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A while back Tundra changed over to a Pingel, and was talking about it on a Pingel lover's thread  ... We exchanged some emails, and he sent me his old OEM petcock, which he had just rebuilt and it still didn't work. I tried to pull a vacuum on it, but couldn't... put a clean piece of hose on the vacuum nipple and shined a light down the gas nipple, but couldn't see the valve moving... So I took it apart... I can't say whether I did this taking it apart or not, this little flap is very fragile... but the flap is shot if you can shine light through it...  So I rooted around in this pile of junk I should have thrown out a long time ago and found a flap that didn't pass light...  Put it all back together and now the petcock passes the vacuum test, so now it is in my saddlebag... maybe someone's ride will be saved by Tundra's old petcock one day... Don't know what its shelf life will be in my saddlebag...  AMBUSH! -Mike "thanks Tundra..." |
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 01:31:01 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2011, 03:39:22 PM » |
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I have a Pingel installed, but also converted an OEM to manual operation to carry on trips. I also carry a spare electric shut-off valve when traveling, spare u-joint, spare master cylinder kit for the handlebars....same size fits either side on my bike. Figure if I carry them I'll never need them, but Murphy's Law says if I leave them home.....they will fail on the road.
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MacDragon
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2011, 05:23:15 PM » |
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I inherited my bike from my brother and it came with a shot petcock... If you're putting it up for grabs... I'm in definite need. Let me know what you need and thanks for the heads up. I'm in Mass. Again... let me know what you need for it. Tom Mac MacDragon. PS.. I like the little green gremlin too.  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2011, 05:47:43 PM » |
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You know Mike, somewhere down the road....maybe on the Hillbilly Run...someone's bike is going to die because of a bad petcock. And you'll have one and you and Lucky 13 will install it and it will turn that person's ride from a disaster to a "bump in the road". This is the best group of folks to ride with! Alway's thinking about each other. Amazing  |
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 05:56:51 PM » |
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Mike, I'm glad you are happy with it If you didn't get it, it would be in the trash by now. I rebuilt that one twice in one year. The first time I could see much more area's of exposed light penetrating the wore out membrane. The second time, I said "what the hey" twice in one year? Thought maybe I damaged it during the rebuild? The next time It gave me trouble I was done with it. I really hope someone gets some miles out of it |
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2011, 06:45:36 PM » |
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I inherited my bike from my brother and it came with a shot petcock... If you're putting it up for grabs... I'm in definite need. Let me know what you need and thanks for the heads up. I'm in Mass. Again... let me know what you need for it. Tom Mac MacDragon. PS.. I like the little green gremlin too. Tom... This is like an emergency petcock... the flap I found in my pile of junk might be the one I took out of my bike when rebuilt mine "just for safety's sake" a few years ago... I consider it a get you home petcock, not one that's ready for years of service... I have zero money in it, Tundra gave it to me. If ever someone needs it (you?) I'll just ask them to give me theirs - or just give it to them... For $29 you can get a cover set and that should make yours as good as new... COVER SET,rooster 16953-MBZ-B51 (replaces 16953-MV9-000) 001 $37.55 $28.91 Are you stuck not riding? Did you know about the cover set? Is there some other problem with your petcock? What are your broken petcock symptoms? -Mike "the cats hate the gremlin, they like the paper bag" |
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2011, 07:27:28 PM » |
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If you dont carry a spare you can always clamp off the hose when you park. Another get you home method.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2011, 07:31:56 PM » |
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If you dont carry a spare you can always clamp off the hose when you park. Another get you home method.
They break all different kinds of ways, more than just passing gas when parked. Sometimes they don't pass gas at all... Stanley Steamer had to load his Valkyrie on a trailer to get it home when his petcock went south... -Mike |
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MacDragon
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 03:31:26 AM » |
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I inherited my bike from my brother and it came with a shot petcock... If you're putting it up for grabs... I'm in definite need. Let me know what you need and thanks for the heads up. I'm in Mass. Again... let me know what you need for it. Tom Mac MacDragon. PS.. I like the little green gremlin too. Tom... This is like an emergency petcock... the flap I found in my pile of junk might be the one I took out of my bike when rebuilt mine "just for safety's sake" a few years ago... I consider it a get you home petcock, not one that's ready for years of service... I have zero money in it, Tundra gave it to me. If ever someone needs it (you?) I'll just ask them to give me theirs - or just give it to them... For $29 you can get a cover set and that should make yours as good as new... COVER SET,rooster 16953-MBZ-B51 (replaces 16953-MV9-000) 001 $37.55 $28.91 Are you stuck not riding? Did you know about the cover set? Is there some other problem with your petcock? What are your broken petcock symptoms? -Mike "the cats hate the gremlin, they like the paper bag" Thanks for the info hubcap... It's more than just the petcock. The Selector switch in front is broken as well, so that will have to be dealt with. The 4" shaft is broken right at the petcock and the selector spins freely. I have ridden it twice since I got her with no issues on the ride. I smelled gas the next day in my garage, but could not track down exactly where it was coming from. No gas on the floor and seems to be dry everywhere. I think I'm just going to go for buying a new OEM and selector switch or go the Pengel route. It's a work in process. All the carbs have been rebuilt and sinc'd. New braided steel cables (throt/brake), Progressive shocks and fork springs, brakes front and rear, Rubber (bidgestone exedras), final drive lubed, lift bracket installed underneath, MS windshield and lowers went on a few days ago, easybrackets waiting for saddlebags (not sure what kind yet) I have a Rivco centerstand that I haven't installed (rare now) Kuryakyn pegs, highway pegs, Iso grips etc. Sorry... longwinded... she purrs like a BIG kitten but still has things to take care of. Back to the issue... I know OEM items will cost a mint compared to the Pengel change... but I kinda want the selector look the way it was originally cuz I'd like to eventually get the hangers to fill in the spaces... Here's a pic with some of the stuff done.  |
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2011, 06:04:54 AM » |
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Tom... There's a bunch of fragile plastic stuff (particularly #7 and #19) that would be easy to break... the way that #19 bolts to the frame and the way that the petcock screws onto the tank bottom makes it easy to have stuff misaligned and something (#7 maybe) could break if someone tried to force the selector knob back on after having the tank off.. you should be able to reach down in there with a #2 phillips head and get screw #22 out... once #7 is off I can grab the squared-off stub with my thumb and forfinger and easily run a petcock through its three positions. If it is really your petcock, and not some of that plastic stuff, that is broken, I'll gladly send you Tundra's petcock... it looks like it would save you about $110... if you use this one, keep it checked by making sure that reserve works and that it runs out of gas in a mile or two when you have it turned off, since I rebuilt it with used parts...  Let me know.. your bike looks good, I read the thread about polishing, hope that works out... -Mike |
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2011, 10:36:09 AM » |
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Hey question....fuel line is 1/4"diameter correct? I went to buy a new fuel like for the Pingle install and they wanted $9.99 for 12"s...does that seem pricey? I thought it was for a piece of hose...
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 11:41:11 AM » |
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Hey question....fuel line is 1/4"diameter correct? I went to buy a new fuel like for the Pingle install and they wanted $9.99 for 12"s...does that seem pricey? I thought it was for a piece of hose...
Yes that is rather pricey,just go to your local parts house and bring in any hose you need replaced and match it up,whether it be fuel line or vac line,I just paid $1.29 a foot for fuel at OReilly here in town. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 11:49:09 AM » |
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Hey Mike, in that pile of yours do you have that screw that is #22 in the photo? I lost mine the other day and now my selector is loose. If you have an extra bring it with you on Thursday.
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 12:00:45 PM » |
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Hey Mike, in that pile of yours do you have that screw that is #22 in the photo? I lost mine the other day and now my selector is loose. If you have an extra bring it with you on Thursday.
I don't have it in that pile (there wasn't a 22 in there anyhow) - I threw the pile away I see about looking to see if I have another screw like that, as I remember it is pretty unremarkable... -Mike |
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MacDragon
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 04:40:05 AM » |
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Tom... There's a bunch of fragile plastic stuff (particularly #7 and #19) that would be easy to break... the way that #19 bolts to the frame and the way that the petcock screws onto the tank bottom makes it easy to have stuff misaligned and something (#7 maybe) could break if someone tried to force the selector knob back on after having the tank off.. you should be able to reach down in there with a #2 phillips head and get screw #22 out... once #7 is off I can grab the squared-off stub with my thumb and forfinger and easily run a petcock through its three positions. If it is really your petcock, and not some of that plastic stuff, that is broken, I'll gladly send you Tundra's petcock... it looks like it would save you about $110... if you use this one, keep it checked by making sure that reserve works and that it runs out of gas in a mile or two when you have it turned off, since I rebuilt it with used parts... Let me know.. your bike looks good, I read the thread about polishing, hope that works out... -Mike Hey hubcap, thanks for the reply... The microfisch blow up there is cut off at the right lower corner so I can't see what might be #7 . The petcock on mine looks like it broke flush with the petcock where the shaft from the selector meets with the petcock. In other words ... at the petcock, nothing to put your fingers around... Here is the face of the petcock...  I took the selector off just now. It was just hanging there anyway. Here is the end that broke off the petcock.  What do ya think? Wish I had more time right now to investigate further... ie; take off gas tank etc. I'm getting ready for work right now and doing 3... 12 hour shifts till Thursday. Sorry for the terrible pics... I'll get better ones when I have more time. Hope ya get the idea though. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 04:52:40 AM » |
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looks to me like your petcock broke off,,, that screw is screwed into the piece sticking out of the selector,,,yep its broke.....
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 06:24:35 AM » |
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After I bought my 2000 Interstate, I discovered mine was like that also. I think it happened when the previous owner had the carbs cleaned. I ordered a new stock petcock assembly, installed it, put it all back together, and it works like brand new. When done, just dont try to force it either way. There are only 3 positions - on, off, reserve.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 07:24:24 AM » |
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The microfisch blow up there is cut off at the right lower corner so I can't see what might be #7 . There must be a scrollee bar on your computer somewhere The petcock on mine looks like it broke flush with the petcock... What do ya think?... I think yours is busted. Send me your address in email and I'll send you Tundra's petcock... -Mike "when I get back from Texas..."
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MacDragon
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2011, 07:39:09 AM » |
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After I bought my 2000 Interstate, I discovered mine was like that also. I think it happened when the previous owner had the carbs cleaned. I ordered a new stock petcock assembly, installed it, put it all back together, and it works like brand new. When done, just dont try to force it either way. There are only 3 positions - on, off, reserve.
Ya... the previous owner here was my late brother Mac. It was broken when I inherited the bike. Don't know if I can save the selector and just get another petcock... I'll have to examine it more closely when I get home from work today... I was in a big hurry when I removed it this morning while getting ready for work. am i the only one here that wrenches IN A FULL SUIT AND TIE...    |
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2011, 07:49:32 AM » |
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The microfisch blow up there is cut off at the right lower corner so I can't see what might be #7 . There must be a scrollee bar on your computer somewhere The petcock on mine looks like it broke flush with the petcock... What do ya think?... I think yours is busted. Send me your address in email and I'll send you Tundra's petcock... -Mike "when I get back from Texas..." Thank you so much Hubcap... I e-mailed you my info. Thanx for your help. |
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2011, 08:20:22 AM » |
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Thank you so much Mike... It was in my mailbox when I got home last night. looks to be in good shape and a vast improvement from what I have. Next day off is next Friday so, unfortunately, won't be switching them out until then. You're a stand-up guy.  Saved me some bucks. Will let you know how it comes out. |
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2011, 08:27:56 AM » |
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Thank you so much Mike... It was in my mailbox when I got home last night. looks to be in good shape and a vast improvement from what I have. Next day off is next Friday so, unfortunately, won't be switching them out until then. You're a stand-up guy. Saved me some bucks. Will let you know how it comes out. Tundra's the stand-up guy who donated it in the first place... I vacuum tested it right before I put it in the box, it seems to work fine, remember that the big diaphragm in it came from a pile of used parts... -Mike |
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2011, 11:26:16 AM » |
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Thank you so much Mike... It was in my mailbox when I got home last night. looks to be in good shape and a vast improvement from what I have. Next day off is next Friday so, unfortunately, won't be switching them out until then. You're a stand-up guy. Saved me some bucks. Will let you know how it comes out. Tundra's the stand-up guy who donated it in the first place... I vacuum tested it right before I put it in the box, it seems to work fine, remember that the big diaphragm in it came from a pile of used parts... -Mike Thank you also Tundra... you're both tops on my list...  |
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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2011, 03:03:55 AM » |
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I hope it breathes new life into another Dragon |
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2011, 03:42:56 AM » |
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After you have the tank back on, leave the fuel line off till you have the selector hooked up, put vacuum on the diaphragm with the selector in te off position. If it flows fuel you may have to reposition the petcock to remove side load from the selector. Side load holds the ball off its seat and stops the manual part of the valve from sealing.
Next let the vacuum off and then turn the valve to on, there should be no flow. If there is flow you either have a diaphragm not seating or the bleed orifice is blocked and holding the diaphragm off it's seat.
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