gas dripping

[vrcc2838]

I have a 98 standard, and I"ve noticed gas dripping , what looks like out of the bottom of the gas shut off.  can't have this at $4.19 a gallon. Whats the problem ???, Whats the solution, ????


Thanks, VRCC  #2838

[X Ring]

Your diaphragm may have a hole in it in which your choices are buy a rebuild kit or completely replace the petcock.  With a rebuild kit or a new stock petcock you have the possibility of it happening again.  When my petcock failed I replaced it with a Pingel manual petcock. 

Marty

[Thunderbolt]

petcock repair kit 16953-MV9-000 or change to manual.  A lot of folks like the Pingel, sorry I don't have part # for that.

[X Ring]

I do.  When my petcock fell apart, I replaced it with a Pingel, 1311-CH.  Got it from Eastern Perfomance,  http://www.easternperformance.com/products.php?product=Pingel-Hex-Chrome-90-Degree-Forward-Petcock-for-Harley.  $89.95 with free shipping.

Marty

[Farther]

You still have to shut a Pingel off to prevent hydrolock.  I just have not drank the Pingel kool-Aide I guess.  Get your self a petcock rebuild kit (also called a cover set I believe), change your vacuum hoses while your in there and be done with it.

[X Ring]

You still have to shut a Pingel off to prevent hydrolock.  I just have not drank the Pingel kool-Aide I guess. 

Yes you do have to shut off a Pingel just like you have to on any manual petcock.  I wouldn't say I have drunk the Pingel kool-ade.  I had the stock petcock fall apart.  The ledge that held the retaining snap ring for the the mounting nut shear.  When I looked at it, I could tell the stock petcock was made of pot metal.  That was enough for me to lose faith in the Honda design so I replaced it with a Pingel for $30-40 less than a new Honda petcock.

Marty

[roboto65]

Not to rain on your parade but half of the parts on our Dragons are pot metal well maybe not half but close.  

[water boy]

Thunderbolt, Who's part # is that for the petcock repair kit and do you know what parts are included ?  Thanks, W.B.

[Thunderbolt]

Honda part no.  Cover set.  Here is the new part no.  16953-MBZ-B51  Sorry, the one I posted is the old one as is the one in the pic. You get what is in the top part of the picture.                                               

[Valkahuna]

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure!
 ???

You still have to shut a Pingel off to prevent hydrolock.  I just have not drank the Pingel kool-Aide I guess. 

Yes you do have to shut off a Pingel just like you have to on any manual petcock.  I wouldn't say I have drunk the Pingel kool-ade.  I had the stock petcock fall apart.  The ledge that held the retaining snap ring for the the mounting nut shear.  When I looked at it, I could tell the stock petcock was made of pot metal.  That was enough for me to lose faith in the Honda design so I replaced it with a Pingel for $30-40 less than a new Honda petcock.

Marty

[X Ring]

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure!
 ???

You still have to shut a Pingel off to prevent hydrolock.  I just have not drank the Pingel kool-Aide I guess. 

Yes you do have to shut off a Pingel just like you have to on any manual petcock.  I wouldn't say I have drunk the Pingel kool-ade.  I had the stock petcock fall apart.  The ledge that held the retaining snap ring for the the mounting nut shear.  When I looked at it, I could tell the stock petcock was made of pot metal.  That was enough for me to lose faith in the Honda design so I replaced it with a Pingel for $30-40 less than a new Honda petcock.

Marty

Thanks for twisting my words.  I said I lost faith in the Honda designed petcock because of the failure it had and it was made of pot metal.  Nothing more.  I never saw the need to have a vacuum operated design when a manual would be simpler and more foolproof.  

Marty

[roboto65]

I think the petcock on the Valk gets a bad rap just like the U Joint of which 75 percent of the people polled on another thread on this forum said they have never replaced the U Joint and only 15 percent have had one go bad or changed it because they thought it was going bad..

The plain and simple fact is that nothing will stop the dreaded H word except turning off the valve and alot of things need to happen for the H word also not just the dreaded petcock.

I want to see the Pingle guys in 10 to 15 years and see how many of them need repair or replacing.

Oh and for the guys that repaired theirs and it failed shortly after that we might chalk that up to NOS how long ago did they make that kit how long has it been sitting.

Ok Ok stepping off the box 


Aside from all my ranting they will not get my Valk till they pry it from my cold dead hands...

[Farther]

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure! ???

Talk about misconceptions!!  How did you arrive at the conclusion that Marty or I had that opinion of Honda engineers?

[fudgie]

I want to see the Pingle guys in 10 to 15 years and see how many of them need repair or replacing.

10-15 yrs is all I ask. Some replace the oem x3 in less then that already. 

[Valk_ca]

I want to see the Pingle guys in 10 to 15 years and see how many of them need repair or replacing.

Must be a sign of aging but I changed over to the Pingle for one reason only: SIMPLICITY.
Growing up around the farm taught me that mechanical mechanisms outperform/outlast electrically or vacuum driven systems 99% of the time.  The simpler the system the less possibility of a breakdown. It may mean more inconvenience or a higher degree of attentiveness is required but the mechanical system is generally more reliable. The Pingle requires only a simple mechanical lever to turn the fuel on and off. Not much to breakdown. Good enough for me. If there's a breakdown I know where it will be - between my ears!
I understand what the Honda engineers were trying to accomplish by developing the OEM system but in this instance I don't need that kind of babysitting. Would have been happier if they had invested the effort in self-adjusting valves.

[Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008]

I converted my stock petcock  to a manual one over three years ago and have never looked back. Any manual valve is just that you have to remember to turn it off. The valk will let you know if you forget to turn it on. I've always intended to install an electric valve but just haven't got arround to it. I've also turned the fuel off on any bikes I've owned so it hasn't been a problem for me.

[rodeo1]

so, what kind of oil do you use ?

[Valk_ca]

so, what kind of oil do you use ?

Baby. 

[Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008]

Trying to start something here? EVOO if you have to know.

[Valkahuna]

Sorry, I've been off the board for a while and did not respond to your comment. My comments were not directly aimed at you both. However, your comments did lead me to think about all of the so called "improvements" made by many of the guys. 

I've been a mechanic, an engineer, and a biker for well over 40 years. My philosophy has always been that if it aint broke, I won't fix it. I fastiduously maintain everything I own as per the manufacturers recommendations, and when parts wear out, I replace them with what they were designed to have. This has served me well, and my stuff lasts for a long time, breaks very seldom, and works like designed. 

JMHO, but I think that a lot of the "issues" that some have with their Valks are self created.

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure! ???

Talk about misconceptions!!  How did you arrive at the conclusion that Marty or I had that opinion of Honda engineers?

[Mr Steve]

You have to turn the pingle off every time and if you forget you still risk the dreaded H (unless you add electronic fuel shutoff...and if you do, why bother with a petcock at all).  So just turn off the stock if you are worried about the vacuum seal failing at the same time the correct needle valve sticks.  I don't see the benefit of switching, off/on, they both do it.  Fuel shutoff for those times you forget to shut it off?  The stock petcock already does that when properly functioning.  Just make the petcock a regular maintenance item to at least check for vacuum leak, shut off the petcock for long stops, run techron or seafoam regularly, and don't be worried about it.

[valkyriemc]

In case you forget to turn it off.

http://www.chrome-addiction.com/g-pingel-vacuum-fuel-valves-50542.php

[X Ring]

Sorry, I've been off the board for a while and did not respond to your comment. My comments were not directly aimed at you both. However, your comments did lead me to think about all of the so called "improvements" made by many of the guys. 

I've been a mechanic, an engineer, and a biker for well over 40 years. My philosophy has always been that if it aint broke, I won't fix it. I fastiduously maintain everything I own as per the manufacturers recommendations, and when parts wear out, I replace them with what they were designed to have. This has served me well, and my stuff lasts for a long time, breaks very seldom, and works like designed. 

JMHO, but I think that a lot of the "issues" that some have with their Valks are self created.

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure! ???

Talk about misconceptions!!  How did you arrive at the conclusion that Marty or I had that opinion of Honda engineers?

For your knowledge, here's a pic of my petcock that fell apart.  There's supposed to a lip on the top of the petcock body that a snap ring goes under to secure the mounting nut. 
 


Marty

[Brian]

Sorry, I've been off the board for a while and did not respond to your comment. My comments were not directly aimed at you both. However, your comments did lead me to think about all of the so called "improvements" made by many of the guys. 

I've been a mechanic, an engineer, and a biker for well over 40 years. My philosophy has always been that if it aint broke, I won't fix it. I fastiduously maintain everything I own as per the manufacturers recommendations, and when parts wear out, I replace them with what they were designed to have. This has served me well, and my stuff lasts for a long time, breaks very seldom, and works like designed. 

JMHO, but I think that a lot of the "issues" that some have with their Valks are self created.

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure! ???

Talk about misconceptions!!  How did you arrive at the conclusion that Marty or I had that opinion of Honda engineers?

For your knowledge, here's a pic of my petcock that fell apart.  There's supposed to a lip on the top of the petcock body that a snap ring goes under to secure the mounting nut. 
 


Marty

X Ring, were you out riding when the blasted thing let go? Kinda brings a whole meaning to the dragon breathing fire and roasting nuts. WOW.

[X Ring]

Luckily, Thank God, no.  I took the tank off for maintenance and noticed the petcock was loose.  Put a wrench on the nut and the petcock fell off.    

Marty

[Brian]

Luckily, Thank God, no.  I took the tank off for maintenance and noticed the petcock was loose.  Put a wrench on the nut and the petcock fell off.    

Marty

You sure were lucky. All kind of nightmare thoughts ran thru my head when I saw your valve. I am surprised there was no gas leak to warn you.

[Valkahuna]

Thanks for the further explanation. I'm amazed you only had a drip and not a geyser! Lucky! Someone was looking out for you.

Sorry, I've been off the board for a while and did not respond to your comment. My comments were not directly aimed at you both. However, your comments did lead me to think about all of the so called "improvements" made by many of the guys. 

I've been a mechanic, an engineer, and a biker for well over 40 years. My philosophy has always been that if it aint broke, I won't fix it. I fastiduously maintain everything I own as per the manufacturers recommendations, and when parts wear out, I replace them with what they were designed to have. This has served me well, and my stuff lasts for a long time, breaks very seldom, and works like designed. 

JMHO, but I think that a lot of the "issues" that some have with their Valks are self created.

Wow, if that is what makes you lose faith, you will need to sell your Valk, and most likely all of your other vehicles as well. Hey, I'm just sayin', but I swear lots of you guys think that the engineers at Honda are idiots. That is a bad misconception to be sure! ???

Talk about misconceptions!!  How did you arrive at the conclusion that Marty or I had that opinion of Honda engineers?

For your knowledge, here's a pic of my petcock that fell apart.  There's supposed to a lip on the top of the petcock body that a snap ring goes under to secure the mounting nut. 
 


Marty

X Ring, were you out riding when the blasted thing let go? Kinda brings a whole meaning to the dragon breathing fire and roasting nuts. WOW.

[X Ring]

I had installed a belly tank several months earlier and was going nuts trying to find the fuel leak cause the transfer hose was constantly wet and was soft and coming apart.  I had new lines to replace all the lines associated with the belly tank.  God only knows how long it would have been before it would have fallen apart.  I agree.  I was extremely lucky.  Someone was looking out for me.   

Marty