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I have been chasing a deceleration pop for a long time. I first replaced my stock o-rings with redeye's o-rings. Stockers were very bad. Still popped. I tightened all three points on every carb boot. Still popped. I replaced all vacuum lines and vacuum caps. Still popped. I replaced all exhaust gaskets and also exhaust. Still popped. I desmogged, reseated the air box (one intake wasn't seated properly from get go...thought I nailed it). Still popped when all seated correctly. I replaced all my pilots (was just going to do o-rings, but some pilots were rounding so did all the pieces). Still popped. The only way I could get it to stop popping was to adjust the pilots almost 4 turns out, very very rich. Not a solution.
Well, I just replaced the new redeye o-rings with the generic Advanced Auto Parts #64628.1 o-rings. Popping gone. The Redeye o-rings were substantially thinner than the generics. I've bought all kinds of stuff from redeye, great resource and I am not bashing him. I never suspected that it would be those o-rings. They looked fine. Not flat. Not damaged. I did see blow-by gas when I took off the intakes on all of them, but assumed it was from taking off the intakes. It wasn't until after I finished all else that my mind returned to that blow-by and I decided on the stab at replacing the Redeye rings with generic o-rings. All fixed now and popping gone.
What a chase that was, my first fix caused continued popping that I chased with all those other fixes. Arg.
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i smeared a tiny bit of high temp silicone on them and tightened them to specs. then let it sit for 24 hrs. stopped my popping too. my winter project this year will be to see what happens when you install a goldwing intake and carbs on a valk. wings are no slouch in the power arena, and get a lot better mileage. be interesting,, huh ?
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM » |
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I wouldn't use high temp rtv in my intakes, but that is just me. The right o-rings work fine and are only .99 ea at Advanced Auto with a 1 year replacement warranty (whatever that is good for).
The wing carbs and intakes on a valk would be an interesting project, I imagine a fun bit of fabrication will be required.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 03:52:08 AM » |
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The wing carbs and intakes on a valk would be an interesting project, I imagine a fun bit of fabrication will be required.
I don't doubt it could be done..... but....why?? ??? |
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 06:43:19 PM » |
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Thanks for the part # Mr. Steve! Bought 6 today, gonna change the seals out on the '99. While I had the bike apart I wrapped the baffles with fiberglass packing & now the decel popping sounds God-awful. I noticed a small stain in a couple of spots around the intakes so I'll put the new o-rings to use.   |
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 07:29:05 PM » |
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Well, I just replaced the new redeye o-rings with the generic Advanced Auto Parts #64628.1 o-rings. Popping gone. The Redeye o-rings were substantially thinner than the generics. I've bought all kinds of stuff from redeye, great resource and I am not bashing him. I never suspected that it would be those o-rings. They looked fine. Not flat. Not damaged. I did see blow-by gas when I took off the intakes on all of them, but assumed it was from taking off the intakes. It wasn't until after I finished all else that my mind returned to that blow-by and I decided on the stab at replacing the Redeye rings with generic o-rings. All fixed now and popping gone.
Where are these o-rings? Just may be a fix for me.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 10:34:59 PM » |
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Well, I just replaced the new redeye o-rings with the generic Advanced Auto Parts #64628.1 o-rings. Popping gone. The Redeye o-rings were substantially thinner than the generics. I've bought all kinds of stuff from redeye, great resource and I am not bashing him. I never suspected that it would be those o-rings. They looked fine. Not flat. Not damaged. I did see blow-by gas when I took off the intakes on all of them, but assumed it was from taking off the intakes. It wasn't until after I finished all else that my mind returned to that blow-by and I decided on the stab at replacing the Redeye rings with generic o-rings. All fixed now and popping gone.
Where are these o-rings? Just may be a fix for me.
WDAN
The o-rings are located under each of the intake tubes between the tube and the head. Pull the tube and you can't miss them (one screw at top and two 8 mm bolts on bottom, or one 8mm and one 4mm allen if you have the valence covers), o-rings on bottom of intakes. IMHO, next to loose carb boot clamps (tighten that screw and the two others) the o-rings are the most common cause of deceleration popping. My problem was I replaced them first with faulty rings and so did not look back at them again and tried everything else. Could have saved myself a bunch of cash had I looked back at them sooner, oh well, lots of new stuff anyway, and I did want to eventually desmog. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 03:42:29 AM » |
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Been there, brings back memories. When I first bought my Valk it popped like crazy. I didn't know ANYTHING about a Valk then. I took me a year chasing leaks (which were all contributors in my case) I did everything you mentioned and learned my bike a little better. It was frusterating for me  Glad you got her taken care of  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 06:51:01 AM » |
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Its been quite a awhile,but, its seems that most like either #122 or #123 o-rings.. I didn't they were fat[thick 3/32"] enough.. I'd have to look to be sure ,but, I prefer either #217 [1/8"] or #319[3/16"].. I think I used the 1/8" diameter rings because they have more 'squish' factor over the 100 series rings..
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 08:48:30 AM » |
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I replaced my intake O rings due to leaks on the heads. My results with autozone O rings for this application were not good. I haven't had any issues since Redeye replacements were installed. Check out this link; http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,26466.msg239935/topicseen.html#msg239935 |
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 10:38:44 AM » |
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It was Redeye's o-rings that gave me the problem (they barely showed above my grooves and were very squishy, so they could be squished fully into the grooves, the generics are much harder and thicker), maybe there is something slightly different about my '97 or maybe I got a different batch than you. He seems to change things up quite frequently. Hope those Advanced Auto Parts o-rings off the generic parts list hold up, guess we'll see. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 04:38:32 PM » |
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I to am hunting the popping noise on decel and I want to try the o-rings from Autozone. But much to my dismay they say there are no parts listed under that part number!! Eddie, you say you just bought 6. Is that the part number you used?? Had planned to get them tomorrow, but will be waiting for some replies here  |
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 06:08:07 AM » |
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Oops! Well it turns out that Autozone has them too. Went by the measurements to find them.  As for the riding season I have been riding a lot!!  You would actually love the riding here right now! High temps of the day 97 with a healthy dose of Florida humidity!! The locals are dieing LOL LOL |
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2011, 03:26:47 PM » |
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97 and high humidity!!!!!!!! PERFECT riding weather!!  That's what it's been here for the last 2 months & as you know for the next 2 or 3 months too. What a bunch of weenies the locals must be!  |
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 05:23:24 PM » |
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Thank You Mr Steve!! That popping noise on decel from #6 is finally gone! Been trying to figure it out for almost a year. The new O-rings fixed it right up Eddie the folks up here are used to being frozen most of the year This weather is killing them. Judy and I however have been riding a lot and this weekend we are going up to Bar Harbor for the day and then to her camp on the lake (actually a rustic home with just the basics, no power and out house included LOL) |
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 10:48:52 PM » |
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I ordered the 6 O-rings from Carolina Bike and Trike when I ordered 5 sets of rear drive O-rings. Cheap, delivered quickly and work perfectly.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2011, 04:47:31 AM » |
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Just wondering - does Honda sell OEM rings? Are aftermarket ones just cheaper, or better, or the only ones available? Or is it a discontinued item?
Either way, next project - as mine has been popping up a storm.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 08:30:59 AM » |
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The aftermarket ones are just as good, if not better and much cheaper. For what you pay for a single OEM o-ring, you can get a set of aftermarket o-rings.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2011, 06:18:55 AM » |
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This problem started on my bike about 2 weeks ago. Is there any harm that can be done if you ride it in that condition? I prefer to wait and work with someone who has a little more experience mechanically than I. But it could be several weeks before I can make arrangements with my local friends. So do I need to NOT ride until we address the popping?
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2011, 07:25:58 AM » |
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Ride it, it is just a little after the thought type thing popping. Unburnt gas that has exited the cylinder and getting into the hot muffler which ignites it.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 07:31:09 AM » |
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Ride it, it is just a little after the thought type thing popping. Unburnt gas that has exited the cylinder and getting into the hot muffler which ignites it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2011, 10:52:13 PM » |
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The gas exiting the cylinder unburnt in these engines is usually the result of a lean condition. A bad lean condition can cause some damage. You are not likely to be so lean you'll burn a hole in your piston head, but it is conceivable that you could damage a valve seal or even cause your pipes to gold or blue if you are really lean. How bad is the popping that just started 2 weeks ago?
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 08:49:36 AM » |
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Thanks for the Advance Auto link. When I went there online, i noticed the price was .99 qty-4 and when i went to the specifications tab on the page, it showed pkg contents 4 so i printed the page and took it to the local store who initially argued I was wrong but quickly gave in when I gave them written proof of their website pricing. They sold me 8 for $2.06  |
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2011, 06:08:57 AM » |
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Two weeks ago, I ordered O-rings from Advance by phone. Told the employee I needed 6.
He told me they came in packs of 4 (I think). I told him whatever; as long as I get 6.
When my envelope arrived, there were two packs each containing 1 o-ring.
I called them back and salesperson looked into it and found there was an error as to quantity in the packs on their website. It showed four.
She sent me 6 more overnight at no charge. They were also in packs of one.
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2011, 06:30:22 AM » |
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i been thinking as i read this thread. the valk and the gold wing are basically the same motor. the valk seems to have this popping problem, both this one and my last one did it, as does my brothers valk. so it seems to be common to the valk. the wing on the other hand NEVER pops, not one of the 4 i have owned in the past EVER popped. both motors share the same type o-rings, maybe we need to try putting wing o-rings in ????
question? do those of you who have canned the pair valve and vaccum lines still pop ?
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2011, 07:11:14 AM » |
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While I bought the extra o-rings to keep on hand, I have never had popping problems on any of the 3 Valks I have owned. This last one, a very early 97, has Jardine exhausts and while pleasantly melodious (read LOUD) they never pop. I have replaced the o-rings one time several years ago but it was more of a PM issue than a problem. The bike is 14 years old and I was getting a little seepage from around 1 or 2 intakes. I am not sure that the Valk inherently pops but, these bikes are getting a little older at this point and we are continually fussing over them and the fuel isn't what it once was etc, etc (sound like some other brand). Having been a GWRRA Chapter Director I see a difference between the wing owners and Valk owners in terms of them getting their hands into the guts of the machine. I my humble experience, most wings are mechanically "unfussed with" while the Valks by nature appeal to the hotrodder and are not encased in plastic. Please no flames, just an observation
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Oops! Well it turns out that Autozone has them too. Went by the measurements to find them. As for the riding season I have been riding a lot!! You would actually love the riding here right now! High temps of the day 97 with a healthy dose of Florida humidity!! The locals are dieing LOL LOL lets see if your still laughing in feb |
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2011, 04:38:06 AM » |
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Do these tubes come off alone, or does the intake/carbs have to be removed first?
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2011, 09:00:00 AM » |
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Yep!
The intake risers are easily removed by loosening the clamp holding the rubber hose from the carburetor and removing the two bolts at the connection at the intake on the cylinder head.
The biggest problem can be dropping something down into the intake which will open and available at the time.
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this week mine was popping very badly on decel. bought some highest octane gas and before i had to fill up again, no popping whatsoever. runs great again. was this a fluke? anyway it worked for me. then i put cheap gas again. if it starts popping again will try higher octane again
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Mark:
Just thinking out loud here. Higher octane increases the combustion temperature. I suppose it's possible that your pipes might not be hot enough to light off any unburned high octane, but be hot enough to ignite regular.
Does anybody know what the actual combustion temperatures are?
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this week mine was popping very badly on decel. bought some highest octane gas and before i had to fill up again, no popping whatsoever. runs great again. was this a fluke? anyway it worked for me. then i put cheap gas again. if it starts popping again will try higher octane again mark Using non-ethanol gas seems to have the same effect. *** |
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OK, I'm gonna tell you what I do.--------------I keep the rite grip turned a little bit and no popping when in decelllllllll mode, try it and you mite like it, works for me .  |
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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2011, 07:23:26 AM » |
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Had some light staining around the base of my tubes, knowing this was caused by leaking O-Rings I got a set of the highly recomended Red Eye O-Rings installed. Now a few weeks later a most of them are leaking again. Maybe they have a quality issue they are not aware of.
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The higher the octane ratting the higher the flash point ! The flashpoint of gasoline is in a range of minus 42 degrees to minus 47degrees Fahrenheit. I don't think this is the point you are trying to make! The burn rate of gasoline is affected by octane rating and the additives added to the gasoline. *** |
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