What is the biggest Waste of Tax dollars that you are aware of?

[PAVALKER]

my father-in-laws skank girl friend (collects a dissibility check but is completely cabable of sitting infront of a slot machine all day) and my sister-in-law, collects a dissablility check 'cause she lost hearing in her right ear while in the air force.  one of our old employee's, she makes money to pop out babies (welfare) she quite working for us on her 18th birthday cause she made more in welfare (as she declaired it).  

there are a lot of people taking advantage of free government money.  i believe they should all be investigated.

I agree we should find a way to reduce welfare and other government program cheats, but expanding investigators, drug testers, and other policing forces could lead to bureaucracies that might cost even more, and would be harder to get rid of!

I agree... that would be expanding or growing government... and we want less government and a less expensive government.  They just need to be a leaner, more productive government.

Alph... you sound a little jealous of your In-Laws.  Tell us how you really feel about your father-in-laws girlfriend.   And I'm pretty sure they are not on a "Disability Message Board" yapping about how you spend your hard earned money on gasoline or chrome for your Valkyrie.    Ok... humor intended.   But the system put them on or permitted them to collect disability, so the system needs revamped maybe.

[RoadKill]

my father-in-laws skank girl friend (collects a dissibility check but is completely cabable of sitting infront of a slot machine all day) and my sister-in-law, collects a dissablility check 'cause she lost hearing in her right ear while in the air force.  one of our old employee's, she makes money to pop out babies (welfare) she quite working for us on her 18th birthday cause she made more in welfare (as she declaired it).  

there are a lot of people taking advantage of free government money.  i believe they should all be investigated.

I agree we should find a way to reduce welfare and other government program cheats, but expanding investigators, drug testers, and other policing forces could lead to bureaucracies that might cost even more, and would be harder to get rid of!

At least "investigators, drug testers, and other policing forces" would be earning theirs!  They could even develop a work ethic and accidentally pass it on to the next generation...

[davekosh]

I would say the biggest waste of taxpayer money is "Liberalism". If we keep taxing the rich or should I say the top 1% who already pay over 60% of the countries tax burden, and let 47% of the population pay nothing.....eventually that 1% will either run out of money, or leave. Then what???? If people ran their household like the government runs the country, we would all be broke. Stop letting illegal aliens into the country, stop letting them work here, stop letting them get free healthcare (they legally cannot be turned away so the insurance companies take the hit, which is then put onto the taxpayer) no in state tuition for illegals....they already broke federal laws. Stop giving billions of dollars to the U.N. who has more members that want to destroy us. Its pretty stupid giving money to people so they can wipe you out because you are an "infidel". Its like giving someone a gun so they can then shoot you. Stop with the Obamacare! Why should a healthcare plan be able to take our home sale profits and tax them to pay for free care. Why should a healthcare bill give the fed the right to decide who gets school loans? They wiped out an entire industry so it can be controlled by government employees, who get paid by you guessed it... taxes. The U.S. government is the largest employer in the country now. That is scary! Stop giving aid to foreign countries when you are borrowing it from China. How many times has America given money to other countries, and then forgiven the debt? Too many to count. Now we are going to do it with borrowed money, which has to be paid back with interest. That interest is 400 BILLION dollars a year folks. So if Mr. O. takes away corporate jet loopholes (which he signed into law previously) it saves a few billion over ten years. Wow, When you owe 400Billion in interest every year for ten years, and you cut 2 or 3 billion, what does that add up to.....NOT MUCH. Make the fed cut spending, and lower the tax rate so companies will actually do better by having businesses in America. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. If you raise it, businesses leave, and then that takes Mr. 1% with it. Now that seems stupid now doesn't it. We will be left with boatloads of people who don't want to work, can't work, or don't pay taxes. Then we are lost. So as I said...."Liberalism" makes all of these things possible.

[musclehead]

Iraq war anybody? I mean it should be a no-brainer for anyone (ironically) with a brain...

or obamacare, were not in Iraq anymore Obama said he had a plan to pull us out by may '08
what? he LIED? just to get elected go figure....

[musclehead]

The 1st place I'd start is the Obama's personal staff.
Then I'd turn all the czar's out to pasture.
Then cut the use of Air Force 1 for these damn vacation trips.

I'd then turn to these Legislators salary after leaving office.

Put all the Congress & others into the Social Security, Medicare and etc.

That would be the 1st dent I'd start with.

I think it is called FAT.

Then I'd cut a lot of this firkin foreign aid to hostile countries.

That should put a rather large dent in the deficit.

Your ideas would make virtually no difference in the deficit, no where near a 'large dent'.

Check out the NY Times interactive budget chart.  Your proposals fall far short of what is needed to do something about the deficit.  A comprehensive plan needs to include tax increases.

Cheers.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html

yep, except you don't raise taxes in a bad economy, it will cost more jobs and result in even less revenue for the treasury. said it before and I'll say it again......

[musclehead]

Iraq war anybody? I mean it should be a no-brainer for anyone (ironically) with a brain...

Some might think that an obvious one.   However... considering the economy, the way it was the last few years (knowing they had a better picture of it up there on the throne) and is now, I would say that is keeping the American Fighting Force "employed" and money/economy flowing to some degree at least.  But if you would rather them all come home and slide in the employment application and unemployment lines  in an already reduced job market and skew the governments figures even more..... making Obama look even worse.... sure.... bring em all home and turn out the lights over there.  

There are reduction in force/manpower drawdown efforts already in the works now, so some will be joining those lines anyhow.  The unemployment figures don't/won't show the ones that have been unemployed for so long and no longer eligible to collect unemployment compensation, so adding a few more to the mix slowly but surely won't be too obvious..... but bring em all back and Whoa...  it would not be pretty.

Sarcasm /humor intended.....

Interesting angle. But I would argue that had we never engaged in Iraq and focused on the mission in Afghanistan then the primary goals of killing bin Laden, and smashing Al Qaeda and the Taliban would have been accomplished years ago and we wouldn't be looking at the deficit we are now. The bailouts that everyone loves to whine about are nothing compared to keeping a war going, nevermind two. So the situation might very well be different right now. In fact, we probably wouldn't even have Obama for a President.

And nevermind the MONEY. In the course of wasting trillions of dollars it we've also lost thousands of America's best young men and women. Money can be replaced. Those lives cannot. Now look at the men and women missing body parts and sanity that will carry on long after the war is over. Do you know why the amount of dead from the Iraq war is so much less than the total from Vietnam? It's not because we were so much better at it. It's because of body armor and equipment and combat theater treatment techniques. What would have been the dead are now the crippled and horrifically maimed. Their lives may get easier as they adapt to their missing body parts and the pain may ease as the wounds heal but they'll always have the scars, physical and emotional. But their care is going to have to be paid for too.

Also, the cost of the war has had a direct effect on our defense industry. While we're pumping out ordnance and UAV's our lead in next gen military hardware development and procurement has taken a major hit because investment funding has been decimated by exorbitant operating costs.

This is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving for many years to come and the lack of outrage over this and the misplaced anger over other things that will be far less damaging in the long view is very telling.

interesting. so if we didin't go to Iraq the people wouldn't have voted for Obama. then Obama and the dems wouldn't have spent 5.5 trillion since entering office and we wouldn't be looking at the finacial mess we're in? is that it?

[musclehead]

got something here

http://dirtyspendingsecrets.com/

see if this frosts your flakes 

[musclehead]

In National politics, it is a given that you must already be rich to run... so I agree with many folks here.  Lets make ALL Federal political positions, including the President, a pro bono salaryless job!  Then let's limit all political positions to just one term in office... you get 4 years and that's it!  No more pandering for votes and ignoring the country's needs in favor of personal political gain, not to mention the blow it would deal to PACs and special interest groups!  A complete end to "career politicians!"

I like it! but its not likely to happen, term limits that is. that would require an amendment and that would mean they are going to vote themselves out of a job. fat chance/slim chance

[musclehead]

I would say the biggest waste of taxpayer money is "Liberalism". If we keep taxing the rich or should I say the top 1% who already pay over 60% of the countries tax burden, and let 47% of the population pay nothing.....eventually that 1% will either run out of money, or leave. Then what???? If people ran their household like the government runs the country, we would all be broke. Stop letting illegal aliens into the country, stop letting them work here, stop letting them get free healthcare (they legally cannot be turned away so the insurance companies take the hit, which is then put onto the taxpayer) no in state tuition for illegals....they already broke federal laws. Stop giving billions of dollars to the U.N. who has more members that want to destroy us. Its pretty stupid giving money to people so they can wipe you out because you are an "infidel". Its like giving someone a gun so they can then shoot you. Stop with the Obamacare! Why should a healthcare plan be able to take our home sale profits and tax them to pay for free care. Why should a healthcare bill give the fed the right to decide who gets school loans? They wiped out an entire industry so it can be controlled by government employees, who get paid by you guessed it... taxes. The U.S. government is the largest employer in the country now. That is scary! Stop giving aid to foreign countries when you are borrowing it from China. How many times has America given money to other countries, and then forgiven the debt? Too many to count. Now we are going to do it with borrowed money, which has to be paid back with interest. That interest is 400 BILLION dollars a year folks. So if Mr. O. takes away corporate jet loopholes (which he signed into law previously) it saves a few billion over ten years. Wow, When you owe 400Billion in interest every year for ten years, and you cut 2 or 3 billion, what does that add up to.....NOT MUCH. Make the fed cut spending, and lower the tax rate so companies will actually do better by having businesses in America. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. If you raise it, businesses leave, and then that takes Mr. 1% with it. Now that seems stupid now doesn't it. We will be left with boatloads of people who don't want to work, can't work, or don't pay taxes. Then we are lost. So as I said...."Liberalism" makes all of these things possible.

fair tax, fair tax, fair tax, fair tax. I'll even settle for flat tax, if we all have skin in the game the next time some politician says 'lets raise taxes' ALL our heads will swivel around and say 'uh-huh!'

[Bobbo]

my father-in-laws skank girl friend (collects a dissibility check but is completely cabable of sitting infront of a slot machine all day) and my sister-in-law, collects a dissablility check 'cause she lost hearing in her right ear while in the air force.  one of our old employee's, she makes money to pop out babies (welfare) she quite working for us on her 18th birthday cause she made more in welfare (as she declaired it).  

there are a lot of people taking advantage of free government money.  i believe they should all be investigated.

I agree we should find a way to reduce welfare and other government program cheats, but expanding investigators, drug testers, and other policing forces could lead to bureaucracies that might cost even more, and would be harder to get rid of!

At least "investigators, drug testers, and other policing forces" would be earning theirs!  They could even develop a work ethic and accidentally pass it on to the next generation...

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

[Roy]

Thanks for all the replys.  I need to know specifically what programs are a complete waste or if the Government Depts are padding the programs with additional people they don't actually need such as the National Weather Service's Warning Program Manager position which is a boondogle if I ever saw one, pure padding.

Also the NWS has over 100 major Weather Offices.  In actuality they only need somewhere between 5 and 10.  In this era of computers and high tech electronics all the Radar data can be fed into Weather Centers and analyzed by forecasters centrally located.  Reducing the number of forecasters from 4000 to 400 or so.

Specifics..

[fudgie]

My mom inlaw, Kits step mom, is on unemployment cause she dont want to work.  Sits around and pops pills all day. She is suppose to fill out so many job apps a month to continue to get the unemployment. She dont but says she does. Nice. 

I'd get rid of medicaid. EXCEPT for the ones that need it such as a family that was laid off. NOT for the baby factory moms and other meth mouths out there. You wont believe what I 'have' to pick up in a ambulance cause 'they got a card'. My partner is to her breaking point that when someone says they 'dont care about payment cause we got a card', she tells them 'good so I have a bill?'. It goes over their heads.

[Moonshot_1]

Hard to be specific as there are so many things one can suggest as being the biggest waste of money.
I would agree on the Ethanol and many of the other government subsidies.

To get things to change, the very culture of government has to change.

Start with Constitutional Amendment to limit terms. 2 terms as Representative, 2 terms as Senator. Consecutive or otherwise.
There is a lot riding on getting reelected. The Congressman or women, their staff, the lobbyist, the political party all have irons in the fire. The corruption and putting one’s political carrier or their reelection ahead of making the tough calls, doesn’t serve us well.
So Constitutional Amendment for a 2 term Term Limit for both houses of Congress.

Balanced Budget Amendment. Because apparently we can’t do it with out one.
Can be temporarily rescinded during times of War or National Emergency by a 2/3 vote in Senate. May be rescinded for 1 calendar year at which time it would require another 2/3 vote to continue.

Congressional Pay.
 Constitutional Amendment To

Repeal Congressional Pensions. If they want a pension they can get a real job.

And limit pay increases
Any salary (including any benefits and expense accounts) increases must approved by the voters through the Electoral College. Every 4 years, coinciding with the Presidential Election, the question shall be put to the people of all the States if a Congressional pay raise is authorized by them. The Electors of the respective States shall be bound by the vote of their respective state and cast and count their vote in the same general manner as the Presidential Vote. If the people authorize a pay raise, Congress shall vote on issue and it shall be limited to a 3% increase in salary, benefits and any other compensation derived from tax payer dollars.

That would be a good start.

In this budget debate, there are those who will trot out the children, and the poor and say if we cut this or that, they will suffer because they depend on the government.

For me it is absolutely heart wrenching that so many free people want to depend on the government. In a fairly short order we’ve gone to where being dependent on government was embarrassing and humiliating, to where being dependent on government is actually part of the culture. Not only socially accepted, but socially expected.

This must change. And soon.

[Roy]

Much has been done to Contract out specific Government Programs and part of Programs, and in most cases Contracting Out does save Government bucks, but not always.  A good example of Contracting that needs to be continued is the Federal Aviation Towers and Aircraft tracking.

Most small and medium sized Airports were Contracted out to the Private Sector many years ago, but there are still about 100 +  FAA Control Towers and aircraft Tracking that need to be Contracted out ASAP.  The remaining Towers have huge Salaried Supervisors $150K with the average Government Controller now making about 100K compared to about 30K for the average Controller at a Contracted to the Private Sector Tower.

The National Forest Service and State Forest Services need to be contracted out where savings can be determined.

Welfare Fraud needs to have much stiffer penalties.

 For those of us who thought that Medicare premiums were going to be cheap, think again.  Medicare premiums are now based on Income and the lowest premium for Parts A and B is $115 and that goes up to around  $360 a month, per person, and that doesn't include the $200 dollars a month per person that is needed to cover what Medicare doesn't (a private plan). 

So that would mean the cheapest a married couple would pay in Medicare Premiums for Partws A & B is $630 a month and that doesn't cover prescriptions up to $1120per month for an upper middle class or wealth couple.

[The Anvil]

Iraq war anybody? I mean it should be a no-brainer for anyone (ironically) with a brain...

Some might think that an obvious one.   However... considering the economy, the way it was the last few years (knowing they had a better picture of it up there on the throne) and is now, I would say that is keeping the American Fighting Force "employed" and money/economy flowing to some degree at least.  But if you would rather them all come home and slide in the employment application and unemployment lines  in an already reduced job market and skew the governments figures even more..... making Obama look even worse.... sure.... bring em all home and turn out the lights over there.  

There are reduction in force/manpower drawdown efforts already in the works now, so some will be joining those lines anyhow.  The unemployment figures don't/won't show the ones that have been unemployed for so long and no longer eligible to collect unemployment compensation, so adding a few more to the mix slowly but surely won't be too obvious..... but bring em all back and Whoa...  it would not be pretty.

Sarcasm /humor intended.....

Interesting angle. But I would argue that had we never engaged in Iraq and focused on the mission in Afghanistan then the primary goals of killing bin Laden, and smashing Al Qaeda and the Taliban would have been accomplished years ago and we wouldn't be looking at the deficit we are now. The bailouts that everyone loves to whine about are nothing compared to keeping a war going, nevermind two. So the situation might very well be different right now. In fact, we probably wouldn't even have Obama for a President.

And nevermind the MONEY. In the course of wasting trillions of dollars it we've also lost thousands of America's best young men and women. Money can be replaced. Those lives cannot. Now look at the men and women missing body parts and sanity that will carry on long after the war is over. Do you know why the amount of dead from the Iraq war is so much less than the total from Vietnam? It's not because we were so much better at it. It's because of body armor and equipment and combat theater treatment techniques. What would have been the dead are now the crippled and horrifically maimed. Their lives may get easier as they adapt to their missing body parts and the pain may ease as the wounds heal but they'll always have the scars, physical and emotional. But their care is going to have to be paid for too.

Also, the cost of the war has had a direct effect on our defense industry. While we're pumping out ordnance and UAV's our lead in next gen military hardware development and procurement has taken a major hit because investment funding has been decimated by exorbitant operating costs.

This is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving for many years to come and the lack of outrage over this and the misplaced anger over other things that will be far less damaging in the long view is very telling.

interesting. so if we didin't go to Iraq the people wouldn't have voted for Obama. then Obama and the dems wouldn't have spent 5.5 trillion since entering office and we wouldn't be looking at the finacial mess we're in? is that it?

Break down that 5.5 billion figure. How much of it is money Obama spent and how much of it is legacy money left over from Bush.

But yeah, if Bush hadn't been such a colossal failure and spent like a coked-up democratwhile having nothing to show for it then it's quite likely that Obama would not be President.

Personally, I'd rather have Romneycare (becuse that's what it is) than the Iraq war. At least Romney care is something for Americans.

[Art708]

   RJ....you have my vote, brother! You and I are on the same wavelength.

The 1st place I'd start is the Obama's personal staff.
Then I'd turn all the czar's out to pasture.
Then cut the use of Air Force 1 for these damn vacation trips.

I'd then turn to these Legislators salary after leaving office.

Put all the Congress & others into the Social Security, Medicare and etc.

That would be the 1st dent I'd start with.

I think it is called FAT.

Then I'd cut a lot of this firkin foreign aid to hostile countries.

That should put a rather large dent in the deficit.

[Christbiker]

it cost 4 cents to mint a penny.  eliminate this type of mindset and include most of the previously mentioned cuts and re-elect NO ONE

[The Anvil]

it cost 4 cents to mint a penny.  eliminate this type of mindset and include most of the previously mentioned cuts and re-elect NO ONE

No kidding. And we need more nicles for the nickel trick.

[G-Man]

.......she quite working for us on her 18th birthday cause she made more in welfare (as she declaired it).  

there are a lot of people taking advantage of free government money.  i believe they should all be investigated.

I hate to admitt this, but someone in my own family thinks along these lines.  He's been out of work for a while, and while there ARE jobs out there, he refuses to take them.  He collects $400 a week and exclaimed "that's $10/hour, do you know what you have to do out there for $10/hour?  If I could make the same thing sitting at home, why should I break my ass doing something I hate for the same money"

Now multiply this by the hundreds of thousands receiving 2 years of unemployment.  THIS is wasteful and teaches dependance on gov't.

[musclehead]

Iraq war anybody? I mean it should be a no-brainer for anyone (ironically) with a brain...

Some might think that an obvious one.   However... considering the economy, the way it was the last few years (knowing they had a better picture of it up there on the throne) and is now, I would say that is keeping the American Fighting Force "employed" and money/economy flowing to some degree at least.  But if you would rather them all come home and slide in the employment application and unemployment lines  in an already reduced job market and skew the governments figures even more..... making Obama look even worse.... sure.... bring em all home and turn out the lights over there.  

There are reduction in force/manpower drawdown efforts already in the works now, so some will be joining those lines anyhow.  The unemployment figures don't/won't show the ones that have been unemployed for so long and no longer eligible to collect unemployment compensation, so adding a few more to the mix slowly but surely won't be too obvious..... but bring em all back and Whoa...  it would not be pretty.

Sarcasm /humor intended.....

Interesting angle. But I would argue that had we never engaged in Iraq and focused on the mission in Afghanistan then the primary goals of killing bin Laden, and smashing Al Qaeda and the Taliban would have been accomplished years ago and we wouldn't be looking at the deficit we are now. The bailouts that everyone loves to whine about are nothing compared to keeping a war going, nevermind two. So the situation might very well be different right now. In fact, we probably wouldn't even have Obama for a President.

And nevermind the MONEY. In the course of wasting trillions of dollars it we've also lost thousands of America's best young men and women. Money can be replaced. Those lives cannot. Now look at the men and women missing body parts and sanity that will carry on long after the war is over. Do you know why the amount of dead from the Iraq war is so much less than the total from Vietnam? It's not because we were so much better at it. It's because of body armor and equipment and combat theater treatment techniques. What would have been the dead are now the crippled and horrifically maimed. Their lives may get easier as they adapt to their missing body parts and the pain may ease as the wounds heal but they'll always have the scars, physical and emotional. But their care is going to have to be paid for too.

Also, the cost of the war has had a direct effect on our defense industry. While we're pumping out ordnance and UAV's our lead in next gen military hardware development and procurement has taken a major hit because investment funding has been decimated by exorbitant operating costs.

This is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving for many years to come and the lack of outrage over this and the misplaced anger over other things that will be far less damaging in the long view is very telling.

interesting. so if we didin't go to Iraq the people wouldn't have voted for Obama. then Obama and the dems wouldn't have spent 5.5 trillion since entering office and we wouldn't be looking at the finacial mess we're in? is that it?

Break down that 5.5 billion figure. How much of it is money Obama spent and how much of it is legacy money left over from Bush.

But yeah, if Bush hadn't been such a colossal failure and spent like a coked-up democratwhile having nothing to show for it then it's quite likely that Obama would not be President.

Personally, I'd rather have Romneycare (becuse that's what it is) than the Iraq war. At least Romney care is something for Americans.

it's time to 'gibbs smack' you on the back of the head and wake you up
deficit spending under bush '08  408 billion, '07 166 billion? '06 244 billion? '04-'05 300+ billion. (read the numbers and don't have them in front of me, this is off the top of my head) and yeah this was way too much.

Obama's first year 1.5 trillion and second year 1.5 trillion.. keep blaming bush, thats a losing porposition.

5.5 TRILLION  not billion

[Brian]

Lot of good stuff here guys. But have you seen the report on the news the other night about the minting of the dollar coin that no one is using but yet government keeps making them, and paying to store them. this crap is to continue for years till the contract is done. Billions of $ sitting on the shelf gathering dust. This is pure tax payer dollars wasted. WTF are they doing in DC and the idiot vice president is going to Germany to see the USA women play in the finals.  This is our money he is using. Who approves his travel request?

[john]

 

   

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[RoadKill]

Biggest WASTE ?? ?    CONGRESS 

[BigAl]

Obama's 1st Term.

If you want to see a bigger one.

Put him for one more term.

Or 4 more years.

Then we can rename the US, The Banana Republic, or Tacos are US.

EIther one works for me, just don't count on me voting for any one that is in there right now.

I think I will be either moving to Canada or Mexico, or maybe Buenos Aires, or over to Singapore with Strong Eagle.

Where my retirement dollars will go farther and kind of get ahead of the rush of folks fleeing his new kingdom.

This is of course after the 2nd 4 years of Obama, cause there won't be anything left after that.

[Roy]

For those members that think moving to a foreign country is going to help your standard of living, think again.  The U.S. dollars value is falling fast and won't be worth anything unless us Patriotic Ameicans stay in America and fix the problems.

Singapore won't be accepting U.S Dollars in the future unless we straighten things out here.

How do we do that?  By Temporarily allowing the Military to run the country with a Benevelent Troika in charge until things get fixed.

[Fudd]

How do we do that?  By Temporarily allowing the Military to run the country with a Benevelent Troika in charge until things get fixed.

Didn't Germany already try that with a guy named Hitler?

I'd like to see a total revamp of the food stamp program.  Right now, one out of six Americans recieve food subsidies.  Make food pantries the only way to get "free" food.  They should limit the selection to staple or bulk foods (beans, bread, powered milk, ect.)  I'm not for seeing anyone starve, but why should they eat more lavishly than me when I'm paying for mine.

[Jabba]

How do we do that?  By Temporarily allowing the Military to run the country with a Benevelent Troika in charge until things get fixed.

Didn't Germany already try that with a guy named Hitler?

I'd like to see a total revamp of the food stamp program.  Right now, one out of six Americans recieve food subsidies.  Make food pantries the only way to get "free" food.  They should limit the selection to staple or bulk foods (beans, bread, powered milk, ect.)  I'm not for seeing anyone starve, but why should they eat more lavishly than me when I'm paying for mine.

Nice thought.

I'll put that in my arsenal.

Jabba

[G-Man]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?   

[Bobbo]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?   

Nope!  Just another example of the pitfalls of labeling someone...   
Please be careful when acknowledging things like this...  There are a few here who are certain I'm a far left leaning, socialist, commie, pinko, Liberal.  You don't want to be responsible for them blowing a gasket when they see they're wrong!   

[RoadKill]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?   

His answer to that problem is to leave them without jobs and on welfare or unemployment. Pretty liberal if ya ask me

[Bobbo]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?  

His answer to that problem is to leave them without jobs and on welfare or unemployment. Pretty liberal if ya ask me

Ahhh, no...  My answer is to simplify the system instead of piling on more and more layers of bureaucracy and regulations.  One solution I agree with that Fudd brought up again was using food pantries instead of food stamps.  That would create jobs moving, stocking, and distributing the food.  Those are productive jobs, instead of the easily corrupted policing and enforcement jobs that more regulations would bring.

[G-Man]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?   

Nope!  Just another example of the pitfalls of labeling someone...   
Please be careful when acknowledging things like this...  There are a few here who are certain I'm a far left leaning, socialist, commie, pinko, Liberal.  You don't want to be responsible for them blowing a gasket when they see they're wrong!   

I've had enough back and forth with you to know not to pigeon whole you, but clearly you are not right wing, which is the only place I've heard this thought from.

[Jabba]

Lot of good stuff here guys. But have you seen the report on the news the other night about the minting of the dollar coin that no one is using but yet government keeps making them, and paying to store them. this crap is to continue for years till the contract is done. Billions of $ sitting on the shelf gathering dust. This is pure tax payer dollars wasted. WTF are they doing in DC and the idiot vice president is going to Germany to see the USA women play in the finals.  This is our money he is using. Who approves his travel request?

If they STOPPED printing $1 bills, we'd HAVE to use the $1 coins.  Wasn't that the point?  To save the cost of printing the paper $$.

Plus as a side benefit, think about how much more fun the strip clubs would be!!

 

Jabba

[Bobbo]

Not necessarily!!  Many government workers seek to minimize their work output while maximizing their "illusion of work".  It wouldn't surprise me at all that these new workers would find a way to fake reports and/or teach cheaters how to cheat even more, so they can avoid work!  Now you have even more "cheats", workers included, in the system!

I'm stunned!  This thought is sooooo far to the right.  Were you on heavy pharmaceuticals the day you wrote this Bobbo?   

Nope!  Just another example of the pitfalls of labeling someone...   
Please be careful when acknowledging things like this...  There are a few here who are certain I'm a far left leaning, socialist, commie, pinko, Liberal.  You don't want to be responsible for them blowing a gasket when they see they're wrong!   

I've had enough back and forth with you to know not to pigeon whole you, but clearly you are not right wing, which is the only place I've heard this thought from.

True, I realize things must adapt and be flexible, so I'm not right wing.  Our Constitution is designed with similar thoughts, called amendments.  Much consideration needs to go into these changes, so they should never be hastily done.

[Roy]

While Adolf H. was in power he was running a Civilian Government.  He only rose to the rank of a lowely Corporal in the WWI German Army.

After Adolf H. commited suicide he handed over the reigns of power to Admiral Donitz who helped stop WWII when he could see that most of the entire world was fighting against the Third Reich.

[BigAl]

Make no mistake WWII was won by the blood and guts of freedom loving people.

Not some little mangie admiral.

Anyone wants to try the king thing go ahead, I got something for you.

Not leaving this city this country or this hemisphere.

Not a quiter, but I hate this bunch of panty waists that are ruining our once great land.

[Jess from VA]

This is the kind of BS that must stop.

The answer to this study was easy............ who gives a rat's ass? (and no cost for the answer)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/18/nih-backed-study-examined-effects-penis-size-in-gay-community/

[Fudd]

While Adolf H. was in power he was running a Civilian Government.  He only rose to the rank of a lowely Corporal in the WWI German Army.

After Adolf H. commited suicide he handed over the reigns of power to Admiral Donitz who helped stop WWII when he could see that most of the entire world was fighting against the Third Reich.

Civilian Government??  More pictures than not show him in full military dress.  I don't care what "officially" they called it, he operated a military state.

Hitler was the last person of rank in the Third Reich to realize the war efforts were hopeless.

[fudgie]

Plus as a side benefit, think about how much more fun the strip clubs would be!!

Yes and no. As a occasional visitor to them establishments  , I think they will have to start wearing boy shorts (which is cool) or grannie panties  to hold all that change. Most already are wearing 2 pairs of thongs.  ??? Hanging upside down on a pole would be obsolete because of them dumping change like a slot machine. Someone could roll a ankle.
Lucky for me I tip 5's and 10's in Sturgis. Except for Jesse, she gets 20's. 

[Brad]

Except for Jesse, she gets 20's. 

That is a whole roll of dollars.  I don't want to see some chick with a roll of dollars in her panties