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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 09:57:21 AM » |
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The media needs to stop giving this guy press time. What happened in AZ was just tragic and if they picket that little girls funeral there will be a place in hell reserved for them.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 10:32:05 AM » |
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I guess the AZ shooter had the wrong target in his sights.
It does make one wonder how this low-life creature still walks among us  |
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 10:35:51 AM » |
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They are supposed to be here abnd I will be too. Standing with the ALR and Patriot Guard.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 10:51:13 AM » |
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The media needs to stop giving this guy press time.
I agree that giving him attention seems to legitimize and encourage Phelps. I stopped paying attention to this kook as soon as I saw his twisted message. I still do PGR duty, but it has nothing to do with Phelps and Co., and everything to do with honoring a fallen soldier and servant of freedom. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 06:18:22 PM » |
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The media needs to stop giving this guy press time.
I agree that giving him attention seems to legitimize and encourage Phelps. I stopped paying attention to this kook as soon as I saw his twisted message. I still do PGR duty, but it has nothing to do with Phelps and Co., and everything to do with honoring a fallen soldier and servant of freedom. You got that right. Now if everyone would quit talking about them and let them fade away as unknowns please. Raymond |
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 08:20:22 PM » |
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When is the little girl's funeral? I may come down for it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 08:09:54 PM » |
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AZ's legislature passed emergency legislation today that bans protesters from all funeral sites. Gov Brewer will sign it in the morning. Let 'em come, we'll arrest them and haul them away.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 08:18:36 PM » |
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Will not stop them from sueing for violating thier constitutional rights. That is how they make thier money. Sue persons that violate 'their' rights and damn the greiving family rights.
One of these days, they are going to hit a big ol' dear and go off a very deep ridge. I hope the deer walks away.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 08:27:01 PM » |
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Let 'em come, we'll arrest them and haul them away.
Too bad they can't give Sheriff Joe emergency jurisdiction over the area, I'm sure he'd have a few ideas as to how to handle these..... individuals... |
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 09:30:56 PM » |
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 05:23:49 AM » |
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The media needs to stop giving this guy press time.
I agree that giving him attention seems to legitimize and encourage Phelps. I stopped paying attention to this kook as soon as I saw his twisted message. I still do PGR duty, but it has nothing to do with Phelps and Co., and everything to do with honoring a fallen soldier and servant of freedom. +1  |
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 05:29:04 AM » |
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AZ's legislature passed emergency legislation today that bans protesters from all funeral sites. Gov Brewer will sign it in the morning. Let 'em come, we'll arrest them and haul them away.
Did`nt I read they have to stay 300` away ?  |
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 11:12:56 AM » |
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Looks like Westboro called off the protest of the 9 year old victim in exchange for some airtime on a Canadian radio show and an interview at a local AZ station. They still plan a protest of Judge Roll’s funeral and at the crime scene.
While this group’s message is repugnant, I don’t agree that restricting constitutional rights in any way helps this situation. Missouri also passed a ban on protests at funerals. I believe these bans will do nothing but provide fodder for more lawsuits and waste taxpayer money. In addition, it may actually backfire, and provide funding for groups challenging these laws, if they win a monetary judgment.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 11:55:29 AM » |
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While this group’s message is repugnant, I don’t agree that restricting constitutional rights in any way helps this situation. Missouri also passed a ban on protests at funerals. I believe these bans will do nothing but provide fodder for more lawsuits and waste taxpayer money. In addition, it may actually backfire, and provide funding for groups challenging these laws, if they win a monetary judgment. While I can see the concern regarding the backfire and possible waste of taxpayer money, I simply can't find any way to see how that the constitutional spirit of free speech could make protesting at a funeral appropriate.
The intent of the founding fathers was to protect the citizenry from persecution and arrest resulting from their speaking out against the governing powers. We have, it seems, spread that concept to mean we, as citizens, have the right to say whatever we want wherever and whenever we choose, unless, of course, we choose to yell, "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
I'm certainly not a libertarian. I believe that every liberty carries with it responsibility and that the responsibility implies reasonable boundaries.
I find no legitimate reason under any circumstances for any funeral to be used as an opportunity for expressing condemnation. Long standing tradition agrees with my viewpoint. Most of our forefathers would say, even of their worst enemies, "We don't speak ill of the dead." |
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011, 12:51:32 PM » |
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My First Amendment concern isn’t one of free speech, but rather free assembly (...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...)
There is no restriction in that amendment as to where assembly can take place, or what is said at that assembly. Abridging constitutional rights is a road we shouldn’t travel.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 02:10:35 PM » |
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My First Amendment concern isn’t one of free speech, but rather free assembly (...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...)
There is no restriction in that amendment as to where assembly can take place, or what is said at that assembly. Abridging constitutional rights is a road we shouldn’t travel. I honestly hadn't considered the right to assemble as it applies to the Westboro group's behavior. Haven't we pretty much regulated the right to assemble with parade permits and such?
Abridging what this person or that believes is a constitutional right is pretty much what we've been about for 230 years, but we're certainly at least partially in agreement as to the road. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 03:34:03 PM » |
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The media needs to stop giving this guy press time.
I agree that giving him attention seems to legitimize and encourage Phelps. I stopped paying attention to this kook as soon as I saw his twisted message. I still do PGR duty, but it has nothing to do with Phelps and Co., and everything to do with honoring a fallen soldier and servant of freedom. You got that right. Now if everyone would quit talking about them and let them fade away as unknowns please. Raymond well yea we can quit talking about him, but its the media that keeps giving this idjit what he wants |
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 04:08:19 PM » |
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"Attention seeking" is what the group under scrutiny is about. This is the very group that the PGR fends against disrupting the funerals of our dead war heros who have returned in a box after making the ultimate sacrifice for you and for me. These people aren't patriots and they don't seem to be religious by any stretch of the imagination IMO. Godly people would never attempt to disrupt any funeral and the dignity that it should hold, at least in my mind. Protests aren't for funerals and anyone who believes they are should have their head examined!  Let the dead ones rest! |
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 04:28:19 PM » |
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Although the press reported Arizona quickly passed a law prohibiting funeral protests (typical sloppy reporting), in fact, they passed a law requiring a 300-foot setback for protesters...... a rule other states have, that has already passed muster in the courts. Certainly a "reasonable" limitation of free speech and assembly. (Try assembling in the White house lawn sometime.)
These scum backed out of the 9-year-old's funeral.....imagine even some of them thought that was going too far...... or that maybe they'd suck some 7.62 NATO from the woods. I believe they will one of these days..... there is not one iota of socially redeeming value in their message or method. Then we can all attend their funerals with a dose of yellow holy water.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 04:37:26 PM » |
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Members of the Westboro Baptist Church won't picket the funerals of the victims of Saturday's shooting in Tucson that left six dead. Church spokeswoman Shirley Phelps Roper told Capitol Media Services she has accepted offers from hosts of various radio shows for air time in exchange for giving up the right to have their protests and carry their signs proclaiming "God Hates Fags.'' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41041731/ns/local_news-phoenix_az/Well they were given the attention they wanted  |
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 06:28:21 PM » |
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Westboro Baptists
Well I guess they missed that part about those that are "without" sin can cast the first stone.
There is a day coming when all this will be made right.
After the Great AND Terrible Day of the Lord, all these will be cast down to a very bad place.
Death, Hell, and the Grave, will be a thing of the past.
The Lord will be in control and he will wipe away all our tears.
These are promises and will come to pass.
Then there won't be all this strife we see.
But until then, Keep on Riding Patriot Guard and all those that stand up for those that can't do it
on their own.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 07:33:18 AM » |
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This is what happened when those fools came to McAlester, OK in November. I was there and it was amazing the turnout of at least 500 bikers of all kinds, Partriot Guard, sport bikes, Goldwinger's, 1% ers, Christians, and BMW'ers all united for Sgt. Jason James McCluskey and against the fools from that "church". Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114_11_a12_cutlin105145 |
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 10:29:44 AM » |
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It’s unfortunate that someone vandalized their vehicle. That is EXACTLY the response they are looking for. I expect some lawsuits and complaints to be filed soon, as this is how they operate. If everyone could learn to ignore them, they will go away. |
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 07:01:40 PM » |
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How ironic that our young men and women are putting their lives on the line so that POS and his followers can blasphemy the very people who help safeguard their "freedom of speech."
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2011, 11:28:36 AM » |
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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2011, 06:58:25 PM » |
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Now there's a man that even Will Rogers would have hated.
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