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Last Saturday I rode to visit my Mothers grave and clean it up and add a wreath.
As I pulled out of the cemetary I noticed a cop parked across the street (a common spot to bust those going slightly over the 30 MPH speed limit).
As soon as I pulled out the cop started to chase me down with lights and sirens blaring; I never got a block past the cemetary. I pulled over and waited for the cop to approach me (he already had his hand on his holster). He started by asking why I was riding a "Chopper" through a cemetary? Did Ihave no respect for those greiving relatives and their children? He ranted on that "people like you (me)" have no respect for the dead and those visiting the mothers grave. He kept up this ranting rage, so I interjected that I also cleaned my parents gravesites and arrained a wreath on my mothers grave. He then said it was illegal to ride a motorcycle in a cemetary. He said that if he ever saw another motorcycle that "the rider would land in jail before they knew what was happening".
There are no signs at the entrances or exits,...and in the pas few years I've been in quite a few "Biker" funerals and have never been hassled. As a matter of fact one of those had well over three hundred motorcycles following the hearse to the gravesite with at least five different outlaw clubs from several chapters. All those had police escorts to keep traffic under control.
Why do some cops beleive that they cane simply make up rules and try to intimidate riders? Although I was not intimidated; I was annoyed to say the least. And I guess I would have fought the jail sentence with a countersuit for "Profiling" and intimidation. All I can say is that the Dearborn/Dearborn Hts. police are targeting to wrong people and trying to apease the wrong people (and ethnic groups).
What is happening to this country?
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 05:27:11 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 05:41:40 PM » |
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Call your local county court house and see if any such law exists. My guess is no and this douchbag cop needs to be reported.  |
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 05:43:48 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 05:49:02 PM » |
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BS. It's not illegal to protest funerals, and it's for damn sure not illegal to ride a motorcycle in a cemetery. I've been to HUNDREDS of funerals and never heard this bs.
If he was as pissed as he seemed, he'd have wrote you a ticket if there was a law on the books.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 05:52:26 PM » |
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Chopper??
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 05:53:28 PM » |
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You need to file a complaint, or he'll keep on (and get worse).
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 05:55:42 PM » |
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Figure he just sits there gnashing his teeth and pounding on the steering wheel all day long. Boy's got issues!  |
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 06:08:23 PM » |
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Next time ask for their Business card. then you have proof of talking. then go to the HQ
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 06:14:18 PM » |
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I agree with most of you that I should have reported and/or filed a claim. I guess I was not thinking clearly after this incident.
Quite a few Michigan communities are "cracking down" by allowing the local police to write BS tickets knowing that most people would rather avoid court and just pay whatever fines may be levied. It is especially prevalent in communities where tax revenues have fallen due to the current economic conditions.
I am an ABATE officer, so I should know how to handle this intimidation tactic. In February I went to a seminar at our ABATE of MI Convention on just this type of police tactic, and I did not respond accordingly.
MY BAD,...SHAME ON ME
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 06:22:45 PM » |
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That guy was either taking the dope he had confiscated from his recent collars, or he was a bonified Brown Spot(A HOLE).
Never heard of anything like that before.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 06:22:59 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 06:58:35 PM » |
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George first I am sorry you had such a bad experience with an LEO
IMHO you should do the following in order
1, get his badge number and name
2 tell him to call for his supervisor if you disagree for the reason for the stop
3. if he does not comply call 911 and report the incident but turn the bike off 1st so you dont get a ticket for using cell phone and request a car be sent to the scene to log your report
4 file a Notice of Claim against the Police Department and the Town or County If a State cop file it against the State of Michigan You may have a cause of action for intentional infliction of emotional harm among other torts If you had a passenger you also have a slander case if what he said was what you related.
5 file a complaint with the police itself
6. notify the cemetery that you were waylaid by the police from whatever jurisdiction and expect them to write to the precinct commander their displeasure
7. notify your local newspaper so they can run a story...they can also help you find out who the cop was and you can FOIL for the badge number of the officer at the location at the time if the police wont fess up
notify your local and national PGR
that should keep you busy for awhile
There is NO LAW prohibiting motorcycles at cemeteries If he gave you a ticket he could be guilty of knowingly filing a false instrument I have ridden many PGR missions to cemeteries
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 07:11:01 PM » |
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Momz,
First off, let me say that there are cops that don't belong in uniform just like there are doctors that should not be in the OR, or teachers that should not be in a classroom.
I agree with OSS, file a complaint, this mutton head should be reported or he will continue his ways and make a bad name for all the cops that are doing their job as they should.
I worked with a few bad cops in 26 years, departments have a way of weeding them out, but not unless they are reported. That guy was way out of line.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 07:16:47 PM » |
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First, if it is a law (or rule, whatever)... it is wrong, and should be overturned. Everyone should have access to a cemetery to pay respects to whomever they choose, no matter what their conveyance.
Second, if it is a law (or rule, whatever), the officer went about it completely the wrong way. In the years I have been involved in that line of work, I discovered very quickly that having an attitude with people will get you no where; more headaches than it's worth.
If you were breaking the law, then write it (ticket, summons, whatever) and go about his business... fight it in court, not in the street. The way he went about it was absolutely wrong in giving you his opinion on it. I suspect if he didn't take any enforcement action (ticket, summons, whatever) then there isn't really a law/rule, or he is plain lazy. If no law... get down to the station and file a complaint, post-haste.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 07:34:16 PM » |
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Reminds me of an incident I had a couple years ago, a drunk spun out in my front yard and hit a tree, he tried to leave and I pulled him out of the truck and took the keys. The officer that responded pulled in the yard, and proceeded to ream me out, and threatened me with arrest. Also threatened my neighbors wife, she was 82 at the time as she tried to explain what had transpired. I threw him off my property after getting his id. I Called the main sheriffs office , turns out several in the neighborhood called in also. He is no longer on the force, several complaints about his attitude before. He thought he was a super cop. Thank the good lord all are not like that. If I had not got his ID, nothing would have been done about him.
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Reminds me of an incident I had a couple years ago, a drunk spun out in my front yard and hit a tree, he tried to leave and I pulled him out of the truck and took the keys. The officer that responded pulled in the yard, and proceeded to ream me out, and threatened me with arrest. Also threatened my neighbors wife, she was 82 at the time as she tried to explain what had transpired. I threw him off my property after getting his id. I Called the main sheriffs office , turns out several in the neighborhood called in also. He is no longer on the force, several complaints about his attitude before. He thought he was a super cop. Thank the good lord all are not like that. If I had not got his ID, nothing would have been done about him.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 07:48:22 PM » |
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Take OSS' advice and go for it.
You could also go to the office and talk to the shift commander. Maybe they would be willing to set up a surveillance and you go to the cemetery again and if he is there, pull out and then let his superiors handle it.
He needs an attitude adjustment. That being 'Walking papers' and not allowed to serve on a Dept again. His LEO career, needs to end NOW.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 08:10:23 PM » |
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being the dick that i am, i would have gotten on my cycle, driven to moms tombstone, parked, then asked the cop to arrest me. once he did, i'd have all the ammo i'd need to start a loud out cry from other bikers, if he didn't, i'd ask for his badge # so that i could have a talk with his supervisor. although, most likely you'd want to have your helmet on, cause i'm sure you'd get a crack on the head one way or another!!!
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my son and i were stopped by the pontoon beach Ill. police a while back. my son is from Missouri. the cop said he had no front plate. son said it's a ton truck and mo doesn't need a front. cop said when your in Ill you must abide by Ill laws. a supervisor showed up, the cop brought my sons license back and sorry to have bothered you. have a nice day.  supervisor musta reamed him good for that one  maybe a bunch of us could go say hello to your mom son and i laughed all the way home |
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 08:55:09 PM » |
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i live in toledo and would like to visit your moms grave!!
and this guy really thinks you are stupid enough to think the is a law against a motorcycle in a cemantary?
The officers ego has issues and a reflection of all of the fine men and women of Law enforcement
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i live in toledo and would like to visit your moms grave!!
and this guy really thinks you are stupid enough to think the is a law against a motorcycle in a cemantary?
The officers ego has issues and a reflection of all of the fine men and women of Law enforcement
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2011, 06:52:04 AM » |
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I admit that I might have also attracted his attention more so because I was wearing my cut off vest with my ABATE of MI colors. I had a stack of flyers in my saddlebags promoting our "Blessed in Hell" bike blessing. After leaving the cemetary I was going to a dealership to pass out those flyers and post our announcement.
For those interested: the "Blessed in Hell" event is on Sunday, May 22nd at the Hell Creek Ranch in Hell MI.(GPS address:10866 Cedar Lake Rd., Pinkney MI.)
We expect this to be the single largest Bike Blessing in the Midwest. We will have four separate CMA blessings to accomadate everyone. Gates open at 10:30 AM, $8.00 single & $10.00 for doubles, live bands, vendors, bike show, tattoo contest, 50/50 girls, and door prizes.
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I admit that I might have also attracted his attention more so because I was wearing my cut off vest with my ABATE of MI colors. I had a stack of flyers in my saddlebags promoting our "Blessed in Hell" bike blessing. After leaving the cemetary I was going to a dealership to pass out those flyers and post our announcement.
For those interested: the "Blessed in Hell" event is on Sunday, May 22nd at the Hell Creek Ranch in Hell MI.(GPS address:10866 Cedar Lake Rd., Pinkney MI.)
We expect this to be the single largest Bike Blessing in the Midwest. We will have four separate CMA blessings to accomadate everyone. Gates open at 10:30 AM, $8.00 single & $10.00 for doubles, live bands, vendors, bike show, tattoo contest, 50/50 girls, and door prizes.
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Sounds to me like a good ride idea. Lets meet and ride over there. Multiply state bikes we're bound to get a ticket and think of all the witnesses you would have. I'm not being sarcastic here. I'd stand up for anyone when the jerks are wrong. LEO's use to be respected no matter who they were. But now with all these incidents one questions their motives.
I'd ride up from Texas to do that. Oh no I'm in Michigan right now but he doesn't have to know that. I go to moms grave all the time on my motorcycle. Local cops know who it is when they see my Dark Red Goldwing parked in the Floral City FL Cemetary (pop about 200).
Thanks for the info on the Bike Blessing. Always looking for things to do when I get to a new area.
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2011, 07:41:49 AM » |
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Any good twisty routes between that cemetery and Bellaire in say, late July?
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2011, 07:53:23 AM » |
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There is nothing wrong with motorcycles in the cemetary. The last incident was a loud boom-thump passing thru that didn't stop to visit. I guess we should have made them a resident ,as several showed disgust with them and my family would not let me react.
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Gates open at 10:30 AM, $8.00 single & $10.00 for doubles, live bands, vendors, bike show, tattoo contest, 50/50 girls, and door prizes.
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Do nothing THIS TIME. The Cop was being a brat, you be an adult. LEO's have a tough thankless job, sometimes the only friends they have are other cops. He didn't arrest you or ticket you, so get on with your life. If it happens again, then take all the action listed above.
I'm not suggesting that you should like being treated this way. But life ain't fair or easy, and this was pretty small in the scheme of things. Save your strength for fighting a real bad guy, don't waste it on fighting a good guy having a bad day.
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Save your strength for fighting a real bad guy, don't waste it on fighting a good guy having a bad day.
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Do nothing THIS TIME. The Cop was being a brat, you be an adult. LEO's have a tough thankless job, sometimes the only friends they have are other cops. He didn't arrest you or ticket you, so get on with your life. If it happens again, then take all the action listed above.
I'm not suggesting that you should like being treated this way. But life ain't fair or easy, and this was pretty small in the scheme of things. Save your strength for fighting a real bad guy, don't waste it on fighting a good guy having a bad day.
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Police officers are like the rest of us, some earn respect, some want respect, and some will lose respect due to their actions. I applaude any officer that beleives in "to protect and serve".http://www.bikernews.net/f.cfm/fb/cgb |
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George first I am sorry you had such a bad experience with an LEO
IMHO you should do the following in order
1, get his badge number and name
2 tell him to call for his supervisor if you disagree for the reason for the stop
3. if he does not comply call 911 and report the incident but turn the bike off 1st so you dont get a ticket for using cell phone and request a car be sent to the scene to log your report
4 file a Notice of Claim against the Police Department and the Town or County If a State cop file it against the State of Michigan You may have a cause of action for intentional infliction of emotional harm among other torts If you had a passenger you also have a slander case if what he said was what you related.
5 file a complaint with the police itself
6. notify the cemetery that you were waylaid by the police from whatever jurisdiction and expect them to write to the precinct commander their displeasure
7. notify your local newspaper so they can run a story...they can also help you find out who the cop was and you can FOIL for the badge number of the officer at the location at the time if the police wont fess up
notify your local and national PGR
that should keep you busy for awhile
There is NO LAW prohibiting motorcycles at cemeteries If he gave you a ticket he could be guilty of knowingly filing a false instrument I have ridden many PGR missions to cemeteries
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Momz: Would your Valkyrie happen to be somewhat loud? I'm wondering if there is a noise ordinance for cemeteries.
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Police officers are like the rest of us, some earn respect, some want respect, and some will lose respect due to their actions. I applaude any officer that beleives in "to protect and serve".http://www.bikernews.net/f.cfm/fb/cgbRespect is something you command, not demand |
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I was thinking of that when I wrote my earlier post G-man. When I got that BS ticket in the Bronx last year for no goggles even tho I was wearing the ANSI safety glasses I wrote the precinct commander and never got an answer. I beat the ticket but did not file a complaint even after he said in front of the judge he will be looking for me. I am still waiting for him to pull me over  When we were at the motorcycle show the state troopers had a big sign up stating ANSI safety glasses is what we need now, not goggles Wonder if there will be a "safety stop" at Americade this year. By the way, it says on the side of the NYPD cruisers COURTESY PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT I have never received either in NYC but the State Troopers are very polite and I have gotten off with a warning the last two times I was pulled over, once for 75 in a 50 on the Palisades Parkway driving the mommy van with the whole family and once just north of Jackson Avenue 72 in a 55 in my 300m Both times I said yes sir I suppose I was doing what you clocked me I am tired and sorry I was not paying attention Go figure |
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