Grrrrrrrrrr (Political, very political)

[G-Man]

Obama (snickering): "The shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready"
Audience: Laughter

Incredible, a TRILLION dollar blunder dismissed as a joke.  This was in response to a statement on how the project permitting process in this country can take from months to years and also winds up with projects being abandoned.  I've heard arguments that the Pres doesn't have to have experience in business to do the job.  Really?  Seems to me that anyone in business knows this little tidbit.

But again, we should have spent more, right?  And people continue to stand behind this insanity.  

2012 can't come soon enough!

[Bobbo]

This blunder was apparently caused by a confusing and red-tape laden Federal construction permit process.  It's too bad this legacy wasn't corrected over the past 10 years.

[Disco]

Subtle, Bobbo, but my interpretation of your post is that the fact that it wasn't corrected over the last 10 years is 80% Bush's fault.   

[Bobbo]

Subtle, Bobbo, but my interpretation of your post is that the fact that it wasn't corrected over the last 10 years is 80% Bush's fault.   

The President doesn't control this, Congress does.

[MP]

All of us out here in the real world knew when "shovel ready" was proposed, that it was not possible, just because it takes time for these things to happen. People with business experience know this.

How is it that the great and brilliant Obama was so ignorant of this fact?

Maybe because of no experience in the real world of business?  Zero, Nada.

When told that shovel ready did not exist, he laughed it off, and said those that knew better, did not.

Well, he was wrong.  But, guess who has been hurt?  Not him, but the workers of the USA.

MP

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Obama (snickering): "The shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready"
Audience: Laughter

Incredible, a TRILLION dollar blunder dismissed as a joke.  This was in response to a statement on how the project permitting process in this country can take from months to years and also winds up with projects being abandoned.  I've heard arguments that the Pres doesn't have to have experience in business to do the job.  Really?  Seems to me that anyone in business knows this little tidbit.

But again, we should have spent more, right?  And people continue to stand behind this insanity.  

2012 can't come soon enough!

You miss the entire point, and from the tone of your post, aren't really interested in a dialogue... just to whine.  Bring on another.

[Chrisj CMA]

The Obama stimulus was a complete success for him.  His aim was to borrow a huge lump of cash.  Give it to folks that dont deserve it (but will vote for him)and now make the well off folks that didnt agree with it (and wont vote for him) PAY for it.  He calls it "spreading the wealth around"  Remember what he told Joe the Plumber.  There should really be no surprise, this is the change he promised.

[G-Man]

Obama (snickering): "The shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready"
Audience: Laughter

Incredible, a TRILLION dollar blunder dismissed as a joke.  This was in response to a statement on how the project permitting process in this country can take from months to years and also winds up with projects being abandoned.  I've heard arguments that the Pres doesn't have to have experience in business to do the job.  Really?  Seems to me that anyone in business knows this little tidbit.

But again, we should have spent more, right?  And people continue to stand behind this insanity.  

2012 can't come soon enough!

You miss the entire point, and from the tone of your post, aren't really interested in a dialogue... just to whine.  Bring on another.

Again, nothing real to add, just the YOU know better.  Go peddle your crap somewhere else already.

[Brad]

We got a brand spanking new fire station built with stimulus money.  An empty worthless fire station that may never be used because the county cannot afford to equip or man the station because that cost a lot more than building the thing.

We also got a nice paved road from hi way 50 to sand mountain.  Sand mountain is and off road vehicle play area that we have been using the dirt road for years to get to.  If you can't make it down the dirt road you have no reason to be at sand mountain.

Other than providing construction jobs both of these projects provide no return to the community.

[Varmintmist]

If you wanted to spend stimulus money where it would have done some good, they would have replaced military equipment. Puts people to work, AND the job needs to be done.

But that would go against common sense and reason.

[Chrisj CMA]

If you wanted to spend stimulus money where it would have done some good, they would have replaced military equipment. Puts people to work, AND the job needs to be done.

But that would go against common sense and reason.

"IF"

[musclehead]

This blunder was apparently caused by a confusing and red-tape laden Federal construction permit process.  It's too bad this legacy wasn't corrected over the past 10 years.

when you build the road does it continue to provide jobs?  don't get me wrong we need better infrastructure our roads are a mess. the government does NOT create jobs, the private sector does.

are you saying that red tape is bad? so we agree we need a smaller govrnment?

[Bobbo]

This blunder was apparently caused by a confusing and red-tape laden Federal construction permit process.  It's too bad this legacy wasn't corrected over the past 10 years.

when you build the road does it continue to provide jobs?  don't get me wrong we need better infrastructure our roads are a mess. the government does NOT create jobs, the private sector does.

are you saying that red tape is bad? so we agree we need a smaller govrnment?

Unnecessary red tape is bad.  Bureaucracy and red tape seem to build up over time.  They need to be cleaned out and streamlined occasionally.  We should always be strive for a smaller, more efficient government.

[RoadKill]

The problem is that any Gov't dollars spent jobs are dollars confiscated from the working tax payer to be redistributed and on top of that retarded accounting,there are WAY TOO MANY MIDDLE MEN ! Every one that touches those dollars before they get to the last employee in the chain takes a cut. The last one on the totem pole gets pocket lint and they are usually the ones doing all the work with out credit or fair wage compensation and that leads to a serious lack of motivation.   that is how i see it and YMMV

[RoadKill]

This blunder was apparently caused by a confusing and red-tape laden Federal construction permit process.  It's too bad this legacy wasn't corrected over the past 10 years.

when you build the road does it continue to provide jobs?  don't get me wrong we need better infrastructure our roads are a mess. the government does NOT create jobs, the private sector does.

are you saying that red tape is bad? so we agree we need a smaller govrnment?

Unnecessary red tape is bad.  Bureaucracy and red tape seem to build up over time.  They need to be cleaned out and streamlined occasionally.  We should always be strive for a smaller, more efficient government.

Who was it that said we need revolution evry 100 yrs? was that Ben Franklin?

[Walküre]

the government does NOT create jobs, the private sector does.

Yup, it's done a GREAT job, with the lowest taxes in about 80 years...that's why unemployment is at an all-time low...oh, it's not???

Well, at least corporate PROFIT is...and that's what's MOST important, after all....

Geez....

R

[musclehead]

This blunder was apparently caused by a confusing and red-tape laden Federal construction permit process.  It's too bad this legacy wasn't corrected over the past 10 years.

when you build the road does it continue to provide jobs?  don't get me wrong we need better infrastructure our roads are a mess. the government does NOT create jobs, the private sector does.

are you saying that red tape is bad? so we agree we need a smaller govrnment?

Unnecessary red tape is bad.  Bureaucracy and red tape seem to build up over time.  They need to be cleaned out and streamlined occasionally.  We should always be strive for a smaller, more efficient government.

I agree, we have so much bureaucracy the bureaucrats can't penetrate it

[LandElephant]

The problem with public sector jobs or "Shovel Ready" is that they may have saved some jobs in the short term and added some stimulus for purchasing materials, but Did they create a long term job for the investment.

You mentioned a new fire house for the county.  Did it create any long term jobs?  Is it creating property tax or income? The hidden cost is that it will now take city, county, or state funds to maintain it.  More of YOUR tax dollars.  Is there a return on investment?  It appears at this time NO.

Someone mentioned a new road.  Again was any long term jobs created?  What revenues will it generate?  Who will now have to pay for the maintenance of this road?  Your tax dollars.

Private capital projects create jobs when completed and revenues (taxes) and are not paid for by YOUR tax dollars.  They touch a larger segment of the economy and although they produce profits (ugly word for liberals) there isn't a drain on the already leaking federal budget.

Slam me if you what.  The stimulus was thought out by acadamians who had limited experience in real world understanding of how deep a private capital project can reach.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[Bobbo]

The problem with public sector jobs or "Shovel Ready" is that they may have saved some jobs in the short term and added some stimulus for purchasing materials, but Did they create a long term job for the investment.

You mentioned a new fire house for the county.  Did it create any long term jobs?  Is it creating property tax or income? The hidden cost is that it will now take city, county, or state funds to maintain it.  More of YOUR tax dollars.  Is there a return on investment?  It appears at this time NO.

Someone mentioned a new road.  Again was any long term jobs created?  What revenues will it generate?  Who will now have to pay for the maintenance of this road?  Your tax dollars.

Private capital projects create jobs when completed and revenues (taxes) and are not paid for by YOUR tax dollars.  They touch a larger segment of the economy and although they produce profits (ugly word for liberals) there isn't a drain on the already leaking federal budget.

Slam me if you what.  The stimulus was thought out by acadamians who had limited experience in real world understanding of how deep a private capital project can reach.

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

I think you have inadvertently answered your own questions.  First, firehouses and roads are not businesses, they are infrastructure, things that facilitate business and livelihoods.  Businesses would suffer if employees couldn't get to work, or if their building burned down.

You ask about long term jobs, then lament that these infrastructure projects need maintenance.  Those are the long term jobs!  Yes, taxes pay for infrastructure, since taxes are intended for that purpose!