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Author Topic: Group Riding Etiquette - The Eternal Turn Signal  (Read 2851 times)
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« on: January 17, 2011, 10:40:11 AM »

I'm sure we've all encountered this a time or ten when out on the road...especially when riding with a group.

What is the proper way to tell a person to turn off their turn signal?  (Of course - I'm perfect and never leave my signal on for miles.  angel)

Just wondering what you guys/gals do when confronted with this situation.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 10:45:13 AM »


There's a hand signal that means "hey dude, your turn signal is on..." I usually just wonder why Smokin' Joe
is waving at me funny  crazy2

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 10:58:15 AM »

The one we use in the MSF course is to continually opne and close your hand.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 11:05:50 AM »

It is similar to what you do in the duck dance with your hands.  Also, it is the same gesture when you are trying to show that someone talks too much!




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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 11:08:39 AM »

Holding up one hand, palm forward while opening and closing the hand is the signal I've seen. But Detn8er just pulls up beside me and says "you going to run out of blinker fluid". Grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 11:08:56 AM »

Usually ride up next to them and tell them. If its to far up, i dont worry about it. Your bound to turn again.  crazy2
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 11:31:03 AM »

Both of Jabba's Valks have horn cancelling turn signals.  Cause when he leave his signals on and I honk at him (two quick beep-beeps) his turn signals go off......

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 01:11:10 PM »

i'll just ride behind the person with my signal on also......  sooner or later they wonder what the heck i'm doing, then realize they're copping me!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 01:16:19 PM »


There's a hand signal that means "hey dude, your turn signal is on..." I usually just wonder why Smokin' Joe
is waving at me funny  crazy2

-Mike

Hey Mike, don't worry joe said I'm the worse he's seen. 2funny 2funny
It's hard to ride a Harley half the time that has self cancling signals to valk with out them.
It seems to me there is a link on here that shows us how to fix that.  cooldude
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 01:18:18 PM »

First, I don't like riding in groups, but when I do, I use hand signals in town or slow traffic instead of the lights.  I am frequently asked if my blinkers don't work.  I hate forgeting the blinkers and leaving them on, hence the hand signals.  Seems you can't please everyone, so.....
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 01:31:05 PM »

Is that a problem for some people?   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 01:41:53 PM »

Most large clubs (both outlaw and AMA) that ride in long/large groups, use had signals exclusively by everyone in the group. That way there is no excuses like: "I forgot", or "my switch is broken".

Staggered riding is also the norm, as well as the "newbies" in the back of the pack, and a rear Road Captain to play "Mother Hen".


  
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 01:42:01 PM »

Blinker Buddy under your seat to remind.

Not a huge problem in a group.

But by yourself you might be sending the wrong signal to a cage and then Whamo.

Your hit.

So it could be deadly leaving your signal on.

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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 02:02:10 PM »

watching that video i thought someone lost his macho image doing that duck dance,, then i saw those speakers,, wow i can hear them from here!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 02:38:17 PM »

When riding behind Gman I will hit the air horn a few taps while alternating tappin on my helmet and pointing to the ground with the hand that is on the side of his bike that is blinking

When I am in front of him I will do the wave thing but it doesnt always work  lol   He must have an endless blinker fluid reservoir

Riding with your signal on can get you in dead trouble if someone will be entering or leaving the road along your path.



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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 04:39:28 PM »

 Hey T-Bird...
"It's hard to ride a Harley half the time that has self cancling signals to valk with out them.
It seems to me there is a link on here that shows us how to fix that."

Best fix, sell the Harley & get another Valkyrie! Grin Grin Grin Shocked Shocked cooldude cooldude

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 07:44:13 PM »

The self canceling on the Harley are NICE!!!!!  wish my Valk had 'em!!!!!  Also miss the cruise control... but I can fix that...... cooldude
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 08:29:09 PM »

The self canceling on the Harley are NICE!!!!!  wish my Valk had 'em!!!!!  Also miss the cruise control... but I can fix that...... cooldude


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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 08:36:14 PM »

I always leave mine on, I was going to try that blinker buddy out, but I'm not fond of vibrating things near my rear Grin
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2011, 11:46:31 PM »

In my GWRRA group usually someone hits the talk switch on their CB and tells the offender. I don't have a CB and am thinking of putting in a buzzer or bright LED on the top of the dash (I/S)...
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 04:19:04 AM »

I have done it so much... I tend to push the cancel option on the signal switch about every 30 seconds.
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2011, 07:16:47 AM »

The self canceling on the Harley are NICE!!!!!  wish my Valk had 'em!!!!!  Also miss the cruise control... but I can fix that...... cooldude

Depending on the situation, my 98 Harley's signals would turn off too soon... Depending on how many neurons I
have firing on a particular day, my 97 Valkyrie's signals stay turned on... it seems kind of a wash to me  Smiley

I strive both to develop the habit of turning them off, and of checking the indicator on the headlight in case
they are on...

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2011, 09:53:08 AM »

Here's what I did

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 09:57:49 AM »

When riding behind Gman I will hit the air horn a few taps while alternating tappin on my helmet and pointing to the ground with the hand that is on the side of his bike that is blinking

When I am in front of him I will do the wave thing but it doesnt always work  lol   He must have an endless blinker fluid reservoir

Ev, I thought I told you....I'm riding around the world...........to the left!    Grin
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2011, 12:43:10 PM »

Ken, great idea!

I'm always leaving mine on - how did you wire up the LED unit?
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2011, 02:42:23 PM »

Ken, great idea!

I'm always leaving mine on - how did you wire up the LED unit?
Ditto!
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2011, 02:59:30 PM »

I have done it so much... I tend to push the cancel option on the signal switch about every 30 seconds.
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lol me to! took me 3 years before I knew the bike had a cancel. I usually slid the switch to neutral instead of pushing it in.  uglystupid2
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2011, 03:22:33 PM »

I have done it so much... I tend to push the cancel option on the signal switch about every 30 seconds.
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lol me to! took me 3 years before I knew the bike had a cancel. I usually slid the switch to neutral instead of pushing it in.  uglystupid2

Well, Jabba, thanks to you, I won't have to wait another two years and eight months!! cooldude

I had no idea there was a cancel function on the switch! uglystupid2
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2011, 07:36:25 PM »

Bama Red and bigguy
it's wired into the turn signal circuit in the headlight bucket.....used a couple of diodes to keep it from back feeding from left to right signal and vise-versa.

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2011, 05:55:07 AM »

I have done it so much... I tend to push the cancel option on the signal switch about every 30 seconds.
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Ha ha!!!  I thought I was the only one that did that!  crazy2   Or if your gifted you could just ride up to them and cancel them yourself as they look flustered by how close you are.... I myself have not tried this maneuver but sure would freak me out!!
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2011, 07:13:26 AM »

Most large clubs (both outlaw and AMA) that ride in long/large groups, use had signals exclusively by everyone in the group. That way there is no excuses like: "I forgot", or "my switch is broken".

Staggered riding is also the norm, as well as the "newbies" in the back of the pack, and a rear Road Captain to play "Mother Hen".  

How do they ride safely with the clutch hand way up in the air.

I would think using the blinking light bulbs made into any motorcycle since 196? would be better.

Now if the hand signal was used as possible WITH THE TURN SIGNAL, then I think we got a winner.

Oh yea, it's been my short experience that I like the newbies up front. I'd rather watch the stupidness in front of me than have it riding up my tailpipe.


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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2011, 07:22:30 AM »

Most large clubs (both outlaw and AMA) that ride in long/large groups, use had signals exclusively by everyone in the group. That way there is no excuses like: "I forgot", or "my switch is broken".

Staggered riding is also the norm, as well as the "newbies" in the back of the pack, and a rear Road Captain to play "Mother Hen".  

How do they ride safely with the clutch hand way up in the air.

I would think using the blinking light bulbs made into any motorcycle since 196? would be better.

Now if the hand signal was used as possible WITH THE TURN SIGNAL, then I think we got a winner.

Oh yea, it's been my short experience that I like the newbies up front. I'd rather watch the stupidness in front of me than have it riding up my tailpipe.


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By using the hand in the air, the following riders can see it waaayyy back in the pack.  A turn signal has to be passed on almost bike by bike.  If one or two do not signal, none of the followers know about the turn ahead of time.  No problem using both.

Also, do not the vehicle codes call for using the left arm to signal?  They do here in ND.

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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2011, 08:04:31 AM »

By using the hand in the air, the following riders can see it waaayyy back in the pack.

I use hand signals a lot. My buddy Gary always uses both it seems... sometimes (and this is just me and him, not a pack)
I notice that his turn signal catches my attention quicker than his hand signals...

I remember recently when four of us were headed onto Tybee island after dark, and the lane we were in
disappeared... and I instinctively threw them a hand signal  coolsmiley a turn signal would have been
a lot better...

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2011, 08:28:40 AM »

I've used the method, henceforth referred to as the; "Jabba technique" as long as I've had the Valk (9 years.) And, here all this time, I thought I was the only obsessive, compulsive Dragon rider! I push that dang thing all the time!!! 


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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2011, 09:29:46 AM »

I installed a Kisan turn signal flasher 12 years ago.  Don't depend on it, it's just there to stop the dangerous flashing if I forget.  It actually doesn't fully cancel the signal, only shuts off the flashing.  As an add-on instead of a replacement of the thumb switch part of the system, it can't actually return the signal's state to fully off.  I came up with the brake-circuit pause of the countdown timer, after I asked for and they provided a copy of the schematic.  They then incorporated it into subsequent releases of the device.  Well I got their latest release for free for my trouble - actually a nice check would have been better.

I'm assuming the design still includes a settable time delay.  They did that with DIP switches. You optionally connect a line from the device to the brake lights circuit, and the counter pauses while the line is active.  I think I set mine for about 30 seconds pause, and hold the brakes on while waiting for the light to change.  I still regularly hit the cancel.

I believe there are other aftermarket devices that replace the switch too - and as such they are able to have a full cancel based on an accelerometer in the circuit.  I'm sure this is what you would find in an examination of the Gold Wing's turn signal.  Which also uses time, speed and distance  to cancel the signal.  It seems to be overly aggressive in canceling, to me.  But then it's better to err on that side I think: to be off when you are turning, then on when you're not, in terms of safety / misleading inattentive cage drivers.  I think the threat for the former case, is getting run over from the rear when left turning, while for the latter the threat is oncoming traffic thinking you're turning left, and then turn left in front of you, crossing your line of travel.  Likely to be a higher speed impact.  Also, in the former case, the incident is only for THIS turn, assuming you don't forget to re-signal the next turn.  If the signal remains on when you're not turning, how long does that go on?  A few seconds?  A few minutes?  All the way across town?  Repeated potential accidents.
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