car tire hurts sale?

[hubcapsc]

There's a pretty nice looking black Valkyrie on eBay, 40K, same guy has had it
for 10 years, some good chrome parts, item #130516051079, 5K...

The auction will be over in an hour, no takers, not a single bid, seems like
the kind of bike that would sell...

Maybe they're on there all the time, I probably don't look close since I'm not in
the market, but this bike has a proudly displayed car tire in one of the many
pictures.

We know (well, some of us grudgingly admit  ) that car tires work, and
they don't get you in trouble with the insurance guy.. I wonder if they hinder
re-sale?

-Mike

[BF]

The car tire might have had an effect, but in this case, I doubt it.  In this case, I'd bet that all of his personal touches have had more of an effect on his resale than the rear tire choice.  

Not everyone wants or likes the previous owner's little touches when buying a bike.  Naming your bike and painting it's name on the side covers along with painted dragons on the tank might not be everyone's cup of tea and could be a big turn-off when buying a bike.  

Potintial buyers are probably thinkin' re-paints ain't cheap.....and they'd be right.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=130516051079&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D130516051079%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=

[Jeff K]

Yeah, there is an I/S around here for sale too. Been for sale for a while. The price is good but I think his "black out" has cost him resale value.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/2308352851.html

[..]

The car tire might have had an effect, but in this case, I doubt it.  In this case, I'd bet that all of his personal touches have had more of an effect on his resale than the rear tire choice.  

Not everyone wants or likes the previous owner's little touches when buying a bike.  Naming your bike and painting it's name on the side covers along with painted dragons on the tank might not be everyone's cup of tea and could be a big turn-off when buying a bike.  

Potintial buyers are probably thinkin' re-paints ain't cheap.....and they'd be right.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=130516051079&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D130516051079%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=

Florida bike = salt = corrosion????

[tank_post142]

tail pipes two different lengths?

[BF]

"Florida bike = salt = corrosion?"


Not really.  Not unless it's spent most of it's life parked less than a block from the Gulf or the Atlantic and they never washed it. 

[DFragn]

tail pipes two different lengths?

Looks more like uneven exhaust heights than lengths, hard to tell...

Many, many years ago I sold Honda's and worked the parts department in between career paths.

Can't tell how many trades, there were many, with anything other than OEM paint and/or schemes, which drew a low trade value as they would just sit there on the floor all season.
For instance, my personal tastes & paint modes aren't going to be liked by many others.

Acrylic "Motorcycle Art" is removable with Original Easy-Off oven cleaner.

In fact, I had $700.00 worth of "Art" on my bike. I stripped it off. All that remains are the American Flag Feathers on either side off the trunk key hole.

Here's [not mine] an example of what hurts resale.
http://www.scarecrowart.com/images/Valkyrie/VALgrsbtrkscr.jpg

AND, yes, a car tire would be changed out by a dealer if taken in trade for resale.
If ya ever want to sell your Valk! Get rid of any "Rally" paint and replace the car tire. You'll get a better buck and a quick sale.

[Chattanooga Mark]

Yup, personalizing your bike is just that. Few others will share your style enough to be separated from their money for it. Car tire, pinstripes, decals, etc and many non oem parts are a big turn off for me.  Most new owners prefer their own style over the sellers.

Mark

[iliveforcurves]

What Chicago Mark said.  I was lucky to find my Standard without ANY customization at all.  The only addition I would like is a luggage rack.

[X Ring]

I can agree about buying a customized bike.  In Sept '06 I bought an 1100 Shadow ACE Tourer.  The previous owner had added about 95% of the accessories I would have.  The bike never felt like mine.  9 months later I bought Sandman and haven't looked back.

Marty

[DFragn]

I can agree about buying a customized bike.  In Sept '06 I bought an 1100 Shadow ACE Tourer.  The previous owner had added about 95% of the accessories I would have.  The bike never felt like mine.  9 months later I bought Sandman and haven't looked back.

Marty

I would of stripped the goodies and slowly reinstalled them over time to help me feel like they were mine. 

[BigAl]

Stock as a Clock with lots of add on features like chrome, racks, and other wanted doodads do move one better.

Change the color, people think it has been wrecked, put your name on it, and Indain Chiefs Head or some other personalization.

Resale will go down.

But then again maybe not.

Car Tire will probably not make a diff., but who knows.

[Red Diamond]

Just from a personal standpoint, when I searched for my Tourer, I was looking for a stock Valkyrie. Any stock color would do, no custom painting, pinstripping, graphic art, car tires, 6-into-6 exhaust or anything to change the stock configuration. Just my choices for bikes.

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Stock as a Clock with lots of add on features like chrome, racks, and other wanted doodads do move one better.

Change the color, people think it has been wrecked, put your name on it, and Indain Chiefs Head or some other personalization.

Resale will go down.

But then again maybe not.

Car Tire will probably not make a diff., but who knows.

Ditto this. Mine sold WITH the car tire. Offered to change it back if new owner desired but he said he wants to leave it on. 

[FLAVALK]

I'm somewhat familiar with that bike and it's owner, Bruce. The bike is, or was, in great shape last time I saw it and Bruce was very proud of it and loved to show it off. Those pipes sound great

[X Ring]

I can agree about buying a customized bike.  In Sept '06 I bought an 1100 Shadow ACE Tourer.  The previous owner had added about 95% of the accessories I would have.  The bike never felt like mine.  9 months later I bought Sandman and haven't looked back.

Marty

I would of stripped the goodies and slowly reinstalled them over time to help me feel like they were mine. 

Unless I replaced them with stuff I bought, it would still be his bike.  Besides within 6 months I was jonesing for a new bike.  The ACE T was an alright bike.  Just wasn't for me.  I liked my 750 better.

Marty

[Rocheux]

I read in Motorcycle Consumer News (some months ago) monthly column by their monthly guest writer lawyer that using a car tire on a motorcycle is "prima facie negligence," if I recall accurately. He went on to say that if the insurance company finds you modified the bike and did not report it, they can immediately cancel the policy and refund your premium, leaving you cold and naked in the snow (read "screwed big time"). THIS AFTER AN ACCIDENT.

Also, in the eyes of the court, if there's an accident and it's not your fault, maybe the COURT will blame it on your modification, judging it to be a "dangerous modification." Want to appeal that?

The lawyer columnist said that, and we all know, if an insurance company can find a legitimate reason to avoid paying a claim they are darned sure going to do it.

That said, if you DO notify the ins. co. that you modified ur bike (car tire IS a modification from factory spec) they may jack up your premium or cancel your policy.

I watched a guy with a car tire on a valk, and every time he'd leave the flat part of the tire and ride up on his "non-treaded sidewall," the bike'd do a bit of a jump as it popped off the tread and onto the sidewall.

When I was a kid in the 1940s, all motorcycle tires were flat on the bottom like car tires, because tire mfrs didn't know any better. I had some original Goodyear Eagles on my 46 Indian when I bought it -even the Yokohama retro tires were like that. It didn't take long for me to get rid of the new retros for a set of tires with treads on the sidewalls so I didn't "flip out" or "flip in" every time I leaned so far over as to jump onto the sidewall. If you want to ride on non-treaded sidewalls and take chances with your insurance or an unstable bike, let me (us) know how it goes. Especially if you run afoul of your insurance company or the courts. Be interested to hear. ROCKY IN ARIZONA

[tank_post142]

334,000 miles and no problems! that would be 7 CTs for you who predict fire and death 

[bscrive]

Up here in Ontario, my insurance company which is Primmum Ins will not insure you if you have a car tire on the bike.  They consider it a unacceptable modification to the bike.  That dashed my idea of going to the dark side.

[Jabba]

hrm... I told my insurance co about it and they said... "Yeah, whatever.  No problem man."

I read in Motorcycle Consumer News (some months ago) monthly column by their monthly guest writer lawyer that using a car tire on a motorcycle is "prima facie negligence," if I recall accurately. He went on to say that if the insurance company finds you modified the bike and did not report it, they can immediately cancel the policy and refund your premium, leaving you cold and naked in the snow (read "screwed big time"). THIS AFTER AN ACCIDENT.

Also, in the eyes of the court, if there's an accident and it's not your fault, maybe the COURT will blame it on your modification, judging it to be a "dangerous modification." Want to appeal that?

The lawyer columnist said that, and we all know, if an insurance company can find a legitimate reason to avoid paying a claim they are darned sure going to do it.

That said, if you DO notify the ins. co. that you modified ur bike (car tire IS a modification from factory spec) they may jack up your premium or cancel your policy.

I watched a guy with a car tire on a valk, and every time he'd leave the flat part of the tire and ride up on his "non-treaded sidewall," the bike'd do a bit of a jump as it popped off the tread and onto the sidewall.

When I was a kid in the 1940s, all motorcycle tires were flat on the bottom like car tires, because tire mfrs didn't know any better. I had some original Goodyear Eagles on my 46 Indian when I bought it -even the Yokohama retro tires were like that. It didn't take long for me to get rid of the new retros for a set of tires with treads on the sidewalls so I didn't "flip out" or "flip in" every time I leaned so far over as to jump onto the sidewall. If you want to ride on non-treaded sidewalls and take chances with your insurance or an unstable bike, let me (us) know how it goes. Especially if you run afoul of your insurance company or the courts. Be interested to hear. ROCKY IN ARIZONA

Rocheux... you got about 40 hours worth of reading on THIS site alone to do before you can chime in on this and expect to be heard.  There are literally MILLIONS of miles on Non-Motorcycle Specific Tires on Valks on this board.  That you're talking outta your ass here is OBVIOUS to all of us that have actually ridden on them.

Jabba

[X Ring]

After that he can start on the McDarksiders.com and the Delphi forum Riding the Dark Side where he'll discover m/cs from just about every brand with D/S tires.  Everything from Wings to Stars, Kawasakis, Suzukis and even Harleys.

Marty

[Tundra]

I'd have to guess no...
My thoughts, many folks looking for a Valkyrie know what they are looking for. Many looking to get into one for the second or third time. First timers probably know about them from a friend or have done research/do diligence. That being said, they may also be aware of the large percentage of the Valkyrie community raving about the C/T? If it was a deal breaker and I really needed the sale, I would offer to change it, It's all in the negotiation.
  It also may be part of the "attraction" for first timers?  (Big engine/big tire )
Many of the C/T guys could B/S any rookie into believing how great they are

As for "Florida bike = salt = corrosion?"  I'd have to say that would all depend on the love and care from the owner. The Forida Valkyrie club has some of the prettiest and cleanest RIDDEN Valkyries around

[hubcapsc]

Rocheux... you got about 40 hours worth of reading on THIS site alone to do before you can chime in on this and expect to be heard.  There are literally MILLIONS of miles on Non-Motorcycle Specific Tires on Valks on this board.  That you're talking outta your ass here is OBVIOUS to all of us that have actually ridden on them.
Jabba

Give it up Jabba... Rocheux is right about car tires on motorcycle... check out the shadow under this poor sap closely: he's already on fire
a little bit...



-Mike 

[X Ring]

That Joe.  Always willing to help the gremlins find their way to the road safely.  See how he leans the bike till the bell is almost touching the asphalt so they don't have far to jump?  He's very concerned about them and doesn't want them to get hurt.

Marty

[RainMaker]

I read in Motorcycle Consumer News (some months ago) monthly column by their monthly guest writer lawyer that using a car tire on a motorcycle is "prima facie negligence," if I recall accurately. He went on to say that if the insurance company finds you modified the bike and did not report it, they can immediately cancel the policy and refund your premium, leaving you cold and naked in the snow (read "screwed big time"). THIS AFTER AN ACCIDENT.

Also, in the eyes of the court, if there's an accident and it's not your fault, maybe the COURT will blame it on your modification, judging it to be a "dangerous modification." Want to appeal that?

The lawyer columnist said that, and we all know, if an insurance company can find a legitimate reason to avoid paying a claim they are darned sure going to do it.

That said, if you DO notify the ins. co. that you modified ur bike (car tire IS a modification from factory spec) they may jack up your premium or cancel your policy.

I watched a guy with a car tire on a valk, and every time he'd leave the flat part of the tire and ride up on his "non-treaded sidewall," the bike'd do a bit of a jump as it popped off the tread and onto the sidewall.

When I was a kid in the 1940s, all motorcycle tires were flat on the bottom like car tires, because tire mfrs didn't know any better. I had some original Goodyear Eagles on my 46 Indian when I bought it -even the Yokohama retro tires were like that. It didn't take long for me to get rid of the new retros for a set of tires with treads on the sidewalls so I didn't "flip out" or "flip in" every time I leaned so far over as to jump onto the sidewall. If you want to ride on non-treaded sidewalls and take chances with your insurance or an unstable bike, let me (us) know how it goes. Especially if you run afoul of your insurance company or the courts. Be interested to hear. ROCKY IN ARIZONA

Well, if you believe the author, stick to the M/C tire on the rear.  I'm on my second CT and have never experienced a jump onto the sidewall because it doesn't happen.  I'll continue to enjoy the longevity, safety and superior stopping power of a CT at half the price of a MC tire.

Watch the video from Dag in Norway.  See the tire maintain contact with the treads, not the sidewall.

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[bscrive]

That tire contacts the road as well as any MC tire.  I have a Bridgestone MC tire on my valk and after only 4k miles it looks pretty hacked up (three distinct flat sides).  Now, I did have my trailer attached for most of that, but the way it looks now I don't know if it is half as safe as running on a CT.  If it wasn't for my insurance company I would be changing it.  It seems that it does not matter which insurance company I look into, they have a real bias against putting a CT on a motorcycle.  Has any other canucks out their looked into this.

[BigAl]

Car tire and controversy, imagine that.



Have not seen anyone on fire because of a car tire yet.

Have not seen any benefits for them on the handling side either.

The first tire there on these bikes is a motorcycle tire and it does all the steering.

Back just follows, so it probably does not even matter what a feller has on the back as long as it holds air.

[Super Santa]

Car tire = far superior braking; far superior traction on wet pavement; far better mileage; far cheaper cost.

Just my opinion.

[Fudd]

In my eyes any modification decreases value.  I'm funny like that.  I want the most box stock, lowest mileage ride I can find.  Accessories and mods equiate to being "used."  I then spend like three grand putting the chrome where I want it.  When I sell it, I'll remove what I can first and sell the bling bling stuff separately. 

Not knowing about car tires what I know now, I most likely would have viewed it as someones "hotrod" and kept looking elsewhere.

[Mr Whiskey]

Early Bird said it all! "Car tire = far superior braking; far superior traction on wet pavement; far better mileage; far cheaper cost."
I'm still pretty much a FNG to the Darkside but................. I ride these beautiful E. Tn. & Nc. mountains a lot like Joe, (read; HARD on tires!) and I'm never going back to mc specific tire. Got 14k on my first General UHP and just mounted a Riken Raptor 205/55/16.........& started pulling a 15 cf trailer.
Makes me feel safer with "Sugar" on the back. Rides like it's on rails & preforms better in the rain than most mc tires do on good, DRY, pavement. Most stable machine I've ever had the pleasure of saddling up to.
I'm even hunting a CT for the cb750.
My 2 cents, peace DG.

[Super Santa]

I got 35,988 miles out of my first CT, a Goodyear TT.  Second only had 14,445 when it was replaced.  Noticed a nail in it and when tire was removed for patching, noticed a second nail.  It was still holding air fine.  Rather than put in two patches, replaced the tire April 25th this year.  Already got 5,000 on the new tire.

See you at Inzane.

[Rocketman]

In my eyes any modification decreases value.  I'm funny like that.  I want the most box stock, lowest mileage ride I can find.  Accessories and mods equiate to being "used."  I then spend like three grand putting the chrome where I want it.  When I sell it, I'll remove what I can first and sell the bling bling stuff separately. 

Not knowing about car tires what I know now, I most likely would have viewed it as someones "hotrod" and kept looking elsewhere.

HEY!!! We're trying to have a darkside/flaming death argument here!  Stop returning us to the thread topic!!!