rainman
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« on: January 18, 2011, 07:09:19 AM » |
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There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them
Never Forgive A Traitor For those of you too young to remember Hanoi Jane is a bad person and did some terrible things during the Vietnam war. Things that can not be forgiven!!!! and now OBAMA wants to honor her......!!!! In Memory of LT. C.Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!! She really is a traitor. A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICAThis is for all the kids born in the 70's and after who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear.. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.' BY BARBRA WALTERS WRITES: Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton. Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it , in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?' Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs) We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....' When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me. These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 07:20:55 AM » |
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Amen, Brother! Dubs
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 07:24:10 AM » |
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PLEASE don't get me wrong, for her legitimiate actions during this time Jane Fonda is, in my opinion a traitor, but..... Keeping the facts straight... -The 100 Women of the Century event already occurred... Back in 1999... This happened well before Obama was in the national spotlight. -The worst part in the story, where she supposedly collected the SSN's of soldiers slipping them to her, then turned them into the North Vietnamese captors where several were subsequently killed, it totally fabricated. http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda_urban_legends.htmhttp://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hanoijane.htmhttp://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 07:27:01 AM » |
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No respect here for Hanoi Jane. However, much of that email was debunked by Jerry Driscoll and Larry Carrigan 10 years ago. Driscoll said he never saw Jane, and didn't spit at her.
Don't put much faith in emails.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 08:30:24 AM » |
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While in training at the beginning of my USAF career, I met Lt Col (later Col) Henry (Hank) Fowler. He had a terrible limp, with what was clearly one leg shorter than the other, and I was surprised to see him still on active duty. He had been a pilot, but had transferred to the JAG department. He had been shot down over N Vietnam, and spent over 6 years in captivity. He was severely injured in the bailout but he was never provided any significant medical care, so he healed up the way he was. After transfer to the Hoa Lo (Hanoi Hilton) prison, with much physical abuse, starvation and isolation, he was told he would be meeting with Jane Fonda, a peace activist from the US. He refused, and so was beaten on the head with a ball peen hammer, until he changed his mind. Many who refused to participate in these propaganda stunts with hanoi jane were severely beaten and tortured. She has long ago apologized to being ignorant of her actions, but there can be no forgiveness of what she did to captured US airman. 26th March 1967 USAF F-4C Phantom 433 TFS, 8TFW, Ubon Col Henry P. "Hank" Fowler http://www.maxwell.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123169870
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 09:26:12 AM » |
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She provided aid and comfort to the North Vietnamese and that is enough in my book to make her a traitor to her country, and no amount of apologizing can make up for that. I wouldn't piss on her if she were on fire.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 10:13:35 AM » |
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She did enough to warrant a patch on my jacket. Centered on the bottom seam, as close to my "exhaust" as possible.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 10:16:06 AM » |
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She did enough to warrant a patch on my jacket. Centered on the bottom seam, as close to my "exhaust" as possible.
Up-side-down, I hope.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 10:25:53 AM » |
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I've posted this picture before, thought it deserved another viewing. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 11:17:10 AM » |
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A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country. ~Texas Guinan 4th Infantry Tet Vet 99 Interstate 97 Bumble Bee 97 Red & White
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 12:56:28 PM » |
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I remember my Dad, a LtCOL. In the Army having a cow when the pictures of her came out. My hanoijane patch is also up-side down with a ragged brown stitch work over the "jane" part. I never miss the urinal sticker either. I bought a workout video at a yard sale once the day before an outing to the canyon to go shooting. A gent there saw it and said he was a Viet Nam vet and would love to have a shot at it. I gave it to him and we had a laugh.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 02:14:09 PM » |
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Yep, our bullseye Hanoi Jane stickers were in the O'club urinals not on the side of PortaJohns.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 05:41:00 PM » |
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Yep, our bullseye Hanoi Jane stickers were in the O'club urinals not on the side of PortaJohns.
if she ever bursts into flames you better remove those Hanoi Jane stickers from the urinals.....wouldnt want to put that fire out! 
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2011, 07:28:01 PM » |
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If she was on fire, I would throw.................
A bale of 5 yr old hay, and a 5 gallon bucket of gas.
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