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Author Topic: WOW, powerful short film on the treatment of our Veterans  (Read 756 times)
bigvalkriefan
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« on: July 05, 2011, 07:26:52 PM »

I had no idea that it is like this. We suck as a country if we can't do better than this.
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.....say to those with fearful hearts, "Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you."
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 07:38:00 PM »

I see and hear similar stories every week some time several a week. I work FT RILEY KS 2 days a week and the surrounding communities the rest of the week. These stories are so common it is physically sickening.  Sad
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 10:17:34 PM »

With 22 years worth of experiences in the Navy I have seen, assisted with, and personally experienced, some of the issues with spouses and those relationship/divorce/child support/custody issues and financial hardship and stress.  I have seen some great careers ruined, and people lives changed.... forever.  It has been happening for many years, and might now be coming to more of a head because of the number of repeated or back-to-back deployments our troops must do.  Not saying it doesn't happen in civilian life, but when a Soldier/Sailor/Marine or Airman is deployed, and this happens, it's like having your hands tied behind your back..... and literally being helpless.    This is a terrible situation that most civilians can't comprehend, but it surely isn't the only reason why some of our returning military commit suicide, there are many other reasons as well.  Some other reasons are the inability to adapt to civilian life, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, the economy or lack of related jobs or any jobs, financial hardship, or whatever other situation that drives them into a deep despair and depression.

During my career, I was married...., and divorced, three times (a glutton for punishment I know).  Each divorce was a little worse financially than the one before it, but somewhat easier to overcome emotionally and get thru.  Kids were involved as well, which only complicates and compounds the issues even more. I was called into court at my home state for unwarranted custody/support issues on two occasions. Fortunately, a woman judge  read between the lines and was on my side, but the lawyer retainer fees were already spent (no refunds there... even tho he didn't have to do a thing or say a word in court...really).  At the end of what would be my third, and last marriage, I was deployed on the West Coast and my 3rd wife, and kids from my 2nd wife, were living back in our home town on the east.  Without a long detailed story, I was persuaded to put in my retirement papers in hopes of saving my marriage...  at a time I was up for a significant promotion (O4) (I was an O3E filling an O4/O5 Dept Head Billet on a carrier).  Probably one of the worst decisions I could have made (aside from the decisions to get married to begin with) as the marriage was over anyhow - she just didn't tell me, but it was too late.  My family wasn't present at my retirement, I drove across country myself and came home to an empty house (and I mean empty - just a a bed and a small selection of cooking/dinnerware - what the law requires I guess).  I had to break into my own house to get inside, the locks and garage door code were changed, and speaking of change... even the change (coins) in my large whiskey bottle were gone...she didn't take the empty bottle tho.  My kids were lied to and brainwashed and kicked out and back to their unfit mother. I had to scramble to recover my wits, recover my kids  and protect what assets remained, then maintain a household.  My kids and I ultimately recovered for the most part, although I am estranged from the youngest and she has issues as well.  But I have a great relationship with the eldest (she knew and could see what was going on whereas the youngest did not).

I  truly  sympathize with our young troops that experience these significant life altering events, and wish there was some type of support system, emotional, legal and financial, that they could count on, even more so than what they have (with isn't much).  Obviously I don't think it's worth the taking of their own life, but can understand how some feel that way.  It's a shame.... a real shame....

My heart and prayers goes out to those men and women that go through this and other related  life changing events....may the good Lord look out for them in their time of need.
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 03:47:12 AM »

+1000 Amen to that.  It is, indeed, a shame.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 04:40:50 AM »

I spent my time in Nam... now I can NOT get VA benefits because they say i make to much money,,,
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 05:47:48 AM »

IN NY ( and I would hope the Soldiers and Sailors Act of 1933 applies everywhere) a tenant cant be evicted without 1st determining if they are in the military or a military dependent

This is to protect families and keep them from losing their apts while mom or dad is serving USA

It would be nice to see a similar bill passed for homeowners in the military to block foreclosures or the govmt pay mortgages for servicefolk on active duty.  I would not mind part of my tax money going to that kind of program Its better than paying women to have babies and not work any old day which is welfare today in the big city.


Despair and loss of hope such a shame  

Thank you for the post

It should be shown daily to congress and family court judges


I used to, back when I had a stronger stomach, do family law and divorce. It made me sick. The worst was Judge Judy.   I appeared before her.  I have nothing good to say of her so will leave it at that
The short film is spot on. There is no justice. Men and women who fail to pay support or allow visitation are not treated equally and have not been treated equally.

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 07:05:31 AM »

IN NY ( and I would hope the Soldiers and Sailors Act of 1933 applies everywhere) a tenant cant be evicted without 1st determining if they are in the military or a military dependent

This is to protect families and keep them from losing their apts while mom or dad is serving USA


Soldier sailor relief act only goes as far as your deployment and returning to your job.  It protects you during deployment.

Once home And back on your job it's done.  The video is interesting and does well playing on the emotions of the patriotic.  Since none of the services keep track of the statistics they quote during the video I find them a little slanted.  I've been deployed twice with 2 different units and out of about 200 soldiers I know only about 10% got divorced after returning.

I was also charged with deploying a couple thousand soldiers to theatre (mobilization augumentation team) just don't see those figures. 

BUT, the message is correct. You are not in control when you get back.  If you have a shaky marriage going into a deployment it's not going to get better.  Marriage is hard enough early on to have a trial separation where all your money is going toward the family members left behind.

I would say the numbers they use are in a particular age group for divorce.  As for suicide, the DOD has spent slot of time and money on this issue.  But again, IRR ( ready reserve) soldiers are not included in any numbers. 

Divorce in Ohio is a money making institution and as long as the state makes money on family misfortune it will continue.  Not only does the state collect 30% gross for the first child and 10% for each additional but the wife can get support for life.  And we need a system to support this whole system.

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