John Schmidt
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« on: February 19, 2011, 01:30:14 PM » |
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I don't like the sound of that, started being noticeable in the past 2-3 weeks. In the past I've checked the valve lash a couple times and made no adjustments, but it's been probably 20k since the last time and I'm wondering if I have one that's now talking to me. Based on experience with other engines over the years, this doesn't sound like a loose setting, but guess it's possible. The bike has about 40k on it and has never needed valve adjustment. What's your experience with such things on these engines? I do know if the carbs are way out of sync you can get some serious knocking...especially with the old flat fours in early Wings.
I'm interested in opinions, it doesn't make any difference whether the engine is cold or hot, and the noise doesn't stay. Once you start riding and have to stop for a light, you don't hear it. Only after sitting a few minutes and you restart it, you'll hear it for a few seconds.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 02:01:36 PM » |
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I had a ticking sound on my STD that I thought was a valve adjustment, turned out to be the pair valve ticking, desmogged and never heard it again, When my bike is cold I do have what sounds like pre ignition knock if I close the enricheners too soon, I believe it is the advanced timing from the ECM. As soon as it warms a little it is gone, Do you have an after market trigger wheel? 36,000 and no problems yet.
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 02:29:48 PM » |
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Turn up the stereo.
(Sorry, had to).
Fred.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2011, 03:20:10 PM » |
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Turn up the stereo.
(Sorry, had to).
Fred.
You're forgiven, no stereo so guess I'll just have to sing loud for the first few minutes.  I do have a four degree t/w installed, plus an I/S ICM, been good for the last seven years with no extra sound effects. Desmogged a long time ago, but it doesn't sound like a PAIR valve ticking. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2011, 03:30:10 PM » |
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Could be the oil filter is a different kind than what you used before? Maybe taking a minuet for the pressure to come up. I understand that our filters use a check valve to keep the oil in for just that reason. I am no real mechanic, just what I understood to be the reason for all the filter discussions  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2011, 04:03:07 PM » |
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...turned out to be the pair valve ticking... That would be my guess too. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 04:27:46 PM » |
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Have you changed from non ethanol to ethanol gasoline? Sometimes the 99 Interstate will clatter if I restart it shortly after shutting down, as in a high speed run, stop, fuel up, immediately restart.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 04:33:07 PM » |
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Have you changed oil lately, by that I mean brands and or weight?
What oil filter are ya running?
What octane gas ya using?
Guess tha is all for now Johnny Boy.
Later,
Keep your powder dry.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 05:00:20 PM » |
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Ditto on the oil filter. Drainback valve equipped? If so, maybe a bad oil filter?
Cheap & easy to diag that.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 05:48:01 PM » |
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Dang, never even considered the oil filter. I did try a different one, guess I'll go back to what I was using. No change in the gas, can't think of anything else. In fact the filter is larger in diameter and the chrome cover won't fit.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 06:18:21 PM » |
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Have you changed from non ethanol to ethanol gasoline? Sometimes the 99 Interstate will clatter if I restart it shortly after shutting down, as in a high speed run, stop, fuel up, immediately restart.
No Terry, it's not that. It does it ever so softly on start up of either a cold or hot engine....but I can hear it. Of course my hearing drives me nuts at times, too acute, not sure that's gift sometimes. I can be laying in bed and hear the thermostat click on/off from the other side of the house. Rita has to be in the same room. And, I usually can hear both sides of her phone conversations if I'm in the same room....really bugs her at times. There's been no change in the gas used...ethanol vs. non-ethanol. I did go from Royal Purple oil back to Amsoil, same stuff I used prior with no problems. I think I'll try a new filter as a starting point, go from there. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2011, 07:55:55 PM » |
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Has anyone mentioned to check the exhaust header nuts yet?
(scans page)
Hey, try checking the exhaust header nuts. Not too tight, they'll break off.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 05:18:38 AM » |
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if it's desmogged, then it can't be the PAIR valves.
As far as exhaust noise, he's describing a knock, not a tick. Exhaust leaks and other intake-type air leaks are more commonly described as ticks, not a knocking sound.
I'd guess the oil filter might be the culprit....good luck.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2011, 05:52:57 AM » |
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The Valk has solid lifters and the clearance is not effected by oil pressure, If he is hearing a knock due to low oil pressure, I wouldn't think the engine is not long for this world. If the oil pressure light is not on, there should be enough lube. A master gauge would tell the story.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 06:37:57 AM » |
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Tell ya what....just hand the title over to me and you won't hear that noise again....
Just kidding....sort of...
Would be real interesting to find out if your filter is the problem..whatever it turns out to be we'd all like to know how it went...
Good luck
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2011, 07:45:29 AM » |
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No idiot lights on my bike except for the kickstand light. I like to see what's going on in real time.  As for the oil pressure, it's normal and comes up quick upon start up. Guess I'll have to do some poking around with a stethoscope to try and pin it down. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2011, 08:46:15 AM » |
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Go back with the old filter style you usually use and start there!
I would not consider anything else until you do that!
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2011, 09:09:10 AM » |
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Go back with the old filter style you usually use and start there!
I would not consider anything else until you do that!
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That's where I'm headed today. Learned a long time ago to start with the last change made and see what happens. One thing at a time. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2011, 09:17:17 AM » |
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Well Get-R-Done Johnny boy, ya got us all on pins and needles now.
LOL............
I'd guess that you do not have a seep valve as I call it in your filter and it is bleeding dry like when ya change your oil.
Had that happen when I had my Cuda 440 6-pak Patrol car. Took it to Sac for a maintenance and it started this right after I got it back home. Talked to the shop and was told they were out of my filter and substituted one so as to get me back on the road.
Took it into the Chrysler/Dodge dealer the next day, they popped on a new filter, topped off the oil and it was good to go for another 4,000 miles. CHP shop never substituted another one. If need be, they sent a car to the dealer for one, this was not only for my Patrol car but for all of them. The shop manager and the Chief did not like paying someone else to redo their work.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2011, 11:21:13 AM » |
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It apparently was the filter....Mobil 1, #M1-104. I had been using the Mob 1 #M1-110 but they were out when I went to change the oil a couple weeks back, so I went with the #104. It's larger in diameter and my chrome cover didn't fit but I figured I could put up with it for now. Today I picked up the usual 110 model from the same place as before, went home and pulled the 104 off and guess what....there wasn't any oil in the filter. You know how you get a cup or less of oil out of the filter when it's removed, this had none in it. Nada! Zero! It apparently was functioning when you started the engine because there was evidence of oil having passed through it. I always fill any filter with oil before mounting it, and did so with the replacement 110. Started it up and there was a slight sound as in recent past so I didn't gun it...just let it idle for a minute or so. Shut it off and restarted it about 10 minutes later....no suspicious sounds.
Final analysis....for me anyway: stay away from Mobil 1 #M1-104. It may have been just a bad filter, but I won't use it again. Besides, my chrome cover won't fit. It fits the 110, although it's slightly longer than OEM size. But unless you're prone to crawling under bikes to check such things, you won't notice it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2011, 02:04:53 PM » |
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Dang, never even considered the oil filter. I did try a different one, guess I'll go back to what I was using. No change in the gas, can't think of anything else. In fact the filter is larger in diameter and the chrome cover won't fit.
The 6607 supertech filter at WalMart is identical to one Honda will sell you. Honda is $8-$15 and the WalMart one is $3. Cutaway studies show them to be indistinguishable on the inside....... |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2011, 03:40:31 PM » |
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Dang, never even considered the oil filter. I did try a different one, guess I'll go back to what I was using. No change in the gas, can't think of anything else. In fact the filter is larger in diameter and the chrome cover won't fit.
The 6607 supertech filter at WalMart is identical to one Honda will sell you. Honda is $8-$15 and the WalMart one is $3. Cutaway studies show them to be indistinguishable on the inside....... Chris, I hate going to our WalMart. For one thing, it's a ways down the road. And, as my wife told me once when I suggested we go there...."I don't have a current passport." |
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2011, 04:42:53 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2011, 05:11:35 PM » |
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It apparently was the filter....Mobil 1, #M1-104. I had been using the Mob 1 #M1-110 but they were out when I went to change the oil a couple weeks back, so I went with the #104. It's larger in diameter and my chrome cover didn't fit but I figured I could put up with it for now. Final analysis....for me anyway: stay away from Mobil 1 #M1-104. It may have been just a bad filter, but I won't use it again. Besides, my chrome cover won't fit. It fits the 110, although it's slightly longer than OEM size. But unless you're prone to crawling under bikes to check such things, you won't notice it.
m1-104 is the same as wix Part Number: 51334 which is a good filter for the GL1500. u had to have had a filter with a bad by-pass valve. |
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2011, 08:17:25 PM » |
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It did cross my mind but since it's too wide for my cover I won't use it again anyway.
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2011, 09:26:27 AM » |
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2011, 01:35:24 PM » |
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Mine has always ticked. Desmog and valve adj. Still ticks.
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