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Author Topic: The Religious history of the U.S. or separation of church and state you say  (Read 859 times)
bigvalkriefan
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« on: July 03, 2011, 10:25:34 AM »

Below is a link to the Library of Congress. I found it very interesting. It seems to shed some light on the intentions of our founding fathers concerning religion in government. Take a look at it and give your thoughts. Let's keep it civil and maybe we can have a healthy conversation about it.

Also I'm posting a small excerpt:
IV. Religion and the Congress of the Confederation, 1774-89

The Continental-Confederation Congress, a legislative body that governed the United States from 1774 to 1789, contained an extraordinary number of deeply religious men. The amount of energy that Congress invested in encouraging the practice of religion in the new nation exceeded that expended by any subsequent American national government. Although the Articles of Confederation did not officially authorize Congress to concern itself with religion, the citizenry did not object to such activities. This lack of objection suggests that both the legislators and the public considered it appropriate for the national government to promote a nondenominational, nonpolemical Christianity.

Congress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.

The first national government of the United States, was convinced that the "public prosperity" of a society depended on the vitality of its religion. Nothing less than a "spirit of universal reformation among all ranks and degrees of our citizens," Congress declared to the American people, would "make us a holy, that so we may be a happy people."




http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 12:10:44 PM »

I was watching one of my favorite movies yesterday while I was elevating my freshly broken toe........another story (not bike related) its Appolo 13.  Now when the ship was on its way back but no one knew if it would make it, there was a clip off TV from back in the day.  These (as far as I know/think) were actual clips, I do remember a couple of them even though I was a tad young.  The clip said that congress made a proclimation (or something like that) to ask all Americans to PRAY for a safe return. 

I cant imagine our liberal "God forsaken" government of today being able to do that even if they wanted to now, the "three athiests" that control the whole flavor of the government when it comes to anything God related would go "ape" and it would not be allowed.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 12:33:20 PM »

Rut ro.  I can see Bobbo twitching now.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 01:41:25 PM »

Rut ro.  I can see Bobbo twitching now.
-RP
Why, I dont think Bobbo is one of those 3 athiests that think they can irradicate God from America.  Nothing thats wrong with our government is his fault, unless of course hes one of the ones that voted 17 times for Obama, but even then I probably voted 4 or 5 times for him even though my real vote was for someone else.  So I wouldnt hold that against him.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 02:35:27 PM »

Feemf to me, af I fee it....I think their keyboard had a bad lower-s.  Cheesy

One need not be an atheist to see that 240 years have passed since that publication; that, regardless of religious persuasion, a modern society understands the need for separation of church and state.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2011, 02:39:07 PM »

I've always been more of a fan of Jefferson, personally...

http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2011, 03:22:52 PM »

Yes, there was quite a substantial push to include religious doctrine and requirements as this nation was formed.  Fortunately, the more astute founders, knowing what a disaster this caused in England, were able to keep religion out of the Constitution and Federal Government.

Jefferson was among those founders.  He was an intelligent, articulate, wise, and worldly man.  We are a much richer nation (and I don't mean money) to have this amazing man as one of our founders.   cooldude
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2011, 04:15:26 PM »

LMAO  RP 2funny

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2011, 04:30:32 PM »

Lost cause  2funny 2funny 2funny

Thanks for posting this it is awesome  cooldude cooldude
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2011, 07:34:08 AM »

I believe that our Founders meant Freedom OF Religion ( a choice), not Freedom FROM religion, ( a judicial government mandate)

After all, they came from England where the Church of England practically ran the government.

We are on the wrong track.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2011, 11:44:47 AM »

With the current state of the union, I really don't know what would help.

But as for me and mine, we will keep trusting the Lord for leadership and guidance through this tumultuous

time we are in.

That does not mean to run for cover or hunker down and wait./

But to live as abundantly as he allows us to.

Praising his name all the while.

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2011, 11:51:55 AM »

Yet another post to stir the minds of those who love to argue.
Argue, mind you, not solving anything.
Yawn, I'll wait for a post with substance.
Actually, I can't wait, I'm going for a ride.
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