BANK ANGLE SENSOR ADAPTED TO A LAWN TRACTOR

[Airetime]

Well, I know you think I'm nuts  but I have this extra Bank Angle Sensor and wonder if I can connect it to my John Deer Lawn Tractor as I have some hill sides that are pretty steep. I have disconected the seat and reverse switches as I need to move my butt around and it's a pain to push a button everytime you put it in reverse so the engine won't die. I would still like to make sure that the ignition cuts if it is tipped over, so I thought why not use the extra bank angle sensor? It kicks in at 50+ degrees tilt.

My question is can I simply connect the hot to the battery and the outside wire to the ignition? If so what is the center wire for? And Can I simply not use it? Anyone out there want to give an opinion? 

[sugerbear]

sorry don't have an answer to your question but...........................how did you bypass the reverse switch?

wanting to do the same to my john deer mower.  thanks

[Airetime]

sorry don't have an answer to your question but...........................how did you bypass the reverse switch?

wanting to do the same to my john deer mower.  thanks

Pop up the hood and locate the switch that gets pushed when you push the button for reverse. I used a zip tie around the switch to keep it pressed down to see if it would work, it did and I have never pulled it to hard wire it since, that was 5 years ago. 

[bigfish_Oh]

load your rear tires or add weights. I zipp tied my seat switch the first 10 minutes. I never got hurt mowing with less safe mowers at 8 yrs old, I'll take my chances now.  I just could not lean that extra bit to pick up a limb or trash without killing the engine.

[Airetime]

load your rear tires or add weights. I zipp tied my seat switch the first 10 minutes. I never got hurt mowing with less safe mowers at 8 yrs old, I'll take my chances now.  I just could not lean that extra bit to pick up a limb or trash without killing the engine.

Actually with my seat, when I was trying to figure out which wires to jump, I just left it unplugged and it was that simple. I have rolled one in the past and it does get a bit scary  when you are on yer back looking at the underside of the deck, that's the reason for me wanting to use the Bank Sensor. I guess that I could simply start pluggin wires in and testing it, I just wondered if anyone knew before I ruin a good Sensor. 

[sugerbear]

tanks, tanks a lot   

[designer]

The bank angle sensor relay goes to the ignition switch.  I would say it grounds the ignition switch out to stop the engine.  I would hook it up in the same manner, it should ground the ignition thinking the keys been turned off. 

[Daniel Meyer]

Buy a Craftsman. It's ready to die, explode, or shake apart an any moments notice, so I highly suspect it won't run upside down (it'll barely run right-side up!) 

[Airetime]

The bank angle sensor relay goes to the ignition switch.  I would say it grounds the ignition switch out to stop the engine.  I would hook it up in the same manner, it should ground the ignition thinking the keys been turned off. 

So I was thinking in the right direction, red goes to power, green to ignition, but what about the middle white wire?  I guess it wouldn't matter on this application. Thanks for the input! 

[designer]

White goes to the ignition fuse.  Make sure you use a relay, like on the Valkyrie, since I bet the potential to overload the circuit is great.  The sensor runs a relay and the relay grounds the circuit.  just my 2 cents

[Airetime]

White goes to the ignition fuse.  Make sure you use a relay, like on the Valkyrie, since I bet the potential to overload the circuit is great.  The sensor runs a relay and the relay grounds the circuit.  just my 2 cents

Thanks, last q? green to ground?

[designer]

http://www.rattlebars.com/valkfaq/STschem.jpg

yes

[Airetime]

http://www.rattlebars.com/valkfaq/STschem.jpg

yes

Should have thought of that! I appreciate it, thanks again

[JC]

sorry don't have an answer to your question but...........................how did you bypass the reverse switch?

wanting to do the same to my john deer mower.  thanks

Just pulled the wires off the reverse switch and made a jumper for mine...

[Jess Tolbirt]

if simply just use the switch hooked to ignition and roll the tractor over that would work or wire it to the seat switch,,but if it were to roll all the way over and the engine has not died to a complete stop, when the tractor gets back up it will start again on its own...like shutting orr a lawn mower and before the engine quits turning you let off the button it continues to run...am i making sense?

[Airetime]

if simply just use the switch hooked to ignition and roll the tractor over that would work or wire it to the seat switch,,but if it were to roll all the way over and the engine has not died to a complete stop, when the tractor gets back up it will start again on its own...like shutting orr a lawn mower and before the engine quits turning you let off the button it continues to run...am i making sense?

The reason that I want to use the Bank Angle Sensor as it cuts the ignition and then would require you to reset the Bank Angle Sensor once it is triggered, the same way it works on motorcycles.  I have my wifes grandson living with us now and he is doing some of the mowing. If I used the oe seat switch it would restart.

[Jess Tolbirt]

I aint sure but i dont think its the switch that has to be reset,,,its the relay the switch operates,, like a holding contact in a contactor...

[Airetime]

I aint sure but i dont think its the switch that has to be reset,,,its the relay the switch operates,, like a holding contact in a contactor...

I am what you might call "electronically challenged" , so it could be, but as I understand it, the Bank Angle Sensor acts more like a mercury switch in that when it reaches the 50 + degree angle it breaks the contact and that is why it needs to "reset" itself (once erect) by turning the ignition switch on-off, on-off to reactivate it. A relay doesn't have to be manually reset. I have had to dig out the old Relay 101 basics from rattlebars to make sure. I dug it out to refresh my memory. I am posting it here for those who have an interest in exactly how a relay works. As I said I could be all wrong on this as you and others are more up on it than I. Any input on this is welcomed, thanks.

http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/basicrelay.html

[R J]

On the newer John Deere's it isn't as easy or simple to disable that reverse switch on the PTO.

My 2010 X360 tractor, we had to go down on the bottom of the tractor near the deck.

My old L series, it was under the hood and just a pigtail, made a bypass.

The snowblower Deere, forgot the model # and I ain't going out to the garage to get it, it was up under the right rear fender on the frame.    Needed tiny hands to get it off so as to bypass it.

So, some are easy, and some a very much buried.

The X360, when we tried to disable the under dash switch, it effected the brake pedal. PTO worked, but step on the brake and it died.   So talked to my friendly Johnny Pop dealer and he told me what to disable,  once I got the wiring diagram off of Google it was simple to locate what had to be done, it was the most fun finding it.

[Jess Tolbirt]

Airetime,
I cant explain it in writing but the angle switch is just that a switch that instead of contacts it uses a conductive liquid,(mercury)..
that switch either makes or breaks the circuit,,that circuit needs to feed to a holding contact that when broken the coil drops out and power must be reset to the holding contactor (relay) to be reset,,in order to reset it the mercury switch must be reset first,(raising the bike back up), if the switch is still tilted you can try to reset it all you want to but it wont until all set conditions are met...
but i would just put it in series with the seat switch, or in place of the seat swtich and you might be good to go,,,