to be less then truthful about deserving an exemption because he was moving within NEW JERSEY that weekend.  He seemed to have done the move 7 months prior, and the move from Co to NJ preceded that.  The advice he got from state troopers (as far as I can tell) was for a Colorado resident coming in, he was an NJ resident when this happened.

If you pick and choose what laws to obey, you get burned.   Still, this is over the top.  7 years for a person with a clean background that made a mistake? 

[musclehead]

I feel for this guy...I lost all mine when I moved over to this nazi state...it does not stop crime in the state as Camden (#2 most violent city in the country) Trenton and Newark are all in the top 20.
Christie is a stand up guy, trying to do the right thing...the problem when Dem run the state for as long as they have, it will take a while to clean this stuff up, eventually it will.

Now see this news on Camden.  Isn't it interesting that virtually every major city with excessive restrictive gun laws has the highest crime rates?

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2010/12/02/camden-city-council-approves-massive-police-and-fire-layoffs/

thats not the only thing wrong with these layoffs, you'll notice they don't say anything about laying off anywhere else in the city government? this is an old liberal trick to push for new taxes, in the interest of public safety they will say they have to have more money to keep police and firefighters fully staffed. usually they also cut garbage collection too. next time any of your cities do this trick tell them they have to find other areas to cut.

[Brad]

Office of the Governor

Office of Constituent Relations

Post Office Box 001

Trenton, New Jersey 08625-0001

 

GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE ELECTRONIC RESPONSE

 

 

Please see below the signed commutation order for Brian Aitken, signed by Governor Christie at 4:30 pm today.

 

ORDER FOR COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE

 

WHEREAS, Brian D. Aitken was convicted of Possession of Dum-Dum

Bullets in the Fourth Degree in violation of N.J.S.A 2C:39-3(f)(l), Possession of

Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine in the Fourth Degree in violation of

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3(j), and Unlawful Possession of a Handgun in the Second

Degree in violation of N.J.S.A 2C:39-5(b) in the Superior Court, Law Division

(Criminal), Burlington County, New Jersey, and was sentenced on August 27,

2010 under Indictment No. 09-03-00217-1 to a seven-year term of imprisonment

with a three-year mandatory minimum; and

 

WHEREAS, the said Brian D. Aitken, caused to be made a written

application to the Governor for a Commutation of Sentence for the aforesaid

crimes of which he was convicted, and the State Parole Board, upon request of

the Governor in accordance with the law, has made an investigation of the facts

and circumstances concerning said application for a Commutation of Sentence;

 

NOW, THEREFORE, I, CHRIS CHRISTIE, Governor of the State of New

Jersey by virtue of the authority conferred upon me by the Constitution of New

Jersey and the statutes of this State, do hereby grant to the said Brian D. Aitken,

a commutation of the aforesaid sentence to time sewed, and satisfied on

December 20,2010.

 

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that Brian D. Aitken's release from the

custody of the New Jersey Department of Corrections be effected as soon as

administratively possible, or within a reasonable period to allow for release

processing pursuant to customary policy and procedure. ,

 

This Order is subject to revocation at any time, at the discretion of the

Governor, without notice.

 

 

[Brad]

email just as recieved.  They need to proof read before sending to the public.

[Jess from VA]

That is outstanding news.  Gov Christie did good!!

Just every so often a politician actually gets something right. 

[F6Dave]

Here's a great site summarizing all state laws (even has a trip planner): http://www.carryconcealed.net

[f6gal]

There must be a reason why his mother called the police on her son.

It's a poorly written paragraph, read it again.  It wasn't HIS mother that called the police; it was his son's mother, i.e. his estranged wife.  Of course, an estranged wife would never have ulterior motives.

[Al in AK]

Living in Alaska since I was eight years old, I have grown complacent in regards to firearms and the right to own and carry. I'ts just comes naturaly. The only time I give it any thought is when we have to cross into Canada. We now also own a home in Arizona, go figure, another state with the same values of individualism. And to think, I was born in Massachusetts. This does break your heart, the direction this country is going.

Oh! and Merry Christmas..................

[Tundra]

I know a guy that took a gamble driving a moving truck through those God awfull states, On a move from New Hampster to Florida. can't remember his name Boy, he was loaded for bear. Personal firearms collection, primers, powder, brass. They would've thrown the book at this guy and called him a terrorist. He's a Patriot
Scary up there, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

[Skinhead]

We all need to keep this in mind when we decide who to vote for in 2012.  It wouldn't hurt to let prospective canidates know where we stand on the issue, and that many states are infringing upon our rights.

[9Ball]

We sportsmen do keep this in mind, but there are too many politicians of the wrong political persuasion (trying to be PC) and too many liberal voters that keep electing these politicians to get rid of the numerous bad firearms laws that are currently in place here in NJ.

This state is a model for the "Brady bunch" and HCI (or whatever name they are morphing into lately).

[Hoser]

Yes, the gun laws from state to state are all just stupid.     Folks, it's going to get worse!  I give this paper to all people who I certify for their LTC in Massachusetts.  We here,  in  Massachusetts have the worse laws on book!      Vermont and Alaska doesn't require  LTC's  or gun permitts! Go figure  

You have Kansas wrong on your list.  It honors these state permits, also open carry is legal  Hoser
Kansas** AK, AZ, AR, CO, FL, HI, KY, LA, MI, MN, MO, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NC, OH, OK, SC, TN, TX, WV

[Jess from VA]

The problem is, reciprocity and other gun laws are in a permanent state of flux.

Although there are a number of decent websites on the subject, I would not trust my life, freedom and firearms to any other site than NRA-ILA.  You can depend on it being kept up to date.  Add it to favorites, and consult it just before your travel...... every time.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

[fudgie]

I know a guy that took a gamble driving a moving truck through those God awfull states, On a move from New Hampster to Florida. can't remember his name Boy, he was loaded for bear. Personal firearms collection, primers, powder, brass. They would've thrown the book at this guy and called him a terrorist. He's a Patriot
Scary up there, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

The guy that taught my Utah class lives in chicago. Before he got a chicago permit he still carried. He said he has been to more countries then he has been to states. After 4 tours in the sand he said he was not about to be killed in his home town. He was willing to deal with the conciqences of carring il(legal). 

[MP]

And, to further add to the confusion, ND has TWO different permits.  One, a Class Two, is the older permit, now only valid in some states.

The newer, more complete Class One, is valid in more states.

So, have to be careful if have a Class Two, as the web site may be referring to a Class One!

I have a UT and a ND Class Two.  Looking to upgrade to a ND Class One also.

MP

[fudgie]

Indiana has a few diff ones to. Most get the LTCH, which covers it all.

[Skinhead]

My other problem with all this is making the law abiding citizen pay for classes and a permit ( here in MI classes ~$100, permit $125!!!) basically, this is a tax to exercise your right to bear arms.  There is no tax to exercise your right to chose which if any religion follow, or to speak freely.  I feel a better solution would be to make any one who is convicted of a gun crime pay into a fund to cover any costs of processing the permits.  The way it is now they use it to deter people from getting a CCW permit.

There should not be a deterrent to exercising any of our rights.

[Brad]

He expresses my feelings exactly!!   



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