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Four years ago I tried the car tire on my '99 interstate for the first time. Was looking for better mileage. Ran it 2k miles. I just didn't like it for all the reasons that it has been talked about for years. Took it off and have been running the Avon. Only getting 7500 to 8500 miles per rear tire. When I pull them off, they are never to the wear bars, I just like running newer tires for safety reasons. Always said, that if I could come up with a rounded edge car tire, I would try it again. With years of searching, I couldn't come up with one. So, I decided to develop a rounded edge car tire myself. This is what I came up with. I now have over 3k miles on this tire. This 4th of July weekend, put on 500 miles with 2 up, from Red Bluff, here in No. Calif. on Hwy 36 to the coast. "144 miles of twisties". Made the decision yesterday, I am going to be running this tire from No. Calif. to Bel Aire, MI by way of Colorado. Going to be gone for a month back thru Yellowstone and Glacier Nat. Park. I am confident that this is the REAR MOTORCYCLE TIRE THAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORFREE PASS  |
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2011, 12:00:19 PM » |
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if you blow them up to about 80 pounds they will all have a rounded figure,,,
seriously,what tire is this? or how did you round it off?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2011, 12:08:02 PM » |
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Looks like a General Altimax. Except for that rounding thing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2011, 01:06:29 PM » |
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So tell us more about this tire and it's rounded edge..... I tried a C/T awhile back on my I/S and didn't care for it much either, and went back to Avons. I might not have had a the right tire, just an available cheap tire that didn't work out for me... and it had a flat profile and pushed me around on rough or uneven surfaces quite a bit (didn't like that). I think it might work and I might learn to like it, with the right tire of course..... so please enlighten us.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2011, 01:14:42 PM » |
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I've seem Porsche tires trimmed to match, looks like you trimmed the tire using the same method.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2011, 01:36:58 PM » |
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I have thought about trying this tire:  It has rounded edges................ http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/detail/advan_a048The problem is that it isn't cheaper than a MC tire........... Sometimes you can catch a deal on E Bay. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2011, 01:37:20 PM » |
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Okay, you can't just show us a photo of a rounded-off tire and not give details of how you did it!
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2011, 01:44:32 PM » |
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Okay, you can't just show us a photo of a rounded-off tire and not give details of how you did it!
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2011, 02:07:22 PM » |
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Give him a while, maybe he'll come back and weigh in, he's new to the forum. Hoser
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 02:36:07 PM » |
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if you enlarge the pic, you'll see what looks like file marks. BUT, i could be wrong  |
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 02:51:47 PM » |
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Way back in the day, my step dad worked for a company called OK Tire & Rubber. I think they were a fairly large corporation, not sure on that.
Anyway, they had a tire shaver. You mounted the tire on a wheel, put it on the machine, turned it on and started taking small pieces of rubber off of the tread. It's original chore in my book was to even up un-round tires.
We started cutting the outer edge off on the right front tire of our circle burner. My step dad always thought it gave us an advantage in the corner, don't ask me how, why or what he was talking about as all I was, was the driver.
This trimmer left the same kind of marks in the rubber as that picture shows. I'll say one thing, being around tires and watching what they did at OK Tire & Rubber, I'd be cursed if I'd ride that tire on a bike. I'll stick with my flat centered C/T. You get used to it pushing you around if that is what you want to call it. Most of the C/T's are carrying too much air anyway, no flexability in them when they are hard. 36# is what i have found is the maximum on MGM and this Good Year Triple Tread. More pressure than that and, yup, it shoves ya all over hell and back.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 03:11:31 PM » |
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And it's a Run Flat.......
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 04:15:41 PM » |
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Sorry about that guys. Got alot more response on this than I thought. Had to run into town. So here we go, I will explain it all. I went with a General Altimax 200/60/16. V rated sidewall, not the H. Wanted a stiffer sidewall. The Altimax has a 440 medium to soft compound. If this tire only gets me 25k miles, that will be good for me. I am not looking for a 40k mile tire. Went to my local tire recapper, known Terry for 35 years. Went by his shop one day about lunch time and showed him my Altimax and explained that I wanted to knock off the sharp edge. Had borrowed a 240 Metzler from a friend of mine. Asked if he could contour the tire to look like the 240 Metzler. He said No. But I think I can come close to it. He told me to come back at 3 o'clock and he would give it a try. Mounted the tire in the machine that shaves the tire, inflated it to 40 lbs., and took a 1/16" at a time from one side, then the other with my directions on what I wanted. In 15 minutes, we were done.  |
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2011, 04:20:09 PM » |
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i am pretty sure joe can wear his new altimax like that in a few thousand miles maybe next time you should give him a call and save your money  |
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2011, 04:22:46 PM » |
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Hmm, wouldn't it be easier to just start a burnout and lean first one side then the other? Stop for a bit and check it...a little more off the left side so away we go again. Check it...yup, looks even, see ya!  |
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2011, 04:26:58 PM » |
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Only know how to post one picture at a time!!!!! You are right, I am new to posting. it took me hours just to learn how to upload the pics. At this time I am running 40 lbs tire pressure. Was running 48 lbs in my Avons just to keep them from cupping. Margo was always complaining about the rough ride. With the bigger tire at 40 lbs, what a difference. Also, no weights on this tire. Put in 14 ozs. of Ride-On Tire Sealant and Balancer. The motorcycle stuff, not the car compound. Mark T., you are right about Ride-On Tire Balancer. the smoothest ride that I have ever had with no weights.  |
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2011, 04:56:52 PM » |
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Hmm, wouldn't it be easier to just start a burnout and lean first one side then the other? Stop for a bit and check it...a little more off the left side so away we go again. Check it...yup, looks even, see ya! Why am I having visions of a redneck holding a beer, saying watch this.... ??? |
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2011, 04:59:54 PM » |
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Hmm, wouldn't it be easier to just start a burnout and lean first one side then the other? Stop for a bit and check it...a little more off the left side so away we go again. Check it...yup, looks even, see ya! Why am I having visions of a redneck holding a beer, saying watch this.... ??? I said "HOLD my beer" and watch this !  |
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 05:35:03 PM » |
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No way I'd do that I only get 10,000 miles as it is . Mine wear out on the edge ( chicken strips ) so no way I'd want to shave the rubber off in a shop floor  I pushed this a touch too much it has 10,753 miles on it....Spent the better part of today mounting new front and rear tires along with final drive maintence and new brakes( Thanks Lucky 13 & Wimp  ) .First pic is a Cooper Zeon 2XS a summer tire rated at 280.  The one I mounted in it's place is a Fuzion ZRi rated at 320.  |
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 06:33:31 PM » |
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No way I'd do that I only get 10,000 miles as it is . Mine wear out on the edge ( chicken strips ) so no way I'd want to shave the rubber off in a shop floor I pushed this a touch too much it has 10,753 miles on it....Spent the better part of today mounting new front and rear tires along with final drive maintence and new brakes( Thanks Lucky 13 & Wimp ) .First pic is a Cooper Zeon 2XS a summer tire rated at 280. The one I mounted in it's place is a Fuzion ZRi rated at 320. Gotta ask Joe... if you only got 10753 miles from that CT.... what did you get say with an Avon Venom Bike Tire ? |
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 06:43:14 PM » |
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Gotta ask Joe... if you only got 10753 miles from that CT.... what did you get say with an Avon Venom Bike Tire ? Around 5,000 to 6,000 on a rear Avon Venom ....With the car tire I wear out both front and rear about the same time . I bought my yellow bike new in June of 98 the POS Dunflop that came on it was toast in 3,800 miles My bikes never leave the garage without me checking the psi....I run 42 on the front and 35 on the rear. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 08:43:01 PM » |
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Hmm, wouldn't it be easier to just start a burnout and lean first one side then the other? Stop for a bit and check it...a little more off the left side so away we go again. Check it...yup, looks even, see ya! Why am I having visions of a redneck holding a beer, saying watch this.... ??? Hmm, I seem to recall a young lady at an early InZane doing a burnout in much the same fashion, and she's now using an Avatar depicting it.  |
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2011, 06:05:03 AM » |
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Only know how to post one picture at a time!!!!! You are right, I am new to posting. it took me hours just to learn how to upload the pics. At this time I am running 40 lbs tire pressure. Was running 48 lbs in my Avons just to keep them from cupping. Margo was always complaining about the rough ride. With the bigger tire at 40 lbs, what a difference. Also, no weights on this tire. Put in 14 ozs. of Ride-On Tire Sealant and Balancer. The motorcycle stuff, not the car compound. Mark T., you are right about Ride-On Tire Balancer. the smoothest ride that I have ever had with no weights. Free Pass, run 40 psi for about 1K miles to break in the sidewalls then start dropping the pressure a couple of pounds at a time till you get the handling you like. I'm currently running 30/32 in my Toyo. Marty |
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2011, 06:29:04 AM » |
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Hey Free Pass.....you did state it was a smooth ride with the ride on, but I didnt see where you said if the handling characteristics were better with the shaving, Does it feel like a bike tire or just a little less like a car tire?
This post proves two things to me. The first thing is, I have alway believed that tire manufacturers could (if they wanted to) build car tire type tires in the shape of a bike tire and then we could have what you had to "create" if we wanted that.
Second it proves that a car tire is deffinetly not for me, I have been riding too long to change the whole dynamic of the ride, plus Im too old to adapt I guess......flame me all you want but I like how a bike turns with a bike tire shaped tire and have no desire to ruin that.
Smokin Joe is the ONLY rider I know of that has ever made an honest, valid (to me anyways) point that a car tire is anyting but a fashion statement. Joe can out ride just about anyone here and scub down a tire, the complete tire from edge to edge at around the same miles I consider my new tire broke in. Who can argue with that. He needs a strong piece of rubber back there the way he tortures it.
It seems they (CT) dont really provide the miles I would need it to to make the change...they are a bit cheaper, but thats not enough. As long as I keep getting 22-23K on a back tire, Ill keep it round.
I would like to try a car type tire (made with tread) designed like a bike tire for our bikes someday though
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2011, 07:49:59 AM » |
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Lucky 13 has gotten 10,000 out of an Avon. He rides harder than anyone here. I'll back that up. I'll bet 100$ he can out ride anyone, on this board, including our friend Smokin Joe. I'll also bet that no one here on this board or any other board can out CRAZY me. Joe will of course confirm that. Al  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2011, 08:18:48 AM » |
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I'll also bet that no one here on this board or any other board can out CRAZY me.
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2011, 12:25:18 PM » |
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I run that tire. Its pricy and it performs great, but it is soft and the life of the tire really isnt any more than that of a normal bike tire. I get about 6k or 7k out of one. They are sticky though and thats the reason I run it. Its on a blown valk though. On my other bikes I just stuck with bike tires. |
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2011, 06:47:43 PM » |
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I run that tire. Its pricy and it performs great, but it is soft and the life of the tire really isnt any more than that of a normal bike tire. I get about 6k or 7k out of one. They are sticky though and thats the reason I run it. Its on a blown valk though. On my other bikes I just stuck with bike tires. COOL I'm glad to hear from someone that has used it. I pretty much figured that it might not last well with it being a racing compound. That's the main thing that has kept me from trying it. But it sure does make for a good looking tire. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2011, 08:49:22 PM » |
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Marty, Thanks for the info on the psi. I had heard that before, and this weekend I am going to start dropping it a couple lbs at a time and just see how it feels.
thanks for the interest
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2011, 09:24:42 PM » |
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Chris J, Thanks for you honesty, I like that! It feels like a motorcycle tire, and that is the reason that I decided to do this post. If it didn't I would have riden it for a while then pulled it off and nobody would have ever known about it. If you are at InZane in a couple of weeks, I will let you ride it and do some figure 8's in the back parking lot.
What we like about it is the softer ride. We don't get as tired of sitting for long periods of time, and i still have 40 lbs in it.
At my age, mid sixties, I am not interested in running the twisties as hard as I can. Been there, done that. At sixteen yrs old "lied about my age", I would wear out a rear tire on the 1/2 mile dirt track on a Friday night. But those Perrali's were only $19 a piece. Been riding motorcycles my whole life. I plan on keeping everybody updated as to how the tire continues to perform and wear.
I did not post this to change anyone's mind on the CT. I just have a different spin on it that I wanted to share.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2011, 04:12:55 AM » |
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Thanks for posting this information FreePass. Please keep us updated down the road. I've heard of tire shaving, never seen it or new anyone that could do it. |
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I'll also bet that no one here on this board or any other board can out CRAZY me.
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I'll also bet that no one here on this board or any other board can out CRAZY me.
And I'm just the one no one can "Out Handsome"........ ...... P.S.......I can also cut a rug!!...... JEEZUS STEAMER!!!! I almost spit my oj all over my computer. Marty Yeah.....I hear the truth can hurt??!!...... |
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