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nerider2
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« on: July 20, 2011, 07:12:56 AM »

I have a Hitch Doc trailer hitch I am trying to mount on my Interstate before leaving for InZane.  Any suggestions on getting the front bolt holes to line up.  Trying to get the saddle bag bracket, spacer, trailer hitch, spacer, chrome frame and fender all to line up seams impossible. 

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 07:22:45 AM »

I did see a post awhile back on this. Having trouble with it and the bag rails. Can't help ya much on the Hitchdoc. I have the Big Bike Parts Receiver type. Thought it would be a problem with the chrome bag rails but it fit fine. Try searching past posts.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 07:55:49 AM »

Get about 5 hands and 1 person to do all the cussing.

They are a little bit rough to get everything lined up.

In the future if ya ever take it off again, do 1 side at a time, much easier.

Leave the bolts loose when ya get one side done, then tighten both sides at once.

I remember mine in 97, ended up my wife, & son had a ball with it.   Wife got tired of hearing us both cuss, so she went in the house.   

Good luck and be sure and hold your mouth right, that helps mucho good.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 08:11:02 AM »

Hey nerider 2 , I agree with RJ because I found out the hard way taking both sides off DUH  uglystupid2 and fighting with the fender , bolts and then having a bitch of a time trying to get all that junk to line up , a two Valk riding friends just happen to come over  that day and with three long small philips screw drivers to stic in three holes while I'm lining up that one hole at a time made it alot easier  ....  Hey RJ my wifey's was the same way when I was cussing and threatening to get my .45 ..... because that day I was really talking to the SPIRITS while I was messing with the Hitch that day  tickedoff .... this will really test your patience and your wifey's toooo 2funny ...Thanks the Geezer crazy2
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2011, 08:16:18 AM »

My neighbors still think that I have Tourette's Syndrome for the unholy words flying out of my garage when I attempted to mount my hitch. My wife almost divorced me and the dog doesn't respect me anymore.

Seriously, slow and methodical is the best way. I found it is easier to put the front ones in first - leave them lose and then the rears.

Good Luck and watch your language.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 08:23:23 AM »

I used to write guest columns for the paper. Here's one I did in 2003 about wrenching skills.  Shocked

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Published Feb. 6 2003

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By Guy Wheatley
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People often ask me, "Are you a good mechanic? Do you work on your own vehicles?"
The answers are no, and yes.
I'm the type who always thinks he can do it. I watch pros and they make it look so easy that I fall prey to a false confidence. "That looked pretty easy," I think. "I could have done that."  The next time something goes wrong, I think of the labor costs I can save by fixing it on my own.
In truth, there's more than money involved. After all, I'm a man darn it and I'm supposed to be able to fix things. I can just see the look of awed respect in my wife's beautiful green eyes as I stand next the repaired vehicle casually wiping grease from my hands. Her breath quickens as I exude an air of manly competence. "Hand me a wrench, I have great works to perform!"
We've got a Jeep Cherokee that has a couple of problems.
I recently replaced a perfectly good water pump trying to stop it from running hot. Since the actual problem, as discovered by the mechanic I finally went to, was a cracked freeze plug, It didn't help.
Some people, having wasted time and money, would have learned a lesson. I however, am made of sterner stuff! Me! Learn a lesson? Ha!
The other problem I have occasionally involves the starter. Sometimes I hit the key, and nothing happens. The gauges will peg, and the lights will go dim, but nothing else happens. Usually if I just wait a little while, or if I jiggle the shift, it will eventually start.
The Starter motor doesn't drag. If it turns over at all, it turns over just fine leading me to first think that the problem is a faulty safety interlock on the shift. The "wiggle" solution isn't consistent enough to definitively point to this as the problem though, and I am eventually seduced by another hypothesis.
Immediately after having the coolant problem fixed, the starter problem got worse. It now refuses to start. No amount of waiting or jiggling serves the purpose.
I go out to resume the battle one morning, only to discover that the battery is quite dead. This is a new battery, and I am sure that it shouldn't have simply died on its own. I recharged it planning to resume the struggle the next morning only to find the battery quite dead again the next morning.
I removed it from the vehicle and charge it up. It holds a charge quite well while disconnected so obviously there is a short somewhere in the Jeep.
I remember the old days when the starter solenoid was attached to the firewall. Sometimes they would stick. Occasionally they would just unstick by themselves. Other times, you could tap them gently with hammer and that would unstick them. The thing is; when they were stuck, they would invariably drain your battery.
"Ah ha Watson!" I cry in an affected British accent that would make your eyes water. (I've been re-reading Sherlock Holmes) "The evidence is clear and points unfalteringly to the solenoid."
Holmes would have wept.
This vehicle, like most I have seen manufactured in the last three decades, has the solenoid attached directly to the starter. I have to remove the starter to replace the solenoid. I accomplished in about three hours under the Jeep, removing and replacing bell housing bolts from the transmission that I have mistaken for mounting bolts on the starter. There is much verbose speculation on theology, and the genealogy of various parts that refuse to cooperate. Eventually however, I stand triumphantly holding the starter in my bruised, battered, and bleeding hands.
Quick as a flash, I dash to the parts store for a new solenoid.
"Look mac," says the guy behind the counter. "Ya sure ya don't want to replace the starter while ya got it out?"
Obviously this buffoon has no idea to whom he is speaking. A solenoid costs about $28.00 while a starter (solenoid included) is going to run about $79.00. It's true that if I'm wrong about the solenoid, I'm simply throwing away $28.00, but I'm confident. My logic is impeccable, my conclusion flawless. I assure the imbecile I have no need of a starter, secure the solenoid and return to the battle.
As neighboring mothers usher away children, hands over their ears, I climb back under the Jeep. Holding the starter as I lay on my back in one hand, I try to get at least one of the bolts in to hold the weight of the starter. Arms trembling, I try desperately to get the bolt to bite the threads.
Let's see, that's uh lefty-loosey, righty-tighty right? No, wait! I'm looking at it from the back so shouldn't it go the other way? Come on you &&^%**, take a bite. &^%&*# this has got to be the right *&(^() way!!
&^^))& ^((*) %$#@$# %^^$^!!!!!
OK! I finally get it in.
I reconnect the wiring then spring to the drivers seat. I turn the key and -- -- lights dim, gages peg.
More verbose speculation on genealogy and theology.
I briefly consider just moving in and living under the Jeep, but eventually decide that I'm going to have to face Sharon sometime. I watch those beautiful green eyes as I stammer out an excuse, uh I mean explanation. Cold and hard as emeralds they look. There's something in there all right, but it doesn't look like awed respect.
It takes me three days to get the initiative to gather up and put away my tools. I should have some money coming back from income tax by late February or early March. If the Mitsubishi will just keep running till then, I'll have the Jeep towed to the shop and let someone who knows what the heck he's doing have a shot at it.
I bet he makes it look easy.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 11:36:02 AM »

There was a great tip in the other thread about the bag guards ( same bolts referred to here I think) in the fact that you should round the tips of the bolts ( not the bolt heads.. duh) to help guide into the hole and get the first thread bite... I think that was a fantastic idea and will definitely use that next time round... also if you have the tap and time, chase the threads wiht a tap to clean out all the gunk prior to rescrewing in the bolt.. will make inserting and proper tightening go WAY better ..less cussing...

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nerider2
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 01:09:54 PM »

Ya, I know about taking all four bolts out at the same time, but I could not get the trailer hitch in place without pulling all 4 bolts.  The back two went in easy, the front two, NOT.  The first thing I did was search this site for helpful tips.

I'll pull all 4 out tonight and try the three screwdrivers trick first, then maybe rounding the points, hate to ruin the bolts if I screw up.

Thanks for you advice.

Ed
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 01:52:18 PM »

I just finished mine and had all four bolts out at once. I used a jack-on-a-box and a small piece of wood to raise the bottom of the rear of the back fender. At the same time I used a big wood dowel to gently pry up on the fender between the tire and the fender. This was all the while that the bike was elevated on a lift. Whew! But it got her done! This job is greatly complicated when you're dealing with an IS. The weight of the trunk is your enemy.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 06:47:37 PM »

I slide Phillips screwdrivers in one hole on each side to help hold it in the general vicinity... But it's just a lot of sweat equity. It was about a half day wrestle by myself.   Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 07:30:15 PM »

I took my hitch off last year to give my bike a good cleaning...NEVER AGAIN!!!!  I had the same problem with the bolts...someone told me to get a helper and have them push the tourpack up from below...it actually worked...try it and see!   cooldude

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 07:50:45 PM »

the best thing you could do is sell that hitch doc hitch to somebody else who might want it.  then call darryl at xf6-custom, and buy the stainless steel trailer hitch that he is making.....it will go on one side at a time, and makes a whole lot better set-up, plus the bags will fit after it's all said and done.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 07:56:25 PM »

I helped Punisher install a Hitchdoc on his I/S last year.  We ran into the same problems you did especially with the trunk's weight causing the alignment of everything to shift.  We loosened the upper shock mount to allow the rails to move.  After we had everything started and hand tight did we start using wrenches.

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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 09:10:39 PM »

Its been about 6 years but I still remember cussing. Seems I ground the bolts ends a little pointy for easy starting, left every possible connected bolt very lose until all were well started, and I think I even found a couple of hidden bolts it helped to loosen inside under the black plastic center piece that holds the tool kit and battery. You can look at the parts fiche at ronayers.com (rear fender-grab rail) for a good hint on where these hidden bolts are found.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 09:31:17 PM »

the best thing you could do is sell that hitch doc hitch to somebody else who might want it.  then call darryl at xf6-custom, and buy the stainless steel trailer hitch that he is making.....it will go on one side at a time, and makes a whole lot better set-up, plus the bags will fit after it's all said and done.

so what is the difference ? they all bolt into the fender brace bolts, all use all 4 bolts, what has daryl discovered that no one else has ? is he selling the three peice hitch ? if so i would never have another one of those. i had one and it flexed back and forth so bad i took it off and gave it away.

almost all hitches are hard to put on, i found it to be a huge help just to jack the bike up in the air so you could get your hands under the frnder to help things along. i can change mine out in about an hour tops, and mine is a chrome hitch doc.
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 10:29:10 AM »

the best thing you could do is sell that hitch doc hitch to somebody else who might want it.  then call darryl at xf6-custom, and buy the stainless steel trailer hitch that he is making.....it will go on one side at a time, and makes a whole lot better set-up, plus the bags will fit after it's all said and done.


Plus, you'll have a big ol' ugly receiver, hanging out as well...if you LIKE that sort of thing.

Just sayin'. Some of us do NOT like that look, and will put up with a big of a hassle putting on the hitch, to avoid it. I guess I was just lucky - when I did mine, my bolts went right in - I fought it for about 5 minutes.

Here's the XF6-custom hitch:

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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »

Here's what I did .... made some "setscrews" - Bought some bolts with the same threads and cut the heads off then cut slots in with a dremel.  I also use them to take my saddle bags on and off (Tsukayu) .... works pretty slick. You could even add some lead-in tapers on the ends.  Take one bolt out at a time then move the screw in and out to where you want.

When I installed my HitchDoc, I temporarily replaced all the bolts with the setscrews (one at a time) and turned in the two rear setscrews flush an then set the two front ones out about a half inch - This allowed me to spread the hitch to go on the setscrews so I could pivot the rear part of the hitch up to the other two rear setscrews and screw them out thru the holes in the hitch all while holding the fender in it's proper position

Once I got everything lined up I replaced the setscrews with the original bolts - one at a time  Wink



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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 08:11:40 AM »

Mission accomplished, started again last night (the third night) around 6:00 and finished around midnight.  I used the 3 screwdriver trick, and had the help and patiants of a good friend, thanks Jim.  Once we got the bolt through everything but the fender, I pried the fender away from the frame so I could see, which direction it needed to go.  The first front one went in easy.  Not so with the second front one, finally got it started and the bolt from Hitch doc was too short.  So we temporarily. replaced one of the spacers with a stack of washers.  (Thanks alot Hitch Doc).  I will be getting a 1/4 inch longer bolt, but it will most likely wait till I get back from InZane.

I figure I have about 21 man hours into this project.

Thanks for all your suggestions.  Next time I'd buy a MCHitch.com and having them install it.

Ed
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 04:21:28 PM »

Took me about 3 hours to install mine, will not ever repeat that!!
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