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« on: May 02, 2011, 06:24:46 PM » |
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Sure wish this dragon had a sixth gear for highway cruising. Has anyone heard of it?
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 06:53:14 PM » |
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Higher gears were made and a few guys installed them. They all took them back out as they were too high a ratio. At 70 MPH you should see ~3,000 RPM's. This is where the optimum torque range is for cruising.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 07:46:01 AM » |
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You could go Darkside and install a 205/60/16 which is a taller tire and will knock down the rpm's maybe by 300 rpm's at highway speed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:03:15 AM » |
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"Most" 205/60/16 car tires are about the same height as a stock (180/70/16) Valk rear tire. I run a Nexen 205/60/16 car tire on two Valks and the height difference is about nil. To get a height increase with a car tire, you'll likely need to go to a 205/65/16 car tire. Sometimes there's a fit (rubbing) problem with this tire. Some have solved that problem with nut cage mod coupled with a fairly easy fender mod. For my preference... car tire is the way to go. However, to each his own.  |
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 02:23:43 PM » |
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That's right. I was wrong again.
I don't understand what's with me, but BOZ is correct.
It's the 205/65/16 that is larger than the stock tire.
I have done the nut cage removal.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 03:37:37 PM » |
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Plus, the Valk flat 6 is designed to run at higher RPMs than your avg V-twinkie, all day long.
Fifth is actually an overdrive of sorts...... not that all of us haven't fished for a higher gear from time to time.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 04:24:24 PM » |
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4th and 5th gears from a 97 and newer GL1500 are more of an OD gear than the valkyrie and will work with the valkyrie cams and carbs. the aftermarket gears mentioned were too much OD for the power band of the OEM carbs and cams. I have posted the ratios before. this subject has been adressed many times. search is your friend.  |
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Brian
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 04:50:47 PM » |
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Thanks for the responses. It just that this memory getting weaker when running up thru the gears and hearing the RPM's it makes go for one more shift.
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f6john
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 06:29:04 PM » |
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4th and 5th gears from a 97 and newer GL1500 are more of an OD gear than the valkyrie and will work with the valkyrie cams and carbs. the aftermarket gears mentioned were too much OD for the power band of the OEM carbs and cams. I have posted the ratios before. this subject has been adressed many times. search is your friend. I stand to be corrected, but I do not believe the Goldwing gears will work in the Valkyrie. The Valkyrie has straight cut transmission gears and the Goldwing has helical cut gears which will not mesh with the Valkyrie transmission. Our straight cut gears are stronger but at the cost of a little more gear whine. If the two transmissions were the same their would have been no need for the expense of the Mario gearsets being developed. The cost, about $1k, was what kept me from buying the Mario gearsets, that and having to split the cases of the block to install them. If ANYONE has changed over any or all of there transmission to Goldwing gears I have not seen or heard of it but would be very interested in finding out more about the swap. |
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 06:31:30 PM » |
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I'm always lifting on the gear shift to make sure I'm in high gear. I run my rpms pretty high just to stay in the fast lane.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 03:36:48 PM » |
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I'm always lifting on the gear shift to make sure I'm in high gear. I run my rpms pretty high just to stay in the fast lane.
Thanks Mildew for owning up to what I have done too many times. It's good to see that I am not the only one out there. Each time I do it this little voice inside my head calls me an idiot. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 10:21:55 AM » |
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Well you can be sure there are a lot of fellow "idiots" riding around. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 10:29:47 AM » |
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4th and 5th gears from a 97 and newer GL1500 are more of an OD gear than the valkyrie and will work with the valkyrie cams and carbs. the aftermarket gears mentioned were too much OD for the power band of the OEM carbs and cams. I have posted the ratios before. this subject has been adressed many times. search is your friend. I stand to be corrected, but I do not believe the Goldwing gears will work in the Valkyrie. The Valkyrie has straight cut transmission gears and the Goldwing has helical cut gears which will not mesh with the Valkyrie transmission. Our straight cut gears are stronger but at the cost of a little more gear whine. If the two transmissions were the same their would have been no need for the expense of the Mario gearsets being developed. The cost, about $1k, was what kept me from buying the Mario gearsets, that and having to split the cases of the block to install them. If ANYONE has changed over any or all of there transmission to Goldwing gears I have not seen or heard of it but would be very interested in finding out more about the swap. Goldwing gears have always been straight cut. Don't know about the GL1800. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum1/101096.html'97 and up GW trans shafts are the same as the valkyires'. Honda upgraded the GW to Valkyrie engine/trans specs in a few areas and this is one of them. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2011, 10:56:01 AM » |
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Well you can be sure there are a lot of fellow "idiots" riding around. Count me as in that group! |
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f6john
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2011, 07:17:55 PM » |
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4th and 5th gears from a 97 and newer GL1500 are more of an OD gear than the valkyrie and will work with the valkyrie cams and carbs. the aftermarket gears mentioned were too much OD for the power band of the OEM carbs and cams. I have posted the ratios before. this subject has been adressed many times. search is your friend. I stand to be corrected, but I do not believe the Goldwing gears will work in the Valkyrie. The Valkyrie has straight cut transmission gears and the Goldwing has helical cut gears which will not mesh with the Valkyrie transmission. Our straight cut gears are stronger but at the cost of a little more gear whine. If the two transmissions were the same their would have been no need for the expense of the Mario gearsets being developed. The cost, about $1k, was what kept me from buying the Mario gearsets, that and having to split the cases of the block to install them. If ANYONE has changed over any or all of there transmission to Goldwing gears I have not seen or heard of it but would be very interested in finding out more about the swap. Goldwing gears have always been straight cut. Don't know about the GL1800. http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum1/101096.html'97 and up GW trans shafts are the same as the valkyires'. Honda upgraded the GW to Valkyrie engine/trans specs in a few areas and this is one of them. I stand corrected! Do you know of anyone who has tried a 4/5 gear swap with a GW? I would like to hear more on this. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2011, 05:04:13 AM » |
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I stand corrected! Do you know of anyone who has tried a 4/5 gear swap with a GW? I would like to hear more on this. [/quote] I don't know of any. If anybody knows these guys will http://www.jbjcycles.com/However it will be very expensive, pulling the engine and splitting the cases and the cost of the new gears. A lower cost route would be to buy a low mileage 97 and up GL1500 short block engine, swap your heads and intake/carbs and then sell your short block valkyrie engine. That would be my best guess. coverting to the GW ignition system would also help MPG as it has a vacuum advance feature. see my post on this from last month. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2011, 04:33:17 AM » |
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from the June '05 issue of motorcycle consumer news, by Fred Rau. He was the editor of Wing World magazine in '87, the news letter of the largest Gold Wing organization, the Gold Wing Road Riders Association (GWRRA), and now contributes to MCN.
"in '97 the GW recieved a fairly major upgrade that was, oddly enough not heralded by Honda. Honda quietly lifted the Valkyrie's main bearings, pistons, piston rings, con-rod bolts and valve springs into the '97 Wing, along with the smoother-shifting Valkyrie gearbox and the entire final drive unit. In addition, the clutch was strengthened, also."
Also from the article, 1) '88 through '94, 4th and 5th gear wear out at around 100k miles, gears were upgraded in '95 and newer. Also, shift forks wear out from riders resting their toe on the shift lever while riding. their experts warned that the use of heel-toe shifters is also responsible for shift fork damage, as your heal puts much more force on the shifter than your toe would. 2) speedo cable should be lubed every front tire change other wise they break at 100k miles. 3) final drive splines, maintenance should be done IAW honda service bulletin 97991-MAH-305.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2011, 06:32:26 PM » |
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from the June '05 issue of motorcycle consumer news, by Fred Rau. He was the editor of Wing World magazine in '87, the news letter of the largest Gold Wing organization, the Gold Wing Road Riders Association (GWRRA), and now contributes to MCN.
"in '97 the GW recieved a fairly major upgrade that was, oddly enough not heralded by Honda. Honda quietly lifted the Valkyrie's main bearings, pistons, piston rings, con-rod bolts and valve springs into the '97 Wing, along with the smoother-shifting Valkyrie gearbox and the entire final drive unit. In addition, the clutch was strengthened, also."
Also from the article, 1) '88 through '94, 4th and 5th gear wear out at around 100k miles, gears were upgraded in '95 and newer. Also, shift forks wear out from riders resting their toe on the shift lever while riding. their experts warned that the use of heel-toe shifters is also responsible for shift fork damage, as your heal puts much more force on the shifter than your toe would. 2) speedo cable should be lubed every front tire change other wise they break at 100k miles. 3) final drive splines, maintenance should be done IAW honda service bulletin 97991-MAH-305.
Given the way the article is quoted it would seem to the casual observer that the 97 up would have the sames gears and ratios as the Valkyrie, it would also seem that the drive shaft and universal joint would be identical and you should be able to swap final drives too. This would all be news to me. |
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2011, 06:57:30 PM » |
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GW driveshaft is a little longer and will bind. Final drive bolt pattern is different, one stud is off center.  |
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