And those of us who knew it all along

[Chrisj CMA]

caught grief.  Well now its in the open.  It's a fake.  But nothing will happen.  If it were you or me, we'd be in cuffs by now!

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/06/obama-forgers-admit-they-produced-phony-documents/

[Oss]

I dont have a horse in the race but

Obama is quoted today on the Weiner matter as saying

"If it was me i would resign"

Weiner is the congressman from ny who it is alleged, sent a tweet of his, well, weiner




What a sad commentary on the state of affairs of politics in the United States today

Both sides make forgeries what is real and what is illusion.

makes me start humming the lyrics from all along the watchtower

nobody is of his word......

this is the original track , not the one off Ladyland

Jimi Hendrix All along the watchtower (Original take)	powered by Aeva

Oss out

[ValhallaIamComing]

Obama is officially playing "Hide the Weiner!" 

[Bobbo]

This reminds me of the "absolute irrefutable proof" some "experts" claimed that NASA photographs taken from the surface of the moon during Apollo were faked.  

These people claim artifacts and other effects produced by the electronic/optical/mechanical limitations of the scanner and translator software show proof of a forgery much the same way as the Apollo conspiracy theorists did with camera artifacts.

All this proves is that people with a political agenda will use whatever means available, especially if it involves technical interpretation not easily understood by non-technical people.

I don't claim that this birth certificate is absolutely genuine, as no one can do that.  What I see as proof of forgery can be explained with an understanding of scanner technology and how scanner software attempts to correct and modify scanned documents to make them easier to work with.

[Breeze]

Political damage control gone bad. Donald, were are you now? Is it me or do"most" of the government officials seem only to deceive, lie, and act dishonestly and bull sh!t their way through their term? (republican or democrat). And they want my guns. No wonder why. I'll keep my guns and you can keep "the change".  Another sad day in America if this is true.

[Bobbo]

Here's an interesting exchange between Mr Vogt, who claims to be a scanner expert because he sold scanners and software, and a REAL scanner expert who actually writes code and works with scanner technology:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/reply-to-douglas-vogt/

[DarkMeister]

I read as far as 'conservativebyte-dot-...meh.

I'll wait for the Faux News special on this.

 

[Bonzo]

The haters will keep digging, facts mean little
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

[Breeze]

The haters will keep digging, facts mean little
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

                                                                                                                                              Bonzo, a fact isn't something you choose to believe because you happen to agree with it. A fact is undeniable truth, and that hasn't been established yet. I will admit it is not proven either way. But to ignore the "FACT" that we all agree with views that we favor is irresponsible. You choose to see what you want to see just like all the rest of us. This is Obama's fault for not valuing his obligation to strictly following his duty as a president to provide undeniable proof that he is legit. It was "His" duty and burden to do so like all the other presidents. He brought this on himself. Like everything else, he did not take his duty to do so seriously. I do not hate him and am not a raciest. I wanted to see him do well. He hasn't done a good job and if you look at his record without bias you can see that is the truth and fact. I am an independent  and can hear both sides. and my vote does counts just as much.

[Walküre]

Read carefully, it says "THOSE guys over there, made up documents as satire", and "THESE guys, over HERE, are alleging the "official" one is fake!!", as if THOSE guys are saying they faked THESE "official" documents. The two are NOT one and the same, but the con-byte article would have you believe that THOSE are the same as THESE.

Oh well, they'll never quit trying to fool the easily fooled....

As for proving his citizenship, there IS not proof, that CERTAIN people will accept, even if they were there in the delivery room!! That's.....quite......obvious.......

R

[x]

This is Obama's fault for not valuing his obligation to strictly following his duty as a president to provide undeniable proof that he is legit.

You are so far off base here one can only wonder if you were educated in the United States.  Under our system of law, it is the accuser who holds the burden of proof.  If you want to assert that Obama is not an American citizen, it is up to you to prove that he is not an American citizen.
 
Like any American charged with anything, Obama is under no obligation whatsoever to prove that your allegations are false.  This is the basis of our entire criminal and civil law systems... the accuser has the burden of proof.
 
By your seriously erroneous line of reasoning, I could say that you are a rapist, and it would fall to you to prove that you are not.  You think that would fly with you?  I doubt it.

[alph]

does it really matter??  seriously?  if he were born in uganda, or were ever, then brought over as an infant, what's it really matter?....  by the time anything is done over it, he'll be voted out of office anyway!!  we'd be better off spending this energy in trying to solve some other issues.

[x]

caught grief.  Well now its in the open.  It's a fake.  But nothing will happen.  If it were you or me, we'd be in cuffs by now!

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/06/obama-forgers-admit-they-produced-phony-documents/

Hey, I've got some beautiful ocean front property in Arizona that I'd like to sell you.
 
C'mon, tell me this is really a wind up and you're not seriously posting this?

[x]

by the time anything is done over it, he'll be voted out of office anyway!! 

I do believe that he will be retiring from his second term before this issue goes away.  But I do agree with you that the energy should be focused on more important issues, like reining in Wall Street.

[Breeze]

This is Obama's fault for not valuing his obligation to strictly following his duty as a president to provide undeniable proof that he is legit.

You are so far off base here one can only wonder if you were educated in the United States.  Under our system of law, it is the accuser who holds the burden of proof.  If you want to assert that Obama is not an American citizen, it is up to you to prove that he is not an American citizen.
 
Like any American charged with anything, Obama is under no obligation whatsoever to prove that your allegations are false.  This is the basis of our entire criminal and civil law systems... the accuser has the burden of proof.
 
By your seriously erroneous line of reasoning, I could say that you are a rapist, and it would fall to you to prove that you are not.  You think that would fly with you?  I doubt it.

   No one is charging Obam with anything. Just in case you can't read very well I did not say that . All liberals take things out of context, Every president has an obligation to present his birth  certificate. In case you can't understand that, in our constitution a man or woman has to be an american born citizen, and show proof of birth, not as a criminal in a court of law. THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him. HE CAUSED THIS HIMSELF. This has nothing to do with our criminal court system. It's our great constitution that protects the people of this great country, and it is sloppy to neglect or go around it especially if you are the president . Every other president before him did this since it was a requirement of congress through our constitution. This is the first time one didn't comply with the constitution. He waited too long and gave the anti liberal press fuel for the fire. HIS FAULT.  

[POPS 57]

If you wanted to see my birth cert. It would only take the time for me to open my little safe to show everyone. It comes with little feet prints and everything. It should be that easy for everyone to do. If i did not have that i know where i was born and could go that way to prove it. But i was born in the good old U.S.A.  

[Breeze]

by the time anything is done over it, he'll be voted out of office anyway!! 

I do believe that he will be retiring from his second term before this issue goes away.  But I do agree with you that the energy should be focused on more important issues, like reining in Wall Street.

I do believe he will be retiring too, and not by his own choice even after raising nearly 1 billion dollars in contributions from people like George Source. We have seen enough.

[Bobbo]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

[Varmintmist]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

Because their fathers were not foregin nationals. You did see McCains because the libs were after him to produce his because he was born in Panama, on a US military base.

Its real simple. To get the job, you need to produce information that says you are a citizen. You are not reqiured to do it, but you are not required to get the job. If you want it, you produce it.

[hubcapsc]

If you wanted to see my birth cert. It would only take the time for me to open my little safe to show everyone. It comes with little feet prints and everything. It shoud be that easy for everyone to do. If i did not have that i know where i was born and could go that way to prove it. But i was born in the good old U.S.A. 

When I went to get my passport, I brought my "birth certificate"... like yours, the one on the official looking paper with all the seals
and stamps and signatures and footprints and stuff, brought home from the hospital in Greenville South Carolina where
I was born.

They found it unacceptable, and I had to wait several weeks to be sent some boring printout from Columbia (State Capitol)
that was accepted as "official"...

-Mike

[Bonzo]

The haters will keep digging, facts mean little
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

                                                                                                                                              Bonzo, a fact isn't something you choose to believe because you happen to agree with it. A fact is undeniable truth, and that hasn't been established yet. I will admit it is not proven either way. But to ignore the "FACT" that we all agree with views that we favor is irresponsible. You choose to see what you want to see just like all the rest of us. This is Obama's fault for not valuing his obligation to strictly following his duty as a president to provide undeniable proof that he is legit. It was "His" duty and burden to do so like all the other presidents. He brought this on himself. Like everything else, he did not take his duty to do so seriously. I do not hate him and am not a raciest. I wanted to see him do well. He hasn't done a good job and if you look at his record without bias you can see that is the truth and fact. I am an independent  and can hear both sides. and my vote does counts just as much.

Obama released everything that was asked.  Everything. Some fool in Pa. questioned his citizenship and McCain's. This mushroomed into this foolishness. Obama is a Citizen and  he is The President Of The United States. The citizens of this country voted him in and they can vote him out. That's our Democracy!.  This birth certificate stuff is BS and there are absolutely no reputable facts or real experts to back the birther's claim, none

[DarkMeister]

I won't point out what may be obvious - because I'm not sure - but I'm curious.

Let's leave the highest office out of it and take, for example, a congressman. One who may sit on a super-mega-robo-secret committee or three. Security cleared to the highest degree.

What I'm assuming here is that anyone running for, or winning a position would be cleared to hell and back. Background checks going back a generation or more. Are you who you say you are. Any questionable history. Any dirt, however minute, that may make you susceptible to pressure or black-mail. Surely any and all security vetting would have been done long ago, by qualified agencies.

Presumably this was also done for the top dude, too.

[Bobbo]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

Because their fathers were not foregin nationals. You did see McCains because the libs were after him to produce his because he was born in Panama, on a US military base.

Its real simple. To get the job, you need to produce information that says you are a citizen. You are not reqiured to do it, but you are not required to get the job. If you want it, you produce it.

We had six US Presidents before Obama with foreign born parents.

• Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish
• Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), mother born in England
• James Buchanan (1857-1861), father born in Ireland
• Chester Arthur (1881-1885), father born in Ireland
• Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921), mother born in England
• Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), mother born in Canada.

Where are the demands and public disclosure for these presidents?

[bradnw]

I normally stay away from this crap but

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=requirements+to+be+president

[G-Man]

I won't point out what may be obvious - because I'm not sure - but I'm curious.

Let's leave the highest office out of it and take, for example, a congressman. One who may sit on a super-mega-robo-secret committee or three. Security cleared to the highest degree.

What I'm assuming here is that anyone running for, or winning a position would be cleared to hell and back. Background checks going back a generation or more. Are you who you say you are. Any questionable history. Any dirt, however minute, that may make you susceptible to pressure or black-mail. Surely any and all security vetting would have been done long ago, by qualified agencies.

Presumably this was also done for the top dude, too.

Guess they didn't check weinie Weiner out to well either, hunh?   

[G-Man]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

Because their fathers were not foregin nationals. You did see McCains because the libs were after him to produce his because he was born in Panama, on a US military base.

Its real simple. To get the job, you need to produce information that says you are a citizen. You are not reqiured to do it, but you are not required to get the job. If you want it, you produce it.

We had six US Presidents before Obama with foreign born parents.

• Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish
• Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), mother born in England
• James Buchanan (1857-1861), father born in Ireland
• Chester Arthur (1881-1885), father born in Ireland
• Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921), mother born in England
• Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), mother born in Canada.

Where are the demands and public disclosure for these presidents?

How do you know there was no demand?  Maybe they were asked, and as gentlemen, presented it immediately so there was no heated, dragged out debate, and nobody was called a racist for asking. 

[G-Man]

I normally stay away from this crap but

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=requirements+to+be+president

Sure there are requirements, we ALL know they exist.  You're just not allowed to ask this guy to disclose them because of his skin color and/or because there may be a possibility that previous Presidents weren't asked to.   

[Bobbo]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

Because their fathers were not foregin nationals. You did see McCains because the libs were after him to produce his because he was born in Panama, on a US military base.

Its real simple. To get the job, you need to produce information that says you are a citizen. You are not reqiured to do it, but you are not required to get the job. If you want it, you produce it.

We had six US Presidents before Obama with foreign born parents.

• Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish
• Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), mother born in England
• James Buchanan (1857-1861), father born in Ireland
• Chester Arthur (1881-1885), father born in Ireland
• Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921), mother born in England
• Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), mother born in Canada.

Where are the demands and public disclosure for these presidents?

How do you know there was no demand?  Maybe they were asked, and as gentlemen, presented it immediately so there was no heated, dragged out debate, and nobody was called a racist for asking. 

You would sure think that all the Republicans and TEA party people would've pointed out the precedent that those six other Presidents set!  Like I said, why are we just hearing about this with the current President?  I think partisan politics have a lot more to do with it than race, just as the Palin email inquiry has little to do with sex.

[G-Man]

THE BURDEN IS ON THE PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE PROOF OF BIRTH AS QUALIFICATION, not as a criminal burden of proof in a court of law. He did not do that and has brought this on himself by not doing it like ALL the presidents before him.

If public disclosure of the "long form" birth certificate has been a requirement, and all presidents before him complied, why are we just now hearing about this?

I never saw Kennedy's, LBJ's, Nixon's, or ANY of our previous president's certificates.

Because their fathers were not foregin nationals. You did see McCains because the libs were after him to produce his because he was born in Panama, on a US military base.

Its real simple. To get the job, you need to produce information that says you are a citizen. You are not reqiured to do it, but you are not required to get the job. If you want it, you produce it.

We had six US Presidents before Obama with foreign born parents.

• Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish
• Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), mother born in England
• James Buchanan (1857-1861), father born in Ireland
• Chester Arthur (1881-1885), father born in Ireland
• Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921), mother born in England
• Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), mother born in Canada.

Where are the demands and public disclosure for these presidents?

How do you know there was no demand?  Maybe they were asked, and as gentlemen, presented it immediately so there was no heated, dragged out debate, and nobody was called a racist for asking. 

You would sure think that all the Republicans and TEA party people would've pointed out the precedent that those six other Presidents set!  Like I said, why are we just hearing about this with the current President?  I think partisan politics have a lot more to do with it than race, just as the Palin email inquiry has little to do with sex.

Why would you have to present precedent for a requirement?  To be fair?  This has nothing to do with fairness.

"Officer, why did you pull me over?  The other guys were going just as fast as I was!" 
"Hey Mr. Bouncer, you didn't card those guys, why are you carding me?"   I like this analogy better becase only one of the bunch is being asked for a requirement to enter the club.  Oranges to Oranges.

Even if it is a perfectly legit document, HE brought all this upon himself by waiting two years and spending millions to have the court cases thrown out.  Those who have nothing to hide don't throw away millions.  I'm amazed at the blind following and defending of a mortal man who has been shown to be less that reputable.