Local high school forced to observe Levitical law

[Bobbo]

Jewish valedictorian refuses to use electricity and microphone for graduation ceremony during Shavuot, forces school to prerecord speech...

http://news.yahoo.com/video/sacramentocbs13-15751210/valedictorian-chooses-faith-over-speech-25503970



Ok, Ok...  I'm posting this to show how silly previous posts about similar occurrences where someone thought a high school and town were being taken over by Sharia law.  If this were a Muslim student, I'm sure some would be up in arms about it...   

[G-Man]

What a reach, Bobbo.   The only thing going on here is that a speach will be pre-recorded, no different than lip synching.  She is going to attend, will be following all of the rules and regulations that all the other graduates and attendees will be following.  She's not gonna wear the Israeli flag.  She is not "demanding" anything that would change the program or force others to do something they wouldn't want to do.  Nobodies human rights are in violation here as they are throughout Sharia law.  As a matter of fact, the school and community seem to embrace this girl's decision because they know she is being true to herself, and her school, without one interfering with the other.

A pre-recorded speach?  Compared to acts of Sharia law?  Really?

There is no way I'm going to go back and forth with you on this one because this is silly.

[Bobbo]

What a reach, Bobbo.   The only thing going on here is that a speach will be pre-recorded, no different than lip synching.  She is going to attend, will be following all of the rules and regulations that all the other graduates and attendees will be following.  She's not gonna wear the Israeli flag.  She is not "demanding" anything that would change the program or force others to do something they wouldn't want to do.  Nobodies human rights are in violation here as they are throughout Sharia law.  As a matter of fact, the school and community seem to embrace this girl's decision because they know she is being true to herself, and her school, without one interfering with the other.

A pre-recorded speach?  Compared to acts of Sharia law?  Really?

There is no way I'm going to go back and forth with you on this one because this is silly.

Thanks for agreeing with me that this is accepted behavior for schools and governments.  If you do a search here for "Sharia" you will see many posted examples of similar behavior, only to see the post and responses decrying that the US is being taken over by Sharia law.

Obviously, you didn't get the subtleties of my post, and for that I apologize.

[Chrisj CMA]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

[ArmyValker]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

(opening can o' worms)

How are government allowances for Sharia Law different from government allowances for Christian philosophy ... ?

I mean, there will always be human rights protections, but outside of that, I don't see a problem.

[musclehead]

"welcome to Shelbyville" anyone seen this on PBS?

supposedly this is a hit peice directed at the 'racist' mostly white town of Shelbyville TN. I have not seen it. the show documents how the town is dealing with and influx of sunni somali's. the tyson plant was raided by ICE and lost a good deal of their hispanic employees. I have no idea how the somali's ended up there, but they have filled the employment gap. there have been many culture clashes caused by a difference in values and I believe religion. the Somalis insist on dealing with a man when they go to a store, they refuse to deal with a female clerk. they don't want to pay the price listed and always want to haggle.

the differences in religion show up when they insist on with deference for their religious values but ignore your religion.

the company I work for pulls tyson loads all the time, the next time I'm in that plant I'm going to have a long talk to gate gaurd.

[Chrisj CMA]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

(opening can o' worms)

How are government allowances for Sharia Law different from government allowances for Christian philosophy ... ?

I mean, there will always be human rights protections, but outside of that, I don't see a problem.

If you can even ask how sharia law would be different from christian references or allowances (as you put it), then you understand neither!

Christians dont ask to be allowed to murder their family members if they think a disgrace has taken place........there ya go, one BIG difference

[Ice]

DONT YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO THAN ARGUE?????? 

[Chrisj CMA]

DONT YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO THAN ARGUE?????? 

I would say arguing and complaning about arguing are equally as productive. Peace 

[Bobbo]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

You may be mistaken in your statement.  Our Constitution allows people to observe their religious laws to the extent where they don't violate US laws or others rights.  In the case I sited, the school was well within their limits to allow this person to stay true to her religious laws.  A previous thread discussed a coach in Dearborn Michigan who allowed the players to practice at night so they could stay true to their religious laws during Ramadan.  That incident sparked the "US taken over by Sharia law" controversy. 

[Chrisj CMA]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

You may be mistaken in your statement.  Our Constitution allows people to observe their religious laws to the extent where they don't violate US laws or others rights.  In the case I sited, the school was well within their limits to allow this person to stay true to her religious laws.  A previous thread discussed a coach in Dearborn Michigan who allowed the players to practice at night so they could stay true to their religious laws during Ramadan.  That incident sparked the "US taken over by Sharia law" controversy.  

No, the constitution allows WORSHIP in whatever faith you choose.  The consstitution does not give space for anyone of a different religion to have thier own law

[Bobbo]

The difference here, is that there is NO ROOM in America for sharia law in any way shape of form.  Is not even practicing a religion.  All those who demand changes or adaptations according to or because of sharia law should be laughed out of court, out of town and out of the country.  We start allowing more of that and before you know it YOU will be begging for the government to grant YOU exceptions to the new laws.......

IT MUST BE STOPPED WHILE ITS IN INFANCY in America

You may be mistaken in your statement.  Our Constitution allows people to observe their religious laws to the extent where they don't violate US laws or others rights.  In the case I sited, the school was well within their limits to allow this person to stay true to her religious laws.  A previous thread discussed a coach in Dearborn Michigan who allowed the players to practice at night so they could stay true to their religious laws during Ramadan.  That incident sparked the "US taken over by Sharia law" controversy.  

No, the constitution allows WORSHIP in whatever faith you choose.  The consstitution does not give space for anyone of a different religion to have thier own law

Following religious laws and commandments IS part of worship.  Would you like the government telling you that you can pray, but cannot follow the Ten Commandments?

[Chrisj CMA]

Bobbo you have bitten off a rotten edge of this agument.  No religion is allowed to be exempt from the law or make their own based on religion. You are just sounding rediculous here.......why would America, whose laws are based largely on the ten commandments tell anyone thay cannot follow them.  Additionally the ones that want sharia dont follow the ten commandments (by choice anyway), they think they should be able to murder (for example)

[Bobbo]

Bobbo you have bitten off a rotten edge of this agument.  No religion is allowed to be exempt from the law or make their own based on religion. You are just sounding rediculous here.......why would America, whose laws are based largely on the ten commandments tell anyone thay cannot follow them.  Additionally the ones that want sharia dont follow the ten commandments (by choice anyway), they think they should be able to murder (for example)

No mention was made about ignoring US laws, only following religious laws within the scope of US laws.

American laws based on the Ten Commandments?!  Hogwash!!  The only two that coincide with US laws are #6 and #8, and those are universally accepted laws that predate Judaism.  Actually US laws violate the First Commandment by allowing anyone to have a different god before or instead of the Abrahamic god.  The Third Commandment is violated by our free speech laws.

Speaking of those commandments, how do you explain the majority of Christians blatantly violating the Second Commandment?  Christians claim Jesus is in Heaven, yet commonly have pictures and other graven images, like statues of Him.  The Second Commandment expressly forbids images of anything in the heavens, below the Earth, or in the water.

[Chrisj CMA]

bye bye Bobbo..........youre off the deep end

[BigAl]

What's your point Bubba?    er Bobbo.

AL

[Robert]

G Man hit the nail on the head, Just the usual bs a seemingly innocent statement the only problem is Bobbo is so far off the deep end he has become blind and cant even understand differences

[Bobbo]

bye bye Bobbo..........youre off the deep end

I don't blame you for not wanting to respond to difficult and troubling questions...

[Bobbo]

G Man hit the nail on the head, Just the usual bs a seemingly innocent statement the only problem is Bobbo is so far off the deep end he has become blind and cant even understand differences

Can you explain the difference between a high school allowing a student to follow her Jewish religious convictions and a different high school allowing their students to follow their Muslim religious convictions?

Like G-Man, it seems my point was too subtle for a few to understand.  I'll be more direct.  My OP was written in the same manner as a few previous posts warning that a school and town were taken over by Sharia law due to a coach holding football practice after hours to allow a few Muslim students to observe Ramadan.  I disagree that either act was improper, and both are well within legal limits for the school and government.
 

[fudgie]

Can you explain the difference between a high school allowing a student to follow her Jewish religious convictions and a different high school allowing their students to follow their Muslim religious convictions?

Like G-Man, it seems my point was too subtle for a few to understand.  I'll be more direct.  My OP was written in the same manner as a few previous posts warning that a school and town were taken over by Sharia law due to a coach holding football practice after hours to allow a few Muslim students to observe Ramadan.  I disagree that either act was improper, and both are well within legal limits for the school and government.
 

Yes you make a good point. My answer, clean up a bit, is that the Muslims are not very well accepted.

[G-Man]

I tried....but My fingers are itching too much.

Bobbo, your example of how one religion is given leway (sp?) and how another religion is not is a bad one here because you are not comparing similar things, for all of the reasons everyone is giving you. 

In your examples, one religion is not causing anyone to change anything at all.  The comencement program will go on at the same time, officiated by the same people, same attendees, with the only adjustment being a pre-recorded speach.  This impacts nobody at all.  On the other side, a practice was forced to be held at a different time, which may or may not have impacted anyone, but there was a real change made to suit a specific religion.  In my opinion, neither of these warrants outrage, but they are still different.

As far as sharia law is concerned, I believe folks in this country are well within reason to be concerned.  We have been shown "pockets" of communities abroad where the law of the "land" is NOT being practiced in these communities, Sharia law is.  Women are oppressed and hurt and children are taught to hate "infidels" in countries like England (for example).  The local police are even avoiding these communities because they are afraid of getting involved or hurt.  As more and more Muslims enter this country, more and more will bring over their laws and beliefs (as other immigrants have done before them).  As you know, poeple enjoy the ability to be around their "own".  The Bronx has a huge West Indian community, Brooklyn has a huge Polish community and a larger Russian community.  Folks are afraid of large Muslim communities developing because they see what has happened elsewhere.  And here, in this way too liberal country, we'll be afraid to take action against such communities until it is already too late.  We have already heard the stories of women being beaten and even beheaded right here in the USA, under the guise of sharia law.  Should we NOT be concerned???

[Bobbo]

I tried....but My fingers are itching too much.

Bobbo, your example of how one religion is given leway (sp?) and how another religion is not is a bad one here because you are not comparing similar things, for all of the reasons everyone is giving you. 

In your examples, one religion is not causing anyone to change anything at all.  The comencement program will go on at the same time, officiated by the same people, same attendees, with the only adjustment being a pre-recorded speach.  This impacts nobody at all.  On the other side, a practice was forced to be held at a different time, which may or may not have impacted anyone, but there was a real change made to suit a specific religion.  In my opinion, neither of these warrants outrage, but they are still different.

As far as sharia law is concerned, I believe folks in this country are well within reason to be concerned.  We have been shown "pockets" of communities abroad where the law of the "land" is NOT being practiced in these communities, Sharia law is.  Women are oppressed and hurt and children are taught to hate "infidels" in countries like England (for example).  The local police are even avoiding these communities because they are afraid of getting involved or hurt.  As more and more Muslims enter this country, more and more will bring over their laws and beliefs (as other immigrants have done before them).  As you know, poeple enjoy the ability to be around their "own".  The Bronx has a huge West Indian community, Brooklyn has a huge Polish community and a larger Russian community.  Folks are afraid of large Muslim communities developing because they see what has happened elsewhere.  And here, in this way too liberal country, we'll be afraid to take action against such communities until it is already too late.  We have already heard the stories of women being beaten and even beheaded right here in the USA, under the guise of sharia law.  Should we NOT be concerned???

Since you are focusing on details, let's explore that.  In the case of the valedictorian, changes were made.  A recording session was scheduled, and then extra equipment was needed to accommodate the recording.  In the case of the football team, almost all of the team members were Muslim who observed Ramadan.  The coach rearranged the schedule temporarily to accommodate his team.  These details are both insignificantly small.

As I said in previous posts, schools and courts do this all the time, and I consider it constitutional.

As far a crazy religious kooks, I agree we need to clamp down on them.  This certainly isn't limited to Muslim groups, and it isn't a new phenomenon.  There are groups near where I live that teach their children to hate Jews and Blacks.  It's just that Islam is the targeted group du jour...

[Bonzo]

Hey do they still make footballs out of Pig Skin?

[Oldswimr]

Immigrants have integrated their customs into the thread of American society FOREVER. Good bad or otherwise. There are drug and music cultures killing each other off in our bigger urban areas, Detroit, Chicago, etc.

Sharia Law is hot because of recent history. Most folks weren't familiar with the concept before 9/11.

If you want change, or to maintain the status quo, you have to be active in that direction.

Honestly, I don't think we have it in the majority of the current political leadership to make real, positive lasting changes. Generally, all systems created by men tend towards chaos and dissarray. History proves that. Our history as well as the history of other nations. Socialist countries with apathetic governments are declining quicker, but we're well on our way. So buy a sticker, or a fridge magnet, make some real change....yeesh.