Terrorist plot by religious extremist foiled

[Bobbo]

Where are the hordes of moderate followers of the same religion denouncing this act?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/09/ex-soldier-charged-connection-mlk-parade-bomb-plot/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

[MP]

Paul Mullet, who heads The Aryan Nations Socialist Party of Athol, Idaho, told the Journal that he had been in touch with Harpham   many times after he inquired about information of the group.
"He seemed like a real nice guy," Mullet reportedly said, adding that he sent Mr. Harpham literature but he never joined the movement.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/09/ex-soldier-charged-connection-mlk-parade-bomb-plot/#ixzz1GKPsd03Z

Seems like he never joined, if you actually read the story.

Also, since you want members of the same "religion" to denounce him, I cannot do that as a member of that religion, as I am not.  And, I doubt if many of us here are.

Not enough going on Boboo, that you need to stir the pot again with nonsense?

[SANDMAN5]

Not enough going on Boboo, that you need to stir the pot again with nonsense?

He got his medication mixed up again. He's just trying to blame something on all
Christians again....and failing miserably.

[Bobbo]

Seems like he never joined, if you actually read the story.

Also, since you want members of the same "religion" to denounce him, I cannot do that as a member of that religion, as I am not.  And, I doubt if many of us here are.

Not enough going on Boboo, that you need to stir the pot again with nonsense?

It's extremely unlikely that he was a different religion that the group he sought information from.

Had this person been getting material from a different religious fanatical group, would you still ask if I "need to stir the pot again with nonsense"?

Is it nonsense when extremists attempt to murder people?  If so, then there are a lot of nonsensical posts here about different groups.

[Bobbo]

Not enough going on Boboo, that you need to stir the pot again with nonsense?

He got his medication mixed up again. He's just trying to blame something on all
Christians again....and failing miserably.

I blame no one except this terrorist and his like minded groups.

I am asking the same question that is asked when different groups attempt terrorist acts.

What's so bad about putting the shoe on the other foot?

[..]

Nuts are nuts no matter their religous or political following/leanings

[Hoser]

I thought all you lefties do not believe Fox News?  You know, they never print the truth?  I am glad they caught him personally.  Hope they catch them all, regardless of thier "religion".  Hoser

[Serk]

I think the point Bobbo is trying to make is that many times it's been mentioned that all Muslims are violent and evil because, while only some act on that violence, the rest aren't out protesting in the streets condemning the ones that are violent...

And now, when some evil people that are professing to be of a different religion are caught trying to do some evil acts, he's evidently upset that there aren't millions of Christians protesting in the streets about the (attempted) vile acts of these people, and the discord between those two stances...

Anyway, other than trying to point that out, I'm now stepping the hell outta this one and going back to some other threads...

[Bobbo]

I thought all you lefties do not believe Fox News?  You know, they never print the truth?  I am glad they caught him personally.  Hope they catch them all, regardless of thier "religion".  Hoser

MP may not like you calling him a "Lefty"  

[9Ball]

the TSA is already profiling the white people....seems the majority being searched at the US airport screenings are white (often middle aged, young children, and senior citizens)....the shoe is already on the other foot.

[musclehead]

this is an easy one  I denounce terror no matter where it comes from. from Mcvey to major Hassan

[bigvalkriefan]

I have been a Christian for 16 years now and and they don't represent any of the Christians I have met.
Extremists exist in every "religion". If they truly had Jesus in their heart they wouldn't be doing any of the things they do. Same goes for the Muslims.
The Bible is a wonderful thing, it is the blueprint for life. If everyone followed Jesus' example and lived life like he says we should then all the worlds problems would be over. Nuff said.
You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

[Bobbo]

You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

Not sure what you mean by "reached", but if it means linking this terrorist to an extremist religious organization, that's hardly a reach...

My post is in line with my beliefs, that nut jobs exist in every group.  It seems that some groups are underrepresented here, while others are regularly discussed.

[Bobbo]

the TSA is already profiling the white people....seems the majority being searched at the US airport screenings are white (often middle aged, young children, and senior citizens)....the shoe is already on the other foot.

Can you also show statistics that indicate that same group of people are not the majority of air travelers?

[musclehead]

You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

Not sure what you mean by "reached", but if it means linking this terrorist to an extremist religious organization, that's hardly a reach...

My post is in line with my beliefs, that nut jobs exist in every group.  It seems that some groups are underrepresented here, while others are regularly discussed.

have you ever heard of a radio commentator called alex jones? I listened for about 1/2 hour and said enough! the man is so extreme right he's cozying up to the extreme left. I'm pretty sure in the 30 minutes I listened to him he said he was a christian, not by my defininition.

[Bobbo]

You really reached on this one Bobbo, This is is not like you. What's up?

Not sure what you mean by "reached", but if it means linking this terrorist to an extremist religious organization, that's hardly a reach...

My post is in line with my beliefs, that nut jobs exist in every group.  It seems that some groups are underrepresented here, while others are regularly discussed.

have you ever heard of a radio commentator called alex jones? I listened for about 1/2 hour and said enough! the man is so extreme right he's cozying up to the extreme left. I'm pretty sure in the 30 minutes I listened to him he said he was a christian, not by my defininition.

A full circle extremist!   

Never heard of him.

[BF]

Troll.  

[Bobbo]

Troll.  

And you don't apply this label to the myriad of forwarded chain email posts here?   

This is a real news article.  I am asking a question that has been asked here before.

[3fan4life]

When did White Sepremacy become a religion?

These idiots are no-more Christian than the idiots at WBC.

If you weren't so busy trying to sling mud into the face of Christians you might realize this.

Also, I can't believe that you used Wikkipedia as a reliable source.

Was that the only place you could find that was ignorant enough to refer to white supremists as Christians?

It seems to me that your hatred of this one group borders on obsession.   

[Bobbo]

When did White Sepremacy become a religion?

Virtually all White Supremacists derive their supremacy beliefs from or in conjunction with the Christian faith.

These idiots are no-more Christian than the idiots at WBC.

And you have the authority to determine who is Christian, and who isn't?

If you weren't so busy trying to sling mud into the face of Christians you might realize this.

The terrorist is doing the mud slinging.  I'm asking a question.

Also, I can't believe that you used Wikkipedia as a reliable source.

Was that the only place you could find that was ignorant enough to refer to white supremists as Christians?

It seems to me that your hatred of this one group borders on obsession.   

You can easily obtain information on these groups from many online sources.  You can also get it directly from them.  They would be overjoyed to hear from you! 

[3fan4life]

Virtually all White Supremacists derive their supremacy beliefs from or in conjunction with the Christian faith.

I can call myself a movie star........... that doesn't make me one.

And you have the authority to determine who is Christian, and who isn't?

I don't need any authority. I can read. Nothing in the Bible can be logically construed to mean that God only loves "white" people.  Anyone who professes that to be so, is not living a Christian life. 

The terrorist is doing the mud slinging.  I'm asking a question.

I tell my students that there is no such thing as a "stupid" question. I may have to rethink this.

You can easily obtain information on these groups from many online sources. 

Then why didn't you?

You can also get it directly from them.  They would be overjoyed to hear from you! 

So because I am a Christian I am also a white supremisists?
I thought that you prided yourself on reasonable and logical arguments.

How does this point of view explain:

Blacks who are Christians?

Asians who are Christians?

ETAL? 

[Trynt]

More than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involve defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda. Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population, they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DOJ lists.


http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

[Bobbo]

I tell my students that there is no such thing as a "stupid" question. I may have to rethink this.

Why haven't you reconsidered this stance when others asked the same question about different groups?

You can easily obtain information on these groups from many online sources. 

Then why didn't you?

If you find your own sources, you will be more inclined to believe them.

You can also get it directly from them.  They would be overjoyed to hear from you! 

So because I am a Christian I am also a white supremisists?
I thought that you prided yourself on reasonable and logical arguments.

How does this point of view explain:

Blacks who are Christians?

Asians who are Christians?

ETAL? 

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

[3fan4life]

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

So I am a white supemists because I am a Christian and I ride a Valkyrie?

[Serk]

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

Sorry, but trying to say that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is like saying terrorists are a subset of Muslims...

You've fallen for the very stereotype you're fighting against.

[Bobbo]

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

Sorry, but trying to say that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is like saying terrorists are a subset of Muslims...

You've fallen for the very stereotype you're fighting against.

Islamic terrorists are a subset of Muslims.  Christian terrorists area a subset of Christians.

No stereotyping at all, simply statistical categories based on actions.

[Serk]

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

Sorry, but trying to say that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is like saying terrorists are a subset of Muslims...

You've fallen for the very stereotype you're fighting against.

Islamic terrorists are a subset of Muslims.  Christian terrorists area a subset of Christians.

No stereotyping at all, simply statistical categories based on actions.

Your 2nd statement is correct, however saying that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is incorrect, as it implies the only people who are white supremacists are Christians. If you had said christian white supremacists are a subset of Christians, I would have agreed with you, but you didn't. Saying that all white supremacists are Christians is akin to saying all terrorists are Muslim. While most terrorists are Muslim in recent times, that does not mean all are, and the same could be said for white supremacists.

[Bobbo]

White Supremacists are a subset of Christians.  Valkyrie riders are a subset of motorcycle riders.

Sorry, but trying to say that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is like saying terrorists are a subset of Muslims...

You've fallen for the very stereotype you're fighting against.

Islamic terrorists are a subset of Muslims.  Christian terrorists area a subset of Christians.

No stereotyping at all, simply statistical categories based on actions.

Your 2nd statement is correct, however saying that white supremacists are a subset of Christians is incorrect, as it implies the only people who are white supremacists are Christians. If you had said christian white supremacists are a subset of Christians, I would have agreed with you, but you didn't. Saying that all white supremacists are Christians is akin to saying all terrorists are Muslim. While most terrorists are Muslim in recent times, that does not mean all are, and the same could be said for white supremacists.

Can you show an example of a White Supremacy group that identifies with a religion other than Christianity?

[Sludge]

Bobbo, why did you start this mess? 

Christian white supremacists... yes evil and misguided I agree.  I also agree with you that there are idiots in nearly all groups be they political, religious, or sports fans...

I think we as white Christian Americans have successfully fought along side our brothers and sisters of color over the past 100+ years.  The civil rights climate has gotten better largely because of white Christians who stood up against other white racist Christians when the time came.  Starting during the civil war.  Later in the 60s folks, like my father and mother as an example, carried black children to school in our car to shield them from the hate surrounding the end of segregation in schools.  They also had threats against them for their actions.  Slavery nor the civil rights movement would have taken place without a majority of white Christians supporting it.  Thats just a fact.

A fringe of white Christians support white supremacy.  The black power fanatics use Islam.

I dont think you will find any except those in a remote fringe of Christian society that would support these idiots in Washington state.  You know that.  I, like Musclehead, denounce terror no matter where it comes from. 

So there you have it.  A moderate Christian saying what this guy did was bad without any hesitation.

This doesnt change the fact that the lions share of terrorist activity fueled by religion in recent times comes from one area.  Islam.  Nor does it change the fact that in this case, You Sir are grenade throwing.

[Serk]

Can you show an example of a White Supremacy group that identifies with a religion other than Christianity?

No I can not, but then again, I can't show examples of Christian White Supremacy groups either, not an area I've done a whole lot of research in.

What I find so offensive is your implication that only Christians can be White Supremacists, I find that slur rather offensive... And that's coming from a non-Christian no less!

[Bobbo]

Bobbo, why did you start this mess? 

Christian white supremacists... yes evil and misguided I agree.  I also agree with you that there are idiots in nearly all groups be they political, religious, or sports fans...

I think we as white Christian Americans have successfully fought along side our brothers and sisters of color over the past 100+ years.  The civil rights climate has gotten better largely because of white Christians who stood up against other white racist Christians when the time came.  Starting during the civil war.  Later in the 60s folks, like my father and mother as an example, carried black children to school in our car to shield them from the hate surrounding the end of segregation in schools.  They also had threats against them for their actions.  Slavery nor the civil rights movement would have taken place without a majority of white Christians supporting it.  Thats just a fact.

A fringe of white Christians support white supremacy.  The black power fanatics use Islam.

I dont think you will find any except those in a remote fringe of Christian society that would support these idiots in Washington state.  You know that.  I, like Musclehead, denounce terror no matter where it comes from. 

So there you have it.  A moderate Christian saying what this guy did was bad without any hesitation.

This doesnt change the fact that the lions share of terrorist activity fueled by religion in recent times comes from one area.  Islam.  Nor does it change the fact that in this case, You Sir are grenade throwing.

I mostly agree with you and applaud your parent's courage.

I bring this up as an example since some here allege that Muslims must condone or endorse Islamic terrorism since they don't see hordes of Muslims denouncing their actions.  My purpose is to demonstrate that you don't need hordes of people publicly denouncing actions to prove that the vast majority of the same group disagree with the actions of a few.

[Bobbo]

Can you show an example of a White Supremacy group that identifies with a religion other than Christianity?

No I can not, but then again, I can't show examples of Christian White Supremacy groups either, not an area I've done a whole lot of research in.

What I find so offensive is your implication that only Christians can be White Supremacists, I find that slur rather offensive... And that's coming from a non-Christian no less!

http://tinyurl.com/4ksrthf

[Serk]

Can you show an example of a White Supremacy group that identifies with a religion other than Christianity?

No I can not, but then again, I can't show examples of Christian White Supremacy groups either, not an area I've done a whole lot of research in.

What I find so offensive is your implication that only Christians can be White Supremacists, I find that slur rather offensive... And that's coming from a non-Christian no less!

http://tinyurl.com/4ksrthf

I still find your reasoning on par with claiming that since you can't name a non redhead child molester all child molesters are red heads, but since you insist, a few minutes searching the Southern Poverty Law Center's site turned this up:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/american-renaissance

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/euro

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/pioneer-fund

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/occidental-quarterly

Now, I won't claim to know with 100% certainty that those organizations are not Christian, but at least searching the SPLC's articles on those (And there were many more under that section, but really this is just getting silly) there is no mention of the words "religion", "christ" or "Jesus".

What's REALLY sad about this is that until you went off on this tangent, I was actually agreeing with you on the original point you were trying to make. I don't necessarily believe this was the best venue to make that point, but the premise I agree with...

[MP]

I thought all you lefties do not believe Fox News?  You know, they never print the truth?  I am glad they caught him personally.  Hope they catch them all, regardless of thier "religion".  Hoser

MP may not like you calling him a "Lefty"  

As the commercial goes, Boboo  " LEARN TO READ".  hoser was not refering to me, he was referring to YOUR original post listing fox news.

MP

[MP]

I think the point Bobbo is trying to make is that many times it's been mentioned that all Muslims are violent and evil because, while only some act on that violence, the rest aren't out protesting in the streets condemning the ones that are violent...

I cannot remember a single time where it has been said here, or almost anywhere else, that ALL muslims are violent and evil.  We just think that if more denounced the extremists, some of the extremists may change their view about trying to kill us. And some would not.

MP

[Robert]

I was surprised to see this listed as a religious group and even more surprised to see them as Christian. This group has nothing to do with the Bible or anything for the good of society. I have never ever been interested to delve into this groups beliefs. As usual Bobbo your lack of understanding of the Bible has again in your own statement made you look foolish at a post that was supposed to make a status quo for religious groups. But I do appreciate the info on the group maybe I will have to look deeper into them. People who know the Bible and follow the teachings of Jesus will not be affected by this Bobbo because this group is so far removed from what Jesus taught.

[Bobbo]

I thought all you lefties do not believe Fox News?  You know, they never print the truth?  I am glad they caught him personally.  Hope they catch them all, regardless of thier "religion".  Hoser

MP may not like you calling him a "Lefty"  

As the commercial goes, Boboo  " LEARN TO READ".  hoser was not refering to me, he was referring to YOUR original post listing fox news.

MP

Since I'm not a "Lefty", by process of elimination, that left only you!  Subtle humor is not for the faint of heart...

[Bobbo]

I think the point Bobbo is trying to make is that many times it's been mentioned that all Muslims are violent and evil because, while only some act on that violence, the rest aren't out protesting in the streets condemning the ones that are violent...

I cannot remember a single time where it has been said here, or almost anywhere else, that ALL muslims are violent and evil.  We just think that if more denounced the extremists, some of the extremists may change their view about trying to kill us. And some would not.

MP

Here's a recent example:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,25667.msg231567.html#msg231567

There are more if you search for them.

[3fan4life]

Here's a recent example:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,25667.msg231567.html#msg231567

There are more if you search for them.

I am going to make the assumption that my post in that thread is the one that you are referring to.

If so, I can see how you would think that I said "All" Muslims are terrorists.

However, I didn't say that at all.

I was taking exception to your suggestion that if I only had some muslim friends that I would suddenly "understand" them.

That's a bunch of BS and you know it.

How about I suggest to you that if you only had some "Christian" friends that you would suddenly "understand" and "like" them?

I fully understand that not "all" muslims are terrorists.

I have and will concede that there also has to be some "good" people in this world that are muslims.

I haven't met any yet. But, I realize that they must exist.

I just don't have any interest in "seeking" out any muslims to be my "friend".

Do you "seek" out Christians to be your friends?

Based upon your posts that clearly indicate your general hatred of all Christians, I would assume the answer to be NO.

[Bobbo]

How about I suggest to you that if you only had some "Christian" friends that you would suddenly "understand" and "like" them?

I fully understand that not "all" muslims are terrorists.

I have and will concede that there also has to be some "good" people in this world that are muslims.

I haven't met any yet. But, I realize that they must exist.

I just don't have any interest in "seeking" out any muslims to be my "friend".

Do you "seek" out Christians to be your friends?

Based upon your posts that clearly indicate your general hatred of all Christians, I would assume the answer to be NO.

About half of my friends, co-workers, and associates consider themselves Christian.  Some consider it a private relationship with their creator, and never "Bible thump" or make negative comments about other religions.  Some are more forward with their opinions, and take a proactive stance to "save" others, and suggest how to run their lives.  There are even a few that are complete xenophobes, and believe you are worthless unless you are a white Christian.  Each person believes they are the "true" Christian, and all others got it wrong.

I don't have a hatred of Christians, or Christianity.  I DO have a strong dislike of people who use religion to coerce, control, and condemn other people.   Not only do we have religions battling each other, but they even battle amongst themselves.  Very little thought or reason go into these emotional conflicts, and it has proven to be the source of a lot of despair and suffering.