Terrorist plot by religious extremist foiled

[fudgie]

About half of my friends, co-workers, and associates consider themselves Christian.  Some consider it a private relationship with their creator, and never "Bible thump" or make negative comments about other religions.  Some are more forward with their opinions, and take a proactive stance to "save" others, and suggest how to run their lives.  There are even a few that are complete xenophobes, and believe you are worthless unless you are a white Christian.  Each person believes they are the "true" Christian, and all others got it wrong.

I don't have a hatred of Christians, or Christianity.  I DO have a strong dislike of people who use religion to coerce, control, and condemn other people.   Not only do we have religions battling each other, but they even battle amongst themselves.  Very little thought or reason go into these emotional conflicts, and it has proven to be the source of a lot of despair and suffering.

I agree with you on this.

[RoadKill]

My beliefs are MINE and they will never match 100% with anyone else because I am special 
It is too nice not to ride so I must keep this short...I'm right and every one else is wrong ! 

I agree with Bobbo's point and what he is trying to say. There is good and there is evil no matter to whom, or even IF you pray.

[Trynt]

More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda. Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

The DOJ data above shows that 1% of the U.S. population (Muslims) has contributed over 80% of the defendants in terror convictions since 9/11.

So lets say Bobbo and I go fishing.  I'm going to fish in the 1% of the lake that contains 80% of the fish. Bobbo, because of his inclusive, non-judgmental, non-discriminatory world view, fishes the other 99% of the lake that contains 20% of the fish. I submit, even with my meager angling skills, I will find it easier to get my limit.

[MP]

Here's a recent example:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,25667.msg231567.html#msg231567

There are more if you search for them.

I am going to make the assumption that my post in that thread is the one that you are referring to.

If so, I can see how you would think that I said "All" Muslims are terrorists.

However, I didn't say that at all.

I was taking exception to your suggestion that if I only had some muslim friends that I would suddenly "understand" them.

That's a bunch of BS and you know it.

How about I suggest to you that if you only had some "Christian" friends that you would suddenly "understand" and "like" them?

I fully understand that not "all" muslims are terrorists.

I have and will concede that there also has to be some "good" people in this world that are muslims.

I haven't met any yet. But, I realize that they must exist.

I just don't have any interest in "seeking" out any muslims to be my "friend".

Do you "seek" out Christians to be your friends?

Based upon your posts that clearly indicate your general hatred of all Christians, I would assume the answer to be NO.

\Well, Boboo, I still am awaiting you pointing out where "ALL" Muslims are terrorists.

[3fan4life]

About half of my friends, co-workers, and associates consider themselves Christian. 

This implies that you don't "believe" that they are.

Some consider it a private relationship with their creator, and never "Bible thump" or make negative comments about other religions.

As they should. 

Some are more forward with their opinions, and take a proactive stance to "save" others, and suggest how to run their lives.

 

Ther's a "fine" line to be walked here. No one should ever try to coherce or force another person to be a Christian. God allows man to exert free will. We should also respect this. However, the Bible commands us to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What some Christians fail to understand is that only means to "tell" others about the good news of Jesus Christ. In other words,

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".

There are even a few that are complete xenophobes, and believe you are worthless unless you are a white Christian. 

These people may indeed believe that they are Christians. However, The "handbook" for Christians is the word of God (the Bible) and NOWHERE does it support this point of view. 

Each person believes they are the "true" Christian, and all others got it wrong.

Can you say, "the folly of man"?
Satan knows the weaknesses of man and he exploits them at every possible opportunity.
This is exactly why we have Catholics and Protestants and multiple denominations.
This is not meant to say that there aren't any "good" Catholics or Baptists or Methodists or any other denomination that you can think of.
But, many new Churches are the result of "splits" because somewhere somehow some Christians weren't acting much like Christians.
 

I don't have a hatred of Christians, or Christianity.

It is said that "actions speak louder than words".
Since on this forum your words are your actions, I would have to say that your actions DO NOT SUPPORT this statement.  

I DO have a strong dislike of people who use religion to coerce, control, and condemn other people.   Not only do we have religions battling each other, but they even battle amongst themselves.  Very little thought or reason go into these emotional conflicts, and it has proven to be the source of a lot of despair and suffering.

I CANNOT find fault with or argue with this statement in any way. As a matter of fact I must say that I agree 100%.

[Bobbo]

More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda. Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

The DOJ data above shows that 1% of the U.S. population (Muslims) has contributed over 80% of the defendants in terror convictions since 9/11.

Even if the statistics quoted above are true, you have misinterpreted them.  The data, which is only for a specific time frame,  includes foreign terrorists, so comparing them to percentage of US population yields meaningless information.  A similar comparison would be that the vast majority of people who attacked us from 1941 to 1942 were Japanese, while only a tiny percentage of US population were Japanese.  The significance of this comparison is likewise moot.

[Bobbo]

About half of my friends, co-workers, and associates consider themselves Christian. 

This implies that you don't "believe" that they are.

It isn't my place to believe them or not.

There are even a few that are complete xenophobes, and believe you are worthless unless you are a white Christian. 

These people may indeed believe that they are Christians. However, The "handbook" for Christians is the word of God (the Bible) and NOWHERE does it support this point of view. 

You are demonstrating the same "judgment" as the people you condemn.  You, like they, believe your interpretation is correct, and theirs is wrong.  I think there's a Bible passage that covers this behavior too.

Each person believes they are the "true" Christian, and all others got it wrong.

Can you say, "the folly of man"?
Satan knows the weaknesses of man and he exploits them at every possible opportunity.
This is exactly why we have Catholics and Protestants and multiple denominations.
This is not meant to say that there aren't any "good" Catholics or Baptists or Methodists or any other denomination that you can think of.
But, many new Churches are the result of "splits" because somewhere somehow some Christians weren't acting much like Christians.

See above response.

I don't have a hatred of Christians, or Christianity.

It is said that "actions speak louder than words".
Since on this forum your words are your actions, I would have to say that your actions DO NOT SUPPORT this statement.  

My "actions" are quite consistent, in that I point out the negative "actions" of people carrying out their religious beliefs.

[Varmintmist]

You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

Not sure what you mean by "reached", but if it means linking this terrorist to an extremist religious organization, that's hardly a reach...

My post is in line with my beliefs, that nut jobs exist in every group.  It seems that some groups are underrepresented here, while others are regularly discussed.

Tell me that they are a christian religion http://theansp.us/index2.html

It way more than a reach, it was a powered leap from under the bridge. And the other factiod is that the wannabe bomber didnt even belong to the group that you are tying him to and claiming they are christians.

[Stude]

I would like to give it a few good wacks with this here stick.

 


Can't we all just get along 

[3fan4life]

You are demonstrating the same "judgment" as the people you condemn.  You, like they, believe your interpretation is correct, and theirs is wrong.  I think there's a Bible passage that covers this behavior too.

No "judgement" is being applied. What I am applying is the Word of God and no where does God's word say that "ONLY" white people can be good Christians.

"ANYONE" who believes otherwise is "WRONG" no ifs, ands or buts.

See above response.

Your sarcasm is duly noted. It doesn't however add anything positive to this discussion.

My "actions" are quite consistent, in that I point out the negative "actions" of people carrying out their religious beliefs.

See response below (sarcasm font not used).

It is said that "actions speak louder than words".
Since on this forum your words are your actions, I would have to say that your actions DO NOT SUPPORT this statement. 

[Bobbo]

You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

Not sure what you mean by "reached", but if it means linking this terrorist to an extremist religious organization, that's hardly a reach...

My post is in line with my beliefs, that nut jobs exist in every group.  It seems that some groups are underrepresented here, while others are regularly discussed.

Tell me that they are a christian religion http://theansp.us/index2.html

It way more than a reach, it was a powered leap from under the bridge. And the other factiod is that the wannabe bomber didnt even belong to the group that you are tying him to and claiming they are christians.

From the website you linked to:

Copyright © 2009-2011 - Aryan Nations & The ANSP

Looks like the ANSP is an associate group of the mother Christian white supremacy group.

This murderer wannabe sought materials from, and had plenty of contact with Aryan Nations.  You don't do that unless you share beliefs and are interested in joining.  These groups are similar to outlaw MC's in that they have a long and difficult process to join them.

[Bobbo]

\Well, Boboo, I still am awaiting you pointing out where "ALL" Muslims are terrorists.

Your question to me asked for an example where some have said all Muslims are "violent and evil".

The example I linked to showed a member claiming he doesn't have Muslim friends, because they are "LIARS... THEIVES.... and MURDERERS!!"

A broad statement like that indicates inclusion of all Muslims.  If you think those "qualities" are not "violent and evil", then I don't know what is.

Now you have changed the question to "terrorist".  Let me know when you have sufficiently tuned your question into it's final form.

[MP]

Did you read his reply?  Or just want to throw bombs?  I believe the later.

[3fan4life]

Did you read his reply?  Or just want to throw bombs?  I believe the later.

Bobbo has frequently demonstrated a tendency to ignore answers, questions or facts that don’t support his immediate point of view.

For Example the problem here :

[ur] http://tinyurl.com/4ksrthf [/url]

The search is specifically for “Christian White Supremacy Groups”.

If I were to google Islamic terrorists I could easily find support for the argument that “all terrorists are Muslims.”

A point that I know isn’t true.

Had the search instead been for “Non Christian White Supremacy Groups” evidence would have been found that not all white supremacy groups are Christian based:  

https://thevikingworld.pbworks.com/w/page/3917372/The-Role-of-Odinism-in-Contemporary-White-Supremacist-Movements

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wcotc.htm

But then this doesn’t support the premise that they are.

[Trynt]

More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda. Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

The DOJ data above shows that 1% of the U.S. population (Muslims) has contributed over 80% of the defendants in terror convictions since 9/11.

Even if the statistics quoted above are true, you have misinterpreted them.  The data, which is only for a specific time frame,  includes foreign terrorists, so comparing them to percentage of US population yields meaningless information.  A similar comparison would be that the vast majority of people who attacked us from 1941 to 1942 were Japanese, while only a tiny percentage of US population were Japanese.  The significance of this comparison is likewise moot.

Alright, I'll concede the 1% argument.  But the fact remains that 80% of the defendants convicted
were driven by an identifiable radical Islamic agenda.  The report covers 9/11/01 through 3/18/10. I'm sure you are aware that Eric Holder heads the DOJ and did so at the time of the report's release and given your political leanings I would think it would satisfy you as  being accurate.

[Tropic traveler]

Don't know much about percentages of religous terrorists from one religion to another.
What I do know however is, I don't remember seeing Christians around the world dancing in the streets in celebration when the Federal building in OKC was blown up by a supposed right wing terrorist.
I did see a lot of that from the Muslim world when the towers went down on 9/11/2001.

Whatever dude. 

[Bobbo]

More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda. Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

The DOJ data above shows that 1% of the U.S. population (Muslims) has contributed over 80% of the defendants in terror convictions since 9/11.

Even if the statistics quoted above are true, you have misinterpreted them.  The data, which is only for a specific time frame,  includes foreign terrorists, so comparing them to percentage of US population yields meaningless information.  A similar comparison would be that the vast majority of people who attacked us from 1941 to 1942 were Japanese, while only a tiny percentage of US population were Japanese.  The significance of this comparison is likewise moot.

Alright, I'll concede the 1% argument.  But the fact remains that 80% of the defendants convicted
were driven by an identifiable radical Islamic agenda.  The report covers 9/11/01 through 3/18/10. I'm sure you are aware that Eric Holder heads the DOJ and did so at the time of the report's release and given your political leanings I would think it would satisfy you as  being accurate.

When did Eric Holder join the libertarian party?!