Any CrimsonTrace fans??

[bassman]

$50  Rebate now till the end of June.....

http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/RebateCentral/tabid/599/Default.aspx

[Gear Jammer]

May have to budget some money for one of those soon. thanks 

[PAVALKER]

I just had an email conversation with a Crimson Trace Dealer on GunBroker.com and his prices appear to be really good already.  I asked him if he provides a valid dated receipt to use for the current rebate program (and provided him a link to it) and he said he is a dealer, provides receipts and will even include the rebate (form I assume) in the order.

Here is his listing for those Gun Nuts interested.   http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SellerAuctions.aspx?User=83146

[Sludge]

Ive got a love hate relationship with these things.  I own one on a J frame S&W 638.  Works great.  There is a reason I put it on that gun though.  I am a proficient 1911, XD, Glock shooter.  The grip angle on those guns is what I have trained myself to for the past 15 or 20 years.  My point is developed for that gun.  Not so for the J Frame Smith.  So, I put the CT laser on it.   I had a friend with a laser and he wanted to race me on some IDPA targets with his CT and me with my iron sights.  I ran over him with the iron sights under daylight conditions.  He was spending so much time hunting that little red dot that he just couldnt run the gun well.  In twilight, its a different story, your eye picks up the dot instantly.

My point being, that a proficient shooter with a developed point for a certain handgun IMHO doesnt need a CT.  Its actually a bit of a hindrance I think esp in daylight conditions and perhaps even at night to a lesser degree.  Not to say there isnt a time and place for it, but I think prospective buyers should consider the bad attributes to the laser under certain conditions.  I personally think the time with the gun is the most important part.  In a stress situation I want my attention on the threat, not on finding my dot.

My 2 cents... YMMV

[Bobbo]

Ive got a love hate relationship with these things.  I own one on a J frame S&W 638.  Works great.  There is a reason I put it on that gun though.  I am a proficient 1911, XD, Glock shooter.  The grip angle on those guns is what I have trained myself to for the past 15 or 20 years.  My point is developed for that gun.  Not so for the J Frame Smith.  So, I put the CT laser on it.   I had a friend with a laser and he wanted to race me on some IDPA targets with his CT and me with my iron sights.  I ran over him with the iron sights under daylight conditions.  He was spending so much time hunting that little red dot that he just couldnt run the gun well.  In twilight, its a different story, your eye picks up the dot instantly.

My point being, that a proficient shooter with a developed point for a certain handgun IMHO doesnt need a CT.  Its actually a bit of a hindrance I think esp in daylight conditions and perhaps even at night to a lesser degree.  Not to say there isnt a time and place for it, but I think prospective buyers should consider the bad attributes to the laser under certain conditions.  I personally think the time with the gun is the most important part.  In a stress situation I want my attention on the threat, not on finding my dot.

My 2 cents... YMMV

+1

[Jess from VA]

Sludge, that is an excellent observation.  I also think us oldschoolers are always a little reluctant to chase newer bells and whistles.  I've never had a laser (other than my pointer pen for the night time dog-poop-in-my-yard folks).  If I did, it would be the the J frame..... but mine is an oddball square butt J frame, and last I looked, no one makes a grip laser for them. 

I have considered that a laser option inside my dark house might make someone decide they picked the wrong house (and run), before I had to double tap anyone.  Though giving away your position is not the best decision.

[PAVALKER]

I agree for the most part... however, there are times that a laser could prove very useful; poor lighting conditions, in awkward positions, and I think for dry fire training as well, among some others.  I have a laser on my PF9 (small carry) and think it could be useful in certain conditions/situations.  I agree time with the gun should be the primary focus .... but a little helpful edge couldn't hurt in a pinch.

 

Ive got a love hate relationship with these things.  I own one on a J frame S&W 638.  Works great.  There is a reason I put it on that gun though.  I am a proficient 1911, XD, Glock shooter.  The grip angle on those guns is what I have trained myself to for the past 15 or 20 years.  My point is developed for that gun.  Not so for the J Frame Smith.  So, I put the CT laser on it.   I had a friend with a laser and he wanted to race me on some IDPA targets with his CT and me with my iron sights.  I ran over him with the iron sights under daylight conditions.  He was spending so much time hunting that little red dot that he just couldnt run the gun well.  In twilight, its a different story, your eye picks up the dot instantly.

My point being, that a proficient shooter with a developed point for a certain handgun IMHO doesnt need a CT.  Its actually a bit of a hindrance I think esp in daylight conditions and perhaps even at night to a lesser degree.  Not to say there isnt a time and place for it, but I think prospective buyers should consider the bad attributes to the laser under certain conditions.  I personally think the time with the gun is the most important part.  In a stress situation I want my attention on the threat, not on finding my dot.

My 2 cents... YMMV

[Sludge]

The laser works really well in conjunction with a video camera to show a shooter their flinch.  The laser doesnt lie.  The camera is often overlooked, but one of the most useful tools to a shooter out there IMHO.  It allows the shooter to see all of their bad habits in slow motion.

[Ratdog]

Whoa be to the bottom feeder that faces the business end of my Govt. model with plain ol' iron sights.  I've got thousands of rounds through that bad boy and when I do my part, it's game over.  It's smooth, accurate, and stout. 

I opted for the Ultra Crimson Carry II (Kimber, "Officer's" sized) as my conceal carry piece.  It's not the "joy to shoot" that the Govt. Model is (25oz), and wanted the laser for low-light conditions.  It's a different tool for different needs. 

[mojo]

Ridin around on those old rear end clunkin beasts and playin with fararms and lasers and such.. Not for me 

I'm with the Dawg in Seattle/Alaska on this one. Nuttin like a 240 gr. cast wheel weight at 800 fps two at a time out an old 1911. 

Hi Bassman

[bassman]

Hi ya Mojo....wad up?   Gunna see you at INZ??

[JimC]

Mark, you sound like a laser salesman, I have to admit that I am old school, but you did bring up many good points about the laser.
Jim