Jewish newspaper erases Clinton from photo?

[Bobbo]

This is strange.  The New York Jewish newspaper Di Tzeitung removed Hillary Clinton from the photo showing people in the situation room during the bin Laden mission.

Their reason was that they don't publish photo's of women, since they should be appreciated for things other than their looks.  This is eerily reminiscent of Islamic Sharia law requiring women to wear burkas for similar reasons.

Can someone explain this?   ???

http://charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9N47KO00%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011

[Chrisj CMA]

I think Hilary went with the Seals on that raid in Paki and was killed......it was her that got thrown in the sea, the WH photoshopped her in to cover it up and the NY paper got an unedited version..............Bin Laden is now living in a mansion 150yards from the WH in DC, but no one knows it yet

[Willow]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

[BigAl]

As far as Sharia Law is concerned, Israel is a democracy and therefore considered a free nation.

As far as woman are concerned, some may have a short memory.

Personally, I like the guy with the eyepatch, cool.

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[Oss]

Al ya beat me to it 



Yes it was A NY newspaper not an Israeli paper

There are almost as many jewish sects as christian ones and on all sides of the spectrum

I didnt know you read hebrew Bobbo    Is this a new paper curious if they ever put Golda on the cover

[Bobbo]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

The apology was to the White House.  From the article:  It issued a statement saying its photo editor hadn't read the "fine print" accompanying the White House photo that forbade any changes.

[BigAl]

Yes I do read Hebrew.

Thanks for noticing, all good Bible Scholars, prefer to go directly to the Hebrew or Greek version of the Bible to check facts and meanings.

Of course I don;t read Hebrew.

Might of misconstrewed your post is all.

Sharia has no part in this, just respect for woman as the apology states.

AL

Sorry Oss Got you mixed up with BOBBO for a slight moment.

But my post stands for Bobbo.

I could be wrong, but it would the 1st time.

[Big Rig]

Maybe they took her out to "Pretty UP" the picture...

O'm just sayin.... 

[Bobbo]

Al ya beat me to it 



Yes it was A NY newspaper not an Israeli paper

There are almost as many jewish sects as christian ones and on all sides of the spectrum

I didnt know you read hebrew Bobbo    Is this a new paper curious if they ever put Golda on the cover

Yes, I mentioned it was a NY paper, and I know there are many sects of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, as most religions.  The Christian sect called 'Amish' or 'Mennonites' have a similar dress code for women, who also cannot cut their hair.

מצטערים, עברית שלי לא הכי טובה

[BigAl]

Israel can do no wrong in my book.

Yes you heard me right.

They are encompassed on all sides by enemies, even within.

As Israel goes from this point on, so does this world.

They have a wishy washy ally, called the USA, but none the less an ally.

They have more guts than most nations in this world.

Gotta love'em.

Al

[Bobbo]

Sharia has no part in this, just respect for woman as the apology states.

AL

Sharia law mandates no depictions of Mohammad are to be allowed for the same reason, respect for Muhammad by not reducing him to idol worship.

[Dubsvalk]

I'm with you Big Al!  Israel should be commended for what they do, what they stand for and doing what they have to do to avoid being wiped from the earth.  The seven days war accomplished just that and now everyone wants them to give up land that allows them to survive.  We haven't learned yet that Islam had declared war on the rest of the Free World and will one day bring it to our streets.  Unless we wize up and do something about it.
Dubs

[BigAl]

Yes that is one of the Basic things God taught the Israelites, make no graven Image.

When he told Abrahm to build an alter, he said, just stack the rocks, no carving please, just on the sacrifice.(Throat Cut)

As men we tend to make Idols. The list could go on forever.

Since both seem to have sprang from Abraham, thus the similarity.

Al

[Bobbo]

Yes that is one of the Basic things God taught the Israelites, make no graven Image.

Al

It's somewhat interesting that Jews and Muslims still follow that directive, but you will find "graven images" of Jesus everywhere.

[G-Man]

I thought she got cut out because the Jews had good taste.  (did I say that out loud?)

Actually, it was probably all those lib Jews that got her voted her in as a NY Senator when she had no history with the state, other than her husband may have gotten a BJ in one of the boroughs.  (again, did I say that out loud??)   

[bigguy]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

It's not their right. When you use somebody's copyrighted material, you follow their rules. If you don't agree, don't use that material.
In addition to that, a newspaper is supposed to be a document of record. It is NOT OK to doctor pictures in the news section. (A clearly marked photo illustration is different.) Several years ago a photographer lost his job with an LA paper when he used PhotoShop to remove smog from the LA skyline. It is a violation of the most basic journalistic principals.
But journalistic principals aside, they broke international copyright law. An apology is the least that's necessary.

[Serk]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

It's not their right. When you use somebody's copyrighted material, you follow their rules. If you don't agree, don't use that material.
In addition to that, a newspaper is supposed to be a document of record. It is NOT OK to doctor pictures. Several years ago a photographer lost his job with an LA paper when he used PhotoShop to remove smog from the LA skyline. It is a violation of the most basic journalistic principals.
But journalistic principals aside, they broke international copyright law. An apology is the least that's necessary.

While it is a violation of basic journalistic principals and a request by the White House, technically any works produced by the Federal Government are, basically, public domain. (With some exceptions and loopholes, of course.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government

Maybe it would have been better if they'd left her in, but simply photoshopped her into a Burqa?

[alph]

i thought only the muslims hated women, now the jews do also??  how in the world do those people reproduce??

[bigguy]

While it is a violation of basic journalistic principals and a request by the White House, technically any works produced by the Federal Government are, basically, public domain. (With some exceptions and loopholes, of course.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government

Maybe it would have been better if they'd left her in, but simply photoshopped her into a Burqa?

That's interesting Serk. I didn't know that about work produced by the White House. Makes sense I guess.
However, the credit line on the link is AP. And AP does not allow altering of their photos other than Cropping and color adjustments as required for press.

[bigguy]

i thought only the muslims hated women, now the jews do also??  how in the world do those people reproduce??

Ha! good question. Unfortunately, the answer is prodigiously.

[Chrisj CMA]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

If you want white house photos you give up that privilege....just sayin

[3fan4life]

This is strange.  The New York Jewish newspaper Di Tzeitung removed Hillary Clinton from the photo showing people in the situation room during the bin Laden mission.

Their reason was that they don't publish photo's of women, since they should be appreciated for things other than their looks.  This is eerily reminiscent of Islamic Sharia law requiring women to wear burkas for similar reasons.

Can someone explain this?   ???

FROM THE ARTICLE:

The Forward's managing editor, Lil Swanson, said that removing women from photos is "in keeping with" the belief of some ultra-Orthodox Jews that showing images of the female form is "immodest."

I would say that the phrase Ultra-Orthodox is the key here.  I would venture to say that the overall oppinion of women within the Jewish community is one of very high regard and stature.

Especially since Female Israli Soldiers are widely considered to be some of the most "Bad A$$" soldiers anywhere in the world.

[Willow]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

If you want white house photos you give up that privilege....just sayin

And you'd be "just sayin" incorrectly.  Wouldn't be the first time.    

[Chrisj CMA]

I would agree that erasing Hillary's picture to avoid her being appreciated for her looks shows both poor taste and poor judgement, but it's their paper and thus, in my opinion, their privilege.  

No apology should have been necessary.

If you want white house photos you give up that privilege....just sayin

And you'd be "just sayin" incorrectly.  Wouldn't be the first time.    

Funny funny....I suppose you on the other hand are never wrong.  But, I would suggest you take it up with "president" Obama, not me since the WH put the caveat NOT to alter their photos.......it surely wasnt my idea but hey

PS.........I suspect the real reason for the appology besides them overlooking the "DONT DO IT" fine print is that as a journalist, if you print a picture that has been altered it is tantamount to a lie if you dont inform your readers of the modification; and they did not.  

[Gryphon Rider]

The Christian sect called 'Amish' or 'Mennonites' have a similar dress code for women, who also cannot cut their hair.

Amish ≠ Mennonite.  A minority of Mennonites (excepting limited rural regions in the US and Canada) have dress codes similar to Amish, but they are not one and the same.  Most Mennonites dress no differently than modestly dressed people of the surrounding culture.  I grew up in the Mennonite church and attend one now.  The only woman in my congregation you might be able to identify on sight as Mennonite is a grandmother originally from Pennsylvania.

[Bobbo]

The Christian sect called 'Amish' or 'Mennonites' have a similar dress code for women, who also cannot cut their hair.

Amish ≠ Mennonite.  A minority of Mennonites (excepting limited rural regions in the US and Canada) have dress codes similar to Amish, but they are not one and the same.  Most Mennonites dress no differently than modestly dressed people of the surrounding culture.  I grew up in the Mennonite church and attend one now.  The only woman in my congregation you might be able to identify on sight as Mennonite is a grandmother originally from Pennsylvania.

My post wasn't to equate the two, but I included both since the Amish and Mennonites have similar roots and culture.  Religions have a habit of spinning off sects to reflect the culture of the different groups within it.

[MP]

The Christian sect called 'Amish' or 'Mennonites' have a similar dress code for women, who also cannot cut their hair.

Amish ≠ Mennonite.  A minority of Mennonites (excepting limited rural regions in the US and Canada) have dress codes similar to Amish, but they are not one and the same.  Most Mennonites dress no differently than modestly dressed people of the surrounding culture.  I grew up in the Mennonite church and attend one now.  The only woman in my congregation you might be able to identify on sight as Mennonite is a grandmother originally from Pennsylvania.

Not only did you equate them, you called them one sect.  "The Christian sect".  You said the Amish and the Mennonites are "one sect".  You are wrong.

MP
My post wasn't to equate the two, but I included both since the Amish and Mennonites have similar roots and culture.  Religions have a habit of spinning off sects to reflect the culture of the different groups within it.

[Bobbo]

Not only did you equate them, you called them one sect.  "The Christian sect".  You said the Amish and the Mennonites are "one sect".  You are wrong.

MP

The Amish are a variation of the Mennonites, originated by Jakob Ammann, and still closely related in culture.  They follow Christian doctrine, so they are Christian sect.

[Gryphon Rider]

Enough sects talk, this is a family board! 

Why do Mennonites never make love standing up?  Because it might lead to dancing!

[TheSpadMan]

I was under the impression that a muslim/islam news paper was the first to alter the photo. 
Just sayin.

And BigAl,     Dont mess With Isreal!!