I want your opinions please

[XB70 Pilot]

I have a 2000 Interstate with 100,000 miles in good condition that has been my primary transportation. I just bought a 2005 Wing that will be the new primary ride. The original plan was to sell the Interstate but I am thinking that I may SuperValk (permanent mod) it Just for fun.  If I sell, I don't think that with the high mileage that it would bring a strong price. By doing the mod, I don't want to ruin the value of the I/S significantly. So the question is: SuperValk or sell? How much do I loose if I SuperValk? I hate to sell because I love the bike, but I don't think that I would be riding it much either in the SuperValk mode. fire away!

[f6gal]

If you do the convertible mod, you won't lose value.

However, if you're stuck on doing a permanent mod, the money you would make selling the trunk will more than offset any loss in value.

[PAVALKER]

If you do the convertible mod, you won't lose value.

However, if you're stuck on doing a permanent mod, the money you would make selling the trunk will more than offset any loss in value.

I would tend to agree with F6Gal above.  However... you indicated that "I hate to sell because I love the bike, but I don't think that I would be riding it much either in the SuperValk mode"....  so my question is if you don't think you will be riding it much either way... then what?  Understand your love of the bike but if you are not riding it then why hold on to it?  I know it might be hard to let go and you love it... so go ahead and do a convertible Supervalk or permanent Supervalk and sell the trunk to make up the diff for any potential loss.  I think it will all work out either way....

[bg]

for me,if i wasn't gonna ride it much any more then i wouldn't spend the time and $ needed to  fix something i'm not gonna ride.
save the time, and money.
then i've regretted selling some of the  bikes i've had before. of  course most  of that was cuz i needed the dollars to replace what i had just paid for the new bike.
it's a never ending cycle.
just look at the ones on this board that have numerous valks (some as high as 3 or more) and others that have other brands too.
good luck in your decision.

[Jess Tolbirt]

I have a 2000 Interstate with 100,000 miles in good condition that has been my primary transportation. I just bought a 2005 Wing that will be the new primary ride. The original plan was to sell the Interstate but I am thinking that I may SuperValk (permanent mod) it Just for fun.  If I sell, I don't think that with the high mileage that it would bring a strong price. By doing the mod, I don't want to ruin the value of the I/S significantly. So the question is: SuperValk or sell? How much do I loose if I SuperValk? I hate to sell because I love the bike, but I don't think that I would be riding it much either in the SuperValk mode. fire away!

ill swap you my 97 tourer for it.///

[JimL]

I think you had already pretty much answered your question to begin with, then Connie finished it up for you.  You are right that the high mileage will be a negotiating point that would not favor you should you decide to sell.  I would sell the trunk, and do the SuperValk.  Play with the SuperValk for a while, then when/if you tire of it......sell the SuperValk.

[Willow]

... I would sell the trunk, and do the SuperValk. 

Just a small point of clarification - if you sell the trunk you will not have a SuperValk.  A SuperValk is an Interstate that has been modified to provide the option to run with or without the trunk.

The miles on your Interstate, depending somewhat upon the condition  of the bike, could reduce your selling price by $1000 - $1500.  Should you choose to sell the trunk you should be able to easily get $1200 for it with the mounting hardware.

The full Interstate as it is, assuming good condition, should certainly bring no less than $5000.  I'm pretty sure you could get $3800 or more for the bike without the trunk. 

[Skinhead]

Romeo was looking for a trunk.  If you decide to SV you may want to contact him.

[Kaiser]

You asked for it, so here is my opinion:

Keep the Valk.  Not trying to make assumptions, but it sounds like you are not hard-up for the money since you are thinking of keeping it anyways.  Plus, you know exactly it's condition and what it does (and does not) need to keep in good mechanical condition.  PLUS, if/when you need to do maintenance to the GW, you'll have a backup bike so you can still ride.  PLUS - (and this is true for every owner out there) your Valk cannot be replaced.  PLUS - the market for selling a motorcycle took a pretty big dive a while ago.  Hopefully the market will improve and even if you put more miles on your Valk, you could get the same $$$ for it later on once the market rebounds.  (I don't think the selling price for a Valk with 1XXK miles versus 100K miles is that significant.)

Unless you need the $$$ or garage space, keep it.

That's my .02

[NiteRiderF6]

I bought an '01 Wing a couple of years ago to play around with.... With plans to maybe sell my Super Valk and the Wing and buy a newer Wing with FI, ABS, updated bike and warranty. When it got time to make a move, I figured out that I just couldn't sell my Valk, which is the bike that I really wanted to start with and the one that has given me years of trouble free service. I sold the Wing, made a little money and painted the Valkyrie. I love my bike and don't really foresee a scenario that would force it's sale. As long as I can keep her maintained, repaired and rolling, I will keep her! I found that the two bikes were similar enough that I didn't need to keep both.

[Jess from VA]

I agree with the other posts here.  To the tune of..... if you won't ride it, sell it as it is.  

If you will ride it, go ahead and convert it to permanent supervalk (I disagree with Willow's semantics... a Supervalk is an IS with the trunk and backseat off... permanent or temporary makes no difference).

You already have the wing for a full-dresser with a trunk, so why keep the IS trunk at all.  And you can get 12-1500 for it, which will cover the costs of a conversion.  And should you sell later, a permanent supervalk (depending on bling and accessories) should bring 100% to 85% of a full IS anyway... and you are already up by the price you got for the trunk anyway.

Now I can give you some info others may not.  I have two '99 Interstates, both blinged out with most available and hard to find accessories and add-ons.  However, I have one full-dress permanent interstate with trunk, and one permanent Supervalk... the trunk is long gone, and I have the hard to find Cobra rear fender struts for std/tourer (without any trunk upright/supports), and no backseat, or sissy, or rear pegs.  The bike is purely solo (as it should be) with an ultimate big boy with backrest and seat basket with a solo rack behind the seat.  

I got these with the intent to split my time equally between the two to last the remainder of my lifetime.  However a funny thing happened; I love riding the Supervalk so much more than the full IS, that I have about doubled the Supervalk miles.  I literally have to force myself to swap bikes and ride the full IS from time to time.  As you know, the trunk is ABS and pretty light, and most of us don't really load it down, unless on a big trip.  So you figure removing the trunk and its ordinary contents, the back seat and pegs probably deletes no more than 35-40 pounds from the bike... a "tall" 35 pounds, but its not much weight, and once underway, not really noticeable.  Yet, I still enjoy riding my supervalk much more than the IS dresser.  It just seems more sporty, gets a bit more air in summer, but still has that fairing with front speaker (only) stereo, and the 7 gal tank with 220 miles to reserve.  

In conclusion, I would do a permanent supervalk conversion; sell the trunk (and backseat), and get all the money you need to do it.  Rather than screw around modifying your IS trunk mounts, sell them with the trunk, and just get a set of std/tourer fender struts (Pinwall)  Buy new OE parts for the std/tourer taillight knockout on the IS (about $120), convert your signals to run-turn-brake with red lenses, and add a Back-Off license plate frame with LED brake light underneath the plate.  

You'll still have the reliable wing for a full dresser and you will like the supervalk so much, you will ride it all the time.  As much attention as the Valk gets, my supervalk gets twice the attention of my IS.

Like this:



Or this:

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I agree with the other posts here.  To the tune of..... if you won't ride it, sell it as it is.  

If you will ride it, go ahead and convert it to permanent supervalk (I disagree with Willow's semantics... a Supervalk is an IS with the trunk and backseat off... permanent or temporary makes no difference).

 

Might as well throw in my 2 cents on this and agree with Willow 100 % ....You DO NOT have a Supervalk unless you have made the modification's to run with or without the tour pack trunk. A Supervalk can have the truck back on the bike in or around 5 to 10 minutes.... Taking the truck off does not make it a Supervalk....You have a Interstate with the truck removed.

[Jess from VA]

OK, you and Willow can sue me for copyright infringement while I continue to call my bike a supervalk.  

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

OK, you and Willow can sue me for copyright infringement while I continue to call my bike a supervalk.  

It's your bike call it what you will however the rest of the world will know you have a Interstate with the trunk removed 

[Garfield]

OK, you and Willow can sue me for copyright infringement while I continue to call my bike a supervalk.  

It's your bike call it what you will however the rest of the world will know you have a Interstate with the trunk removed 

Then what is considered a Supervalk? Just want to now. Thanks

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

OK, you and Willow can sue me for copyright infringement while I continue to call my bike a supervalk.  

It's your bike call it what you will however the rest of the world will know you have a Interstate with the trunk removed 

Then what is considered a Supervalk? Just want to now. Thanks

Trunk On ....Trunk Off....In or around 5 to 10 minutes = Supervalk    If you don't want to cut your own Big BF will do it for you ....Lucky13 and I did mine ....Measure 25 times cut 1    Click the link below.

http://bigbf.com/bigbf_shop/mod_i-s_trunk/

[JimL]

lol....maybe with a little time and effort we can promote this debate to the status of Car Tire vs. Motorcycle Tire or Amsoil vs. Mobil 1 vs. Royal Purple!

To be honest I don't know which position is correct.  However, if I do happen to be driving down the road without a trunk on my I/S and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not....I would be inclined to give it to them, provided they would join me out in Las Vegas for a couple of days (or until such time that we were run out of town by the gaming commission...or got our legs broken)!

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

[NiteRiderF6]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

LOL Joe! 

[JimL]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

Even the educated fellow Valkyrie rider wouldn't know whether the trunk is at home or not (unless it happened to come up in conversation like we are having on the board now or during a tire kicking/BS session).  I still don't see the distinction.  

Regardless....I still get a big grin on my face whether I'm riding "an Interstate without a trunk" or a Supervalk!  

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

Even the educated fellow Valkyrie rider wouldn't know whether the trunk is at home or not (unless it happened to come up in conversation like we are having on the board now or during a tire kicking/BS session).  I still don't see the distinction.  

Regardless....I still get a big grin on my face whether I'm riding "an Interstate without a trunk" or a Supervalk!  

OK Jim...This is where these facts come into play " tire kicking/BS session "....Ride On,on your Interstate with the trunk removed  

[Fatboyman05]

I'm still looking for my first Valk, but I am highly encouraged by this thread and that thre arent really any comments about the miles on the bike being 100,000. Is it (100K miles) really not that big of a deal?

One question - does the passenger seat matter as to whether it is a Supervalk (with or without the trunk at home)

[Willow]

I'm still looking for my first Valk, but I am highly encouraged by this thread and that thre arent really any comments about the miles on the bike being 100,000. Is it (100K miles) really not that big of a deal?

One question - does the passenger seat matter as to whether it is a Supervalk (with or without the trunk at home)

Yes, it does matter.  If a buyer is looking at two Valkyries in about the same condition, one with 100,000 on the clock and one with 35,000 on
the clock the lower mileage machine will get the nod every time.  Is it the end of life for the Valkyrie?  Absolutely not!  However, the only thing the seller of the higher mileage bike can do do influence the buyer is to drop the price.

I own two Valkyries, one with 100,000 and oine with 154,000.  My guess is I couldn't sell either of them for what I would take.

No, the passenger seat doesn't make a difference.  The presence or absence of the passenger seat determines whether a bike is "soloed."

[Jess from VA]

Even the educated fellow Valkyrie rider wouldn't know whether the trunk is at home or not (unless it happened to come up in conversation like we are having on the board now or during a tire kicking/BS session).  I still don't see the distinction.

Actually, playing the devils advocate, I believe an educated Valk rider could walk up to the bike with no trunk and tell it was a detachable vrs permanently removed trunk because the detachable version should still uses the IS fender struts, which must have been notched for the on-off part of the supervalk trunk, whereas the permanent trunk removal likely has replaced the IS fender rails with std/tourer fender struts which are clean with no uprights or notches.

However, I persist in my belief that both are Supervalks........ one interchangable and one permanent.      (hands over ears "naaaa na na naaaa na, etc")

[JimL]

Even the educated fellow Valkyrie rider wouldn't know whether the trunk is at home or not (unless it happened to come up in conversation like we are having on the board now or during a tire kicking/BS session).  I still don't see the distinction.

Actually, playing the devils advocate, I believe an educated Valk rider could walk up to the bike with no trunk and tell it was a detachable vrs permanently removed trunk because the detachable version should still uses the IS fender struts, which must have been notched for the on-off part of the supervalk trunk, whereas the permanent trunk removal likely has replaced the IS fender rails with std/tourer fender struts which are clean with no uprights or notches.

However, I persist in my belief that both are Supervalks........ one interchangable and one permanent.     (hands over ears "naaaa na na naaaa na, etc")

Jess I think you are correct 99% of the time, except for the case where a neurotic individual doesn't like that tab on the I/S fender strut being exposed when the trunk is removed!  My setup is similar to yours, I have a separate set of fender struts that I put on when I remove my trunk!  

[Jess from VA]

Jess I think you are correct 99% of the time, except for the case where a neurotic individual doesn't like that tab on the I/S fender strut being exposed when the trunk is removed!  I have a separate set of fender struts that I put on when I remove my trunk! 

See Jim, this is the problem with requiring "detachability" to the noun supervalk.  Not only detachability, but "quick detachability."  Yours is a supervalk, though your detachability involves a more purest change to clean fender struts as well.  I don't have a trunk, but could go out and buy one and  a set of IS fender struts/uprights as well.  Then, if I practiced at it long enough, I could change them out quickly, say 10 minutes and voila.................. supervalk. 

I think the poor man who started this thread is probably afraid to come back now.  To our everlasting shame.  Hahahahaha (choke)

[Willow]

However, I persist in my belief that both are Supervalks........ one interchangable and one permanent.      (hands over ears "naaaa na na naaaa na, etc")

Some time ago my three-year-old grandboy had developed a habit when playing with his toy motorcycles of using the term step stand.

"Buddy," I said to him, "You can call it a kickstand or a sidestand, but not a step stand."

"Some people call it a kickstand.  I call it a step stand," was his reply.

I made no further efforts to enlighten him on the subject.    

[Jess from VA]

However, I persist in my belief that both are Supervalks........ one interchangable and one permanent.      (hands over ears "naaaa na na naaaa na, etc")

Some time ago my three-year-old grandboy had developed a habit when playing with his toy motorcycles of using the term step stand.

"Buddy," I said to him, "You can call it a kickstand or a sidestand, but not a step stand."

"Some people call it a kickstand.  I call it a step stand," was his reply.

I made no further efforts to enlighten him on the subject.    

Well.... of course you are entirely correct Carl.... in this particular instance. 

On the other hand, I have several attributes of a 3-yr old.... adding to my sense of humor and longevity. 

[Willow]

On the other hand, I have several attributes of a 3-yr old.... adding to my sense of humor and longevity. 

lol!  There are actually many benefits to the preadolescent view of life.      

[XB70 Pilot]

To all who have replied,

Thank you for your input. It must be snowing across the country . All of you are basically thinking the way I am and I just wanted some validation. The cool pictures sealed the deal for me to go ahead and keep the bike. All good ideas on the process and I will be seeking help going forward with the mod.

I know that the pure term for an interchangeable trunk on an Interstate is SuperValk. I do have a Wing (dresser) so I am going to permanently part with the trunk, rails, and two up seat for a solo ride. Maybe even the CB as well. This will fund the project. I am open to any thoughts on doing the job.

Thanks,

XB70 Pilot

[JimL]

Jess I think you are correct 99% of the time, except for the case where a neurotic individual doesn't like that tab on the I/S fender strut being exposed when the trunk is removed!  I have a separate set of fender struts that I put on when I remove my trunk!

See Jim, this is the problem with requiring "detachability" to the noun supervalk.  Not only detachability, but "quick detachability." Yours is a supervalk, though your detachability involves a more purest change to clean fender struts as well.  I don't have a trunk, but could go out and buy one and  a set of IS fender struts/uprights as well.  Then, if I practiced at it long enough, I could change them out quickly, say 10 minutes and voila.................. supervalk.  

I think the poor man who started this thread is probably afraid to come back now.  To our everlasting shame.  Hahahahaha (choke)

Jess your law background has been put to good use...this is a pretty good way to frame the debate!  

[Jess from VA]

Good call Pilotman;

Better save these:

Go here for pics http://bigbf.com/bigbf_shop/mod_i-s_trunk/

here's another link: http://www.f6rider.com/Articles/10_minute_super_valk.htm

and another: http://www.f6rider.com/Valk2/super_valk_conversion.htm  (broken)

Parts list for Std taillight. (you could go to Pinwall for this but I'd just get new for $120)

Honda standard/tourer taillight 33701-MZO-67117

RUBBER boot
80122-MZ0-000 001 $5.67

01 COLLAR
17216-HA7-670 002 $3.40

21 RUBBER washer
80219-KCZ-000 002 $2.50

23 BOLT, FLANGE (5X25)
90112-GG2-900 002 $2.50

Maybe the wiring harnesses for the Tourer.

33701-MZ0-671  tail light assembly  $110.65
80122-MZ0-000  rubber  $5.67
32102-MZ0-000  wiring sub-assembly  $5.52
32103-MZ0-000  wiring sub-assembly  $8.86

Used the wiring harness sub-assemblies from a Standard and they tied right in to the Interstate system (except for one wire) without cutting anything.  For the one wire, I just connected it and taped it to the standing part of the I/S wiring harness because I did not want to alter the original I/S harness.  I could have made a better connection if I didn't mind cutting the original harness.  No problems in the first year.

Call Pinwall for the std/touerer fender struts.  Best to eyeball the HDL parts schematics for this job.

Run/turn/brake controller tied to existing 1156 bulb rear signals, I think is easier than finding 1157 front signals to replace them with.
http://www.customdynamics.com/tailconversion_kit.htm#Run-Turn-Brake_Controller_and_Diode_Kit_-Metric_Cruisers

http://www.jpcycles.com/product/320-265?utm_source=googleproducts&utm_medium=cse

http://www.cyclegadgets.com/Products/product.asp?Item=BO



There may still be red lenses available that will fit, or you get clears and paint them with Testors candy apple red (on the inside).

[scoot]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

Waht mine's not a Tourer, then?

[PAVALKER]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

Waht mine's not a Tourer, then?

Unless it is a "Tourer" by model designation CT, with aftermarket bags installed to replace the stocker bags.  Otherwise it is a Standard with aftermarket bags.  

Edit... then again it could very well be an Interstate with the fairing, trunk and pods removed, and saddlebags exchanged with aftermarket bags...  I'm not sure about the tank tho....   lol

[Jess from VA]

Unless it is a "Tourer" by model designation CT,

Shoot............. and here I thought that the CT designation stood for....Camel Toe.     

(picture withheld in the interest of family viewing)

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Unless it is a "Tourer" by model designation CT,

Shoot............. and here I thought that the CT designation stood for....Camel Toe.     

(picture withheld in the interest of family viewing)

Not A Valkyrie Tourer

[Jess from VA]

Unless it is a "Tourer" by model designation CT,

Shoot............. and here I thought that the CT designation stood for....Camel Toe.    

(picture withheld in the interest of family viewing)

Not A Valkyrie Tourer

That's not the toe I had in mind!

And the red/white bike is not a Tourer.... you can see it has National Cycle bags.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

   and someone I don't know is clairvoyant enough to know whether or not I have the trunk at home gathering dust in case I later decide to put it back on in order to correctly determine if I'm riding a Supervalk or not

That " someone that you don't know " don't count in this case ....It's the educated fellow Valkyrie rider that counts.It's like calling a Standard a Tourer cause you just slung some cheap leather bags over the seat.

Waht mine's not a Tourer, then?

I would see that bike as a Standard with aftermarket saddlebags as well.My bike below is a 1998 Standard with a Hoppe fairing ...1999 Tourer saddlebags and a 2001 Interstate trunk...I've never called it a Tourer...I've never called it a Interstate...I've never called it a Supervalk however just for the record the trunk does have the modification to remove and replace with ease....I call it Half-Breed 

[Sodbuster]

Care for a little interjection ??  If it were mine I would remove the trunk (but not sell it right away) and see what that does for ya - if you feel a new liking for the bike then decide to sell it or not.

[f6gal]

A bit of history regarding the SuperValk term.  The gentleman (can't remember his name now... I knew him from the VOA) who was the first to accomplish the quick release trunk mod on his Interstate was very proud of being able to change quickly from trunk to trunkless.  
Because his Valkyrie could be I/S, Tourer, or Standard (bag drop kit), it was a "SuperValk"... all three models in one.

Hope that helps with the argument.  

Out of deference to the man that coined the term, I only refer to a convertible mod as a true SuperValk (technically, a bag drop kit is also required, but that never really became a recognized part of the term).

I'm truly embarassed that I can't think of his name.  He was about 6', on the thin side, gray hair and beard; black valk... C'mon RJ, Hotglue, FB... one of you must remember his name, I know you knew him.

EDIT: I just thought of his name... Biker Rabbi aka “Rabbi” Cameron