God bless America! yeah, right.

[stormrider]

Anyone out there feel like fighting for our rights.

Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches	powered by Aeva

[Master Blaster]

Thats the problem when dipshits like this get the taste of a little power.  I hope he can have their asses over this and get well compensated.  Ive seen the type too many times, its no isolated incident.  Think what it will be like when they disarm the public.

[NiteRiderF6]

Well, that's 4 or 5 more LEO's who are going down...

This guy has a law suit and he doesn't sound like he is going away quietly....

I'd be L I V I D if that happened to me or any member of my family....

Wrong is Wrong... Wake UP America!

I've had US Border Patrol try to pull that dog thing on me down on the Mexico border as well as at Falfurias, he's right though, they can't search without probable cause.

[Challenger]

And it's only going to get worse, thanks to the bull sh@! home land securty crap. I foresee the day in the near future when we will have to show our passport to cross state lines. Even with all the brave young people in our military fighting for our freedom, we are slowly loosing it.  (Can you say politics boys & girls)

[Earl in Pensacola]

I doubt that this is a true accounting.  It seems odd that I didn't see anything in the news.  Sure would like to be able to follow this to it's conclusion.

[gregc]

  Ok that is how he says it went down.  Wonder what the truth is, how much of a hard time did he give them.

[Stanley Steamer]

"weren't working" during the time this was happening...I hope that if he's telling all the truth, that he gets some justice!!...

[Michael K (Az.)]

Latest update on this story.

http://www.yumasun.com/news/checkpoint_49470___article.html/claims_beaten.html

[R J]

"weren't working" during the time this was happening...I hope that if he's telling all the truth, that he gets some justice!!...

Stanley, there is always 2 sides to every story.  1 side is the truth and the other side is a lie.   As a retired LEO, that some times is hard to determine in the field.   So when in doubt, do what the LEO's did, arrest him.......

On the windows deal, apparently they were both rolled up.   You have to take someone out of a vehicle, you have to have access.   Pop goes the windows.   Both sides at the same time, just in case he has a gun or a knife........

[Stanley Steamer]

His side, their side, and what actually happened....even with video, if there wasn't good audio to go along with it, then even the video might not give the "true" story...I'm sure the guy may be leaving out something....just saying that IF it is as he says it is, then there should be an accounting!!!

[Brad]

The problem that I have with a lawsuit is that we have to pay the money.  The government only has the money that they steal from us.  Here in Nevada the State and the Federal Government have been suing each other for years over Yucca Mountain.  So we get to pay both sides of the lawsuit on that one.  The school district just paid out 500,000 because they were unable to prevent a kid from getting picked on.  I do not condone many of these things that happen but I sure as hell shouldn't have to pay for them. 
 

[daytona]

The problem that I have with a lawsuit is that we have to pay the money.  The government only has the money that they steal from us.  Here in Nevada the State and the Federal Government have been suing each other for years over Yucca Mountain.  So we get to pay both sides of the lawsuit on that one.  The school district just paid out 500,000 because they were unable to prevent a kid from getting picked on.  I do not condone many of these things that happen but I sure as hell shouldn't have to pay for them. 
 

A-men on that comment It should have been 110 stitches!!! Their boarder patrol Let them do their job and get on with it! Or maybe this whiney pastor is one that wants all gods creatures to roam where they might! get a grip folks!

[MNBill]

This sounds like a great idea. Rub some dope on the side of a guy’s car and have him go up to the checkpoint acting like a nut. Have him tie up all the Border Agents as well as one lane of the crossing while you slip your load through in the other lanes. Besides that record it all so he can sue later. Wonder how much he got paid?

Guess I think different than other folks.

[stormrider]

Got an email from a fellow VRCC member about this preacher man. It appears he might be somewhat of an antagonist. But so be it. It seems the boder patrol knows this person. So be it. If they knew he was looking for a fight, use some restraint and don't even acknowledge him. Like back in school with the prick that was always trying to test you, just send him on his way. And they may have been doing so for some time. His may be a self instigated incident to prove a point but in light of a previous post and the speed with which our country is headed towards a totalitarian govt, we all need to be vigilant if we value our freedom.

Who has your back?

www.southernnationalcongress.org

[MITCH]

The hole incandesce could have been avoided by simply opening his trunk letting them do there job, no foul no harm five minutes or less and you resume your trip home.

[PharmBoy]

Something simular happened to me a number of years ago.  About 10:30PM my phone rang and it was the police dispatcher requesting me to go to my hanger at the airport with no farther explanation.  Upon arriving at the hanger I found two sheriff's deputies and two city policemen & the dip sh#t dog which the dip sh#t policeman had trained.  I knew them all.  They explained that they had been checking everyone's hanger with the dog, but mine was the only one that the dog "hit on" and asked me if I would open the hanger door.  Upon opening the hanger door, this stupid dog went straight to the open end of the pipe where the mouse had disappeared into.  Still, I was asked to open my baggage compartment which the dog had no interest in.  When I asked if he wanted to put the dog in the baggage compartment, I was quickly told NO and that I could now lock up the hanger.  I was enjoying this experience by now.  Three of the four guys were nice and we chatted for a while before I left for home.  I could just have easily ended up in jail with lumps on my head or worse (This was back in the days before the tazer).  It only cost me a little time and I gained a little knowledge.  The guy that trained the dip sh#t dog really was a dip sh#t as I had always suspected...JTL   

[Chrisj CMA]

This guys' response at the Yuma checkpoint seems a lot like the way some end of the world doomsday conspiracy therorists claim you are supposed to behave.  This is exactly how they describe the way to get through the martial law checkpoints.  They believe DHS will set up these stops to weed out those right wing extremists that will  cause the civil unrest that will bring national martial law.  He most likely was a large factor in how they treated him.

[fiddle mike]

And it's only going to get worse, thanks to the bull sh@! home land securty crap. I foresee the day in the near future when we will have to show our passport to cross state lines. Even with all the brave young people in our military fighting for our freedom, we are slowly loosing it.  (Can you say politics boys & girls)

If they've been fighting for our freedom, then why are we less free?

[Skinhead]

under the constitution.  What border did this guy cross that the BORDER PATROL has the right to stop him in the first place.  While I consider myself a law abiding citizen, I have been told to not talk to the police.  I have nothing against police, I feel they have a lousy job, and deal with nothing but a$$holes all day.  I was a military policeman and that experience taught me I didn't want to be a cop.  I was also a dog handler, what was the alert the dog gave that gave them probable cause to search?  If the dog alerted, that gives them a reason to go through the hassle of getting a search warrant, I don't know if it gives them the right to search. 

If the pastor is telling the truth, I would say he was well within his rights to refuse to allow them to search without a warrant.  If you allow yourself or your property to be searched with out a warrant for convienience sake to be on your way, that is one more right you have given up.  If you stand your ground and refuse, you will probably be inconvenienced, but you do not deserve to be beaten and tazed.  I doubt a judge would issue a search warrant on such weak probable cause as a alledged "alert" with no other evidence.

I think border patrol (us) will be paying on this one IF the Pastor is telling the truth.

The decoy theory does sound probable, kind of like the sober designated drunk that ties the cops up at closing time so the real drunks can get away from the bar.

Sheithouse lawyer OUT!

[suthrncop]

I am not going to get into the right or wrong of the whole thing, just gonna answer a question..If a dog alerts on a vehicle the leo has the right to search the vehicle...no search warrant needed. it is the vehicle exception to a search warrant.  Due to the mobility of a vehicle all that is needed is probable cause, period and a trained dog alerting to the vehicle is probable cause to conduct the search.....is  this right or wrong, I am not getting into that, the dogs reliability and everything else should (but isn't) considered....If the dog alerted, they had the right to search...like it or not...  criminals are often given to many rights..the leo was using a tool the courts have given him.

[kipmilam]

There was a time in my life where I would have automatically believed the officers.  Unfortunately that time is long past. 

[FLAVALK]

I suspect there's more to it than the good preacher says. However, had he been Mexican, I doubt the BP would have done any of the things they did to him. If they had, everyone in the world would know about it by now. 

[Skinhead]

I am not going to get into the right or wrong of the whole thing, just gonna answer a question..If a dog alerts on a vehicle the leo has the right to search the vehicle...no search warrant needed. it is the vehicle exception to a search warrant.  Due to the mobility of a vehicle all that is needed is probable cause, period and a trained dog alerting to the vehicle is probable cause to conduct the search.....is  this right or wrong, I am not getting into that, the dogs reliability and everything else should (but isn't) considered....If the dog alerted, they had the right to search...like it or not...  criminals are often given to many rights..the leo was using a tool the courts have given him.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Does the suspect have the right to know how the dog alerts?  If the LEO walks a dog past the vehicle and says he alerts, it's just the LEO's word.  Don't mean to start anything, just curious.  It's been 30 years since I had anything to do with such affairs.

[Tim D.]

I don't know if anyone has ever listened to the G. Gordon Liddy radio show, but he is a lawyer (at least he was before his 9 felony convictions from Watergate) and he says that you should ALWAYS comply with any LEO or other authority figure.  You may not like it, it may be a violation of your rights, you may be mad a hell, but comply.  While you are complying you can tell the LEO (calmly, without being verbally abusive) that he is violating your rights, and that you intend to file a complaint and may bring legal action (a lawsuit), but do whatever he tells you.  If they ask for your permission to search you or your car you can refuse to give it, but do not try to stop them.  Do not resist search or arrest.  Once the incident is over, then you can go after the offending person legally.  It's the best way to keep from getting hurt or having your a$$ waxed like the idiot in the video.  It's also the best way to defend your rights in that situation.

[Skinhead]

I don't know if anyone has ever listened to the G. Gordon Liddy radio show, but he is a lawyer (at least he was before his 9 felony convictions from Watergate) and he says that you should ALWAYS comply with any LEO or other authority figure.  You may not like it, it may be a violation of your rights, you may be mad a hell, but comply.  While you are complying you can tell the LEO (calmly, without being verbally abusive) that he is violating your rights, and that you intend to file a complaint and may bring legal action (a lawsuit), but do whatever he tells you.  If they ask for your permission to search you or your car you can refuse to give it, but do not try to stop them.  Do not resist search or arrest.  Once the incident is over, then you can go after the offending person legally.  It's the best way to keep from getting hurt or having your a$$ waxed like the idiot in the video.  It's also the best way to defend your rights in that situation.

I agree and would not resist,  but you do not have to consent to a search or answer questions.  As I said in my earlier post, you may be inconvenienced and/or detained if you refuse to answer questions, but resisting or being abusive will get you no where.