I SAID October 21ST NOT May 21ST!! (new rapture date)

[alph]

That preacher guy has updated his rapture date.  He’s certain on this one!! 

I know, some of you’s might be disgusted with these types of predictions, but, he is feeding on “biblical” fears.

(I'm not going to hold my breath)

[Bobbo]

Yes, but he isn't dropping millions this time to get the word out...   

[alph]

Yes, but he isn't dropping millions this time to get the word out...   

the question is, how many MILLIONS (tax free) did he make??

[Bobbo]

Yes, but he isn't dropping millions this time to get the word out...   

the question is, how many MILLIONS (tax free) did he make??

Reportedly, $72 million.  Scaring weak minded naive people is very lucrative indeed!

[G-Man]

Yes, but he isn't dropping millions this time to get the word out...   

the question is, how many MILLIONS (tax free) did he make??

Reportedly, $72 million.  Scaring weak minded naive people is very lucrative indeed!

Isn't that exactly what religion is about?  Have men, standing higher than you, tell you how to behave and how to beg forgiveness or face an everlasting afterlife of misery, when there is not one little bit of evidence to support this, and your mind knows this, but because they began indoctrinating you before you could even speak, it somehow becomes.........real.   

[Big Rig]

Yes, but he isn't dropping millions this time to get the word out...   

the question is, how many MILLIONS (tax free) did he make??

Reportedly, $72 million.  Scaring weak minded naive people is very lucrative indeed!

Isn't that exactly what religion is about?  Have men, standing higher than you, tell you how to behave and how to beg forgiveness or face an everlasting afterlife of misery, when there is not one little bit of evidence to support this, and your mind knows this, but because they began indoctrinating you before you could even speak, it somehow becomes.........real.   

That about sums it up! Just one more thing...the just send $$$ part of religion.

[Red Diamond]

That preacher guy has updated his rapture date.  He’s certain on this one!! 

I know, some of you’s might be disgusted with these types of predictions, but, he is feeding on “biblical” fears.

(I'm not going to hold my breath)

Did you hold your breath the first time? LOL

[alph]

Did you hold your breath the first time? LOL
[/quote]

yeah i did!!  the color's finally coming back!!   it's all just so funny, there have been people saying these things for the last 1000 years.  i like how someone said that the old aztech people had that calender that shows december 2012 as being the last date, and where are they now?

[BigAl]

You know how to keep hundreds of Valkyrie Riders in suspense..

Tell them the world is going to end.

Or Mention something about a Harley.

Yeah that will do it.

[alph]

this is the kind of rapture i'm thinking of!!  still the hottest G-I-L-F!!!  i'm assuming she's a grandmother   blonde was really one of the best singers of my era.  if you've ever heard about what happened to her career you'd be amazed at this women.  it's a long story......

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[3fan4life]

The closer that you look at this kook the more it looks like he is running a scam.

Bilking guilliable people.

Blind trust and obiedience of any religious leader is a dangerous thing.

If the people would open their Bibles and actually read them, they could easily see for themselves that this kook cannot possibly know when the judgement day will come:

But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father.  Mat 24:36 (MKJV)

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if God hasn't let the angels or Jesus himself know when the judgement day will come, he hasn't told some yahoo in California.

 

[rmrc51]

This guy is a real nut job!  And what's more depressing is that so many people actually believe in his line of crap. Sad,,,.

[Bobbo]

People like Mr. Camping can create a real conundrum for other Christians.  On one hand, if you agree with him, you would be exposed as a foolish participant in a hoax if it didn't happen. On the other hand, if you reject his claim, and it happens, you risk not being saved, since you rejected God's prophet.  I wonder how much hand wringing happened over this?   

[3fan4life]

People like Mr. Camping can create a real conundrum for other Christians.  On one hand, if you agree with him, you would be exposed as a foolish participant in a hoax if it didn't happen. On the other hand, if you reject his claim, and it happens, you risk not being saved, since you rejected God's prophet.  I wonder how much hand wringing happened over this?   

No hand wringing necessary.

The bible tells us "Christians" that No One knows when the rapture will come.

As a Christian you are to live your life "prepared" to meet your maker on any day, rapture or not.

[Bobbo]

People like Mr. Camping can create a real conundrum for other Christians.  On one hand, if you agree with him, you would be exposed as a foolish participant in a hoax if it didn't happen. On the other hand, if you reject his claim, and it happens, you risk not being saved, since you rejected God's prophet.  I wonder how much hand wringing happened over this?   

No hand wringing necessary.

The bible tells us "Christians" that No One knows when the rapture will come.

As a Christian you are to live your life "prepared" to meet your maker on any day, rapture or not.

Who's to say that God didn't change his mind, and let his most devout follower know the date?  According to the Bible, God changes his mind sometimes.  That's how they ended up with the New Covenant.  Wouldn't it be safer to believe Camping, than to risk eternal damnation for rejecting God's possible last prophet?

[3fan4life]

Who's to say that God didn't change his mind, and let his most devout follower know the date?  According to the Bible, God changes his mind sometimes.  That's how they ended up with the New Covenant.  Wouldn't it be safer to believe Camping, than to risk eternal damnation for rejecting God's possible last prophet?

What risk of damnation?

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are already saved:


For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  John 3:16 (MKJV)

Most everyone knows this commonly quoted verse, many do not know the rest of the passage:



For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.  John 3:17-18 (MKJV)


Whether someone is saved or condemned hinges upon their belief in and acceptance of Jesus Christ.

Even if this kook in CA was a "prophet" no one that has accepted Jesus would be condemned for not believing his message.

The only "people" risking condemnation would be those that haven't accepted Christ. And their condemnation would have nothing to do with not believing the potential "prophet".

Their condemnation comes from their rejection of Jesus as the Son of God.

[Bobbo]

What risk of damnation?

You're missing my point.  According to the Bible, the original way to get into Heaven was to have burnt offerings and other forms of sacrifice.  God changed His mind, and decided to send a savior.  How do you know God didn't change His mind again, and sent the final savior, namely Mr. Camping?

I'm sure many people followed the burnt offerings form of salvation after rejecting Jesus, only to be shocked that they can't get into Heaven because they didn't follow the latest salvation.  How do you know this isn't happening again?

[3fan4life]

What risk of damnation?

You're missing my point.  According to the Bible, the original way to get into Heaven was to have burnt offerings and other forms of sacrifice.  God changed His mind, and decided to send a savior.  How do you know God didn't change His mind again, and sent the final savior, namely Mr. Camping?

I'm sure many people followed the burnt offerings form of salvation after rejecting Jesus, only to be shocked that they can't get into Heaven because they didn't follow the latest salvation.  How do you know this isn't happening again?

No Bobbo you are missing the point.

The "Law" that you refer to never was meant as the way into heaven.

The purpose of the law and sacrifice was to show man that he could never rise to the righteousness of God.

The comming of the Messaih (Jesus Christ) is prophesized many times over in the Old Testament, the New Covenant wasn't the result of God "suddenly" changing his mind. It was his plan all along.

And you are also misinterpreting this kooks message.

Show me where he is saying that people must "Believe" in him in order to be saved?

It seems to me that he isn't peaching a "New" religion.

Rather, he is either "Crazy" enough or "Arrogant" enough to think that he "Knows" when the Judgement Day will come.

[Bobbo]

The "Law" that you refer to never was meant as the way into heaven.

The purpose of the law and sacrifice was to show man that he could never rise to the righteousness of God.

If those sacrifices didn't affect one's ability to get into Heaven, why do them?  Maybe God just wanted to mess with those people?   ??? 

The comming of the Messaih (Jesus Christ) is prophesized many times over in the Old Testament, the New Covenant wasn't the result of God "suddenly" changing his mind. It was his plan all along.

Here's an example of God changing His mind:
Exodus 32:14   So the LORD changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people.

And you are also misinterpreting this kooks message.

Show me where he is saying that people must "Believe" in him in order to be saved?

It seems to me that he isn't peaching a "New" religion.

Rather, he is either "Crazy" enough or "Arrogant" enough to think that he "Knows" when the Judgement Day will come.

No one said he's creating a new religion, but he may think he's fulfilling prophesy much as Jesus claimed.

[3fan4life]

The "Law" that you refer to never was meant as the way into heaven.

If those sacrifices didn't affect one's ability to get into Heaven, why do them?  Maybe God just wanted to mess with those people?   ??? 

Many people are under the mistaken impression that a different way of salvation existed under the Law of Moses. The argument usually goes this way: under the Mosaic Law salvation was obtained by obedience to the Law; whereas today, under the New Covenant, salvation is by grace through faith.

This concept is completely erroneous. There has never been any method of salvation except grace through faith. Long before the Law of Moses was given, the Patriarchs (like Job, Enoch, and Abraham) were saved by the grace of God when they related to Him in faith. After the Law was given, the Jewish people continued to be saved by grace through faith.

Obedience to the Law never saved anyone; first, because it was impossible to obey the Law perfectly, and second, because the sacrifice of animals was insufficient to atone for human sin.

The law served as a tutor to prepare people for the coming of the Messiah (Galatians 3:24). It did this first of all by convicting people of their sins. Second, it motivated them in this sin-consciousness to look for a Messiah who would shed His blood to atone for their sins.

 

Here's an example of God changing His mind:
Exodus 32:14   So the LORD changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people.

Read  the entire passage. God did not "change" his mind in the same way that a parent decides not to discipline a child. Instead God changed his behavior to remain consistent with his nature. When God first wanted to destroy the people he was acting consistenly with his justice. When Moses interceded for the people, God relented in order to to act consistently with his mercy. God had often told the people that if they changed their ways, he would not condemn them. They changed and he did as he promised.

No one said he's creating a new religion, but he may think he's fulfilling prophesy much as Jesus claimed.

Thinking about whatever he may "think" is a whole lotta thinking but not much knowing.

[B]

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[Chrisj CMA]

The "Law" that you refer to never was meant as the way into heaven.

The purpose of the law and sacrifice was to show man that he could never rise to the righteousness of God.

If those sacrifices didn't affect one's ability to get into Heaven, why do them?  Maybe God just wanted to mess with those people?   ??? 

The comming of the Messaih (Jesus Christ) is prophesized many times over in the Old Testament, the New Covenant wasn't the result of God "suddenly" changing his mind. It was his plan all along.

Here's an example of God changing His mind:
Exodus 32:14   So the LORD changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people.

And you are also misinterpreting this kooks message.

Show me where he is saying that people must "Believe" in him in order to be saved?

It seems to me that he isn't peaching a "New" religion.

Rather, he is either "Crazy" enough or "Arrogant" enough to think that he "Knows" when the Judgement Day will come.

No one said he's creating a new religion, but he may think he's fulfilling prophesy much as Jesus claimed.

It always took faith and faith alone to go to heaven.  Even Abraham was accounted as rightous because of his faith it says in Romans 4:1-8.  Bobbo if those sacrifices alone got the people to heaven then it would be by works, it never was by works.  Also if the sacrifices alone got people to heaven we wouldnt have needed Jesus sacrifice.  Dont get me wrong, people still went to heaven if they believed Gods word and had the faith fo follow his commandments as best they could out of love. That whole system wasnt changed....it was a picture of the perfect sacrifice to come.  Now, I cannot tell you why God chose that timeline.....but I will ask him someday     Doing those sacrifices took faith and thats what made the people right.....it mattered greatly the motivation of their heart.  Faith and honor toward God = good.  Begrudjingly out of duty = bad (just like Cain and Able)

[Bobbo]

Chrisj CMA and 3fan4life:

Getting back on track with my questions, you say that God had a working system before Jesus, then changed the system of how to worship to gain entry into Heaven.  The details of this change weren't in the Old Testament.  In fact, most Old Testament references to a Messiah dealt with redeeming Israel and defeating oppressors and enemies.  Since the New Testament didn't exist during or shortly after Jesus' time, they had to depend on word of mouth.  How do you know this isn't happening again with Mr. camping?  Maybe God decided to change the system again (He can do that, right?!) and use Mr. camping as a messenger.

[Chrisj CMA]

Chrisj CMA and 3fan4life:

Getting back on track with my questions, you say that God had a working system before Jesus, then changed the system of how to worship to gain entry into Heaven.  The details of this change weren't in the Old Testament.  In fact, most Old Testament references to a Messiah dealt with redeeming Israel and defeating oppressors and enemies.  Since the New Testament didn't exist during or shortly after Jesus' time, they had to depend on word of mouth.  How do you know this isn't happening again with Mr. camping?  Maybe God decided to change the system again (He can do that, right?!) and use Mr. camping as a messenger.

No Bobbo he cant, well I suppose he CAN do whatever he wants, but its not gonna be that way, he said its finished, and it cost Jesus a painful agonizing death and God is hardly going to toss that aside on a whim.  and certainly not at the expense of the entire new testament.  God would never betray the living word and the written word, are you kidding?  You must be kidding (pulling our leg) to continue an argument you are just on the wrong side of

[Bobbo]

No Bobbo he cant, well I suppose he CAN do whatever he wants, but its not gonna be that way, he said its finished, and it cost Jesus a painful agonizing death and God is hardly going to toss that aside on a whim.  and certainly not at the expense of the entire new testament.  God would never betray the living word and the written word, are you kidding?  You must be kidding (pulling our leg) to continue an argument you are just on the wrong side of

I'm not suggesting that God is throwing out the New Testament, maybe only adding to it.  The people of the Old Testament didn't know that there would be a New Testament; they thought God's word was fully contained in the Old one.  My question is still how do you know?

[Chrisj CMA]

Bobbo its obvious you are just goading us here, but since you are not being nasty or sarcastic, Ill try to answer.  The people of the Old testament KNEW there was something else coming.  Prophesy fortold it.  THe ones that had faith were looking for it.  Now what the ones that has faith are looking for is the rapture, (what kinda started this whole mess) so no the new Testament was not a huge surprise or a big departure from the nature of Gods will for his people it was more a perfecting of the nature of Gods will for us. 

But to someone that has no faith in Jesus/God, the resurrection and the second coming, it may sound like foolishness, I know because the Bible says as much. 

[Bobbo]

Bobbo its obvious you are just goading us here, but since you are not being nasty or sarcastic, Ill try to answer.  The people of the Old testament KNEW there was something else coming.  Prophesy fortold it.  THe ones that had faith were looking for it.  Now what the ones that has faith are looking for is the rapture, (what kinda started this whole mess) so no the new Testament was not a huge surprise or a big departure from the nature of Gods will for his people it was more a perfecting of the nature of Gods will for us. 

But to someone that has no faith in Jesus/God, the resurrection and the second coming, it may sound like foolishness, I know because the Bible says as much. 

The Old testament describes a Messiah that will be a ruler of Israel, one that will restore Israel's favor with God, and cast off the oppressors.  What they got was someone who changed the course of their religion (splitting it off, actually), redirected some of the rituals (the symbolic bread and wine), and described a new way to salvation.  This obviously was a surprise to the Jews at the time, as many of them rejected the new direction, and still do to this day.

How do you know God is not surprising you again with something a little different than what is described in scripture?

[3fan4life]

How do you know God is not surprising you again with something a little different than what is described in scripture?

What is different about this kooks message??

Is he saying that he is now the way into heaven??

My understanding is that he is saying that he has been able to interpret from scripture exactly when judgement day and the rapture will come.

Yes that is contrary to scripture and the basis of my disbelief of him.

But he is Not saying  that there is now a different way into heaven.




Bobbo,

Like Chris I tend to feel that you've just been goading. But since you haven't been abrasive with your responses I have continued to answer your questions.

But, at this point the exchanges are becomming somewhat juvenile (like the little kid that keeps asking "Why" long after his original question has been answered).

The original question has been asked and answered many times over.

I thank you for not turning this thread into a nasty exchange of words but it now seems that we are

[Chrisj CMA]

Bobbo its obvious you are just goading us here, but since you are not being nasty or sarcastic, Ill try to answer.  The people of the Old testament KNEW there was something else coming.  Prophesy fortold it.  THe ones that had faith were looking for it.  Now what the ones that has faith are looking for is the rapture, (what kinda started this whole mess) so no the new Testament was not a huge surprise or a big departure from the nature of Gods will for his people it was more a perfecting of the nature of Gods will for us. 

But to someone that has no faith in Jesus/God, the resurrection and the second coming, it may sound like foolishness, I know because the Bible says as much. 

The Old testament describes a Messiah that will be a ruler of Israel, one that will restore Israel's favor with God, and cast off the oppressors.  What they got was someone who changed the course of their religion (splitting it off, actually), redirected some of the rituals (the symbolic bread and wine), and described a new way to salvation.  This obviously was a surprise to the Jews at the time, as many of them rejected the new direction, and still do to this day.

How do you know God is not surprising you again with something a little different than what is described in scripture?

Im Done

[DarkMeister]

BAD  Bobbo.
Bad, bad, bad Bobbo!

(Off to get more popcorn; BRB)

[Bobbo]

How do you know God is not surprising you again with something a little different than what is described in scripture?

What is different about this kooks message??

Is he saying that he is now the way into heaven??

My understanding is that he is saying that he has been able to interpret from scripture exactly when judgement day and the rapture will come.

Yes that is contrary to scripture and the basis of my disbelief of him.

But he is Not saying  that there is now a different way into heaven.




Bobbo,

Like Chris I tend to feel that you've just been goading. But since you haven't been abrasive with your responses I have continued to answer your questions.

But, at this point the exchanges are becomming somewhat juvenile (like the little kid that keeps asking "Why" long after his original question has been answered).

The original question has been asked and answered many times over.

I'm asking this question because I don't understand how people decide what to believe and disbelieve regarding religion, Christianity in particular.  Most Christians I know believe in a mix of Old Testament and New.  They pick different parts of both to form their beliefs, and none believe the same parts.  Some agree with these recent predictions, and others don't.  I'm asking what criteria is used to decide, since it appears to be very subjective.  For everyone that points out one part of the Bible that refutes this message, another will pick a different section to say it's possible.

No one I know thinks Mr. Camping is changing Christianity, or believes he is a new messiah.  Some think he has been ordained by God to herald in the End of Days, others think he is a kook.  It may seem that I keep asking because the discussion gets sidetracked.

I doubt there is a concise answer, since everyone has their own interpretation of Scripture.

[Robert]

God never changed His mind about how to be one of His children or to be forgiven of sin actually it was Adam and Eve that did the changing. God in Old Testament did say that there would be a new way many many times, told how it would happen with names, signs In fact Jesus name means Savior. Even in Moses day there were many false Prophets and magicians in the days of the Kings there were false ones too. God says you know it was me because it came true, simple. God is not manic nor changes His mind on a whim. We all know the story of Jonah and the whale but  that story is where God did change His mind in fact Jonah didnt want to go because he said your only going to save them anyway. Read it its really fun.

Bobbo I know you like science obviously you read science books and even in science there is much speculation and one refuting the findings of another or if you simply read part of a book on say making a new compound and then listen to others how to make it and then try making it yourself only to fail I think you get the point I am making.
 
It was plainly pointed out in a Bible verse that no man knows the day or hour not even Jesus. But it also says you will be able to tell by the signs that is why this man is even able to get anyone to even consider what he is saying. Because all the signs are starting to be there and that doesn't take a Christian to see whats happening in the world today. The Bible is a book but it is a spiritual book too so if you just read it you may not get the correct info but when the Spirit reveals the words to you then you will have a true revelation on that part of scripture it is the Spirit that bears witness with our Spirit and reveals the meaning of the words in the Bible.

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[ricoman]

Hey, can we move on from this stuff?
Talk about your Valk, a ride you took, or a grandkid-enough already!!
I'd rather read another oil thread for cryin' out loud!!

[Stormrider65]

Ricoman, I agree totally.  When its time, its time.  The only thing anyone can do is to enjoy what we have and TRY(notice I said TRY) to love one another and love God.  That horse is not getting up any time too soon.  Better yet, LETS RIDE and enjoy it while we can!!!!!!!

Walt

[B]

This " life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance " ... LET'S RIDE!!!