Toledo Mark
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« on: August 03, 2011, 05:23:02 PM » |
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You have all seen bicycle helmets that have the open slots or holes for venting. Why can't someone design a motorcycle helmet like that?
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 05:33:01 PM » |
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it has been, a few yrs ago, the gentlemen is located in europe, he is one of the top mc helemt designers, don't remember his name. Why it has not been brought to production I have no idea or maybe it is just in foreign markets.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 05:54:46 PM » |
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My guess as to why they're not...
MC's are capable of greater speeds there by increasing potential impact loads to a helmet. Something with any more openings then typical vents would not be capable of dispersing the impact force point to a greater portion of the helmet shell, as they are designed to do. And, there's likely no chance they could be DOT approved.
Quite frankly, I wouldn't even where a non-approved DOT [or greater] helmet. Why bother, unless your a non-helmet wearer and don't care what you wear why traveling through a helmet state.
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Toledo Mark
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 05:58:36 PM » |
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I always wear a helmet and will continue. Just looking for something to stay cooler. I usually wear a doo rag and soak it in cold water and gas stops.
But I hear ya on the safety issue and you are right.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 06:06:14 PM » |
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I always thought it was due to the penetration test. A big hole will fail. Bicycle helmet don't have a spike test as far as I know. This based not on fact but purely on conjecture and stuff i read on the net (so it has to be true  ). |
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The Anvil
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 06:12:27 PM » |
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While big gaping holes will certainly flow more air, I've gotta say that there's a huge difference between the venting in a 200 dollar HJC and a 700 dollar Arai. My Arais are quite cool at speed.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 06:20:10 PM » |
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someone came up with a helmet with built in rear view mirror an italian I believe
Bet someone on here has the link
the venting on my shoei is ok but only if the shield is down if the shield is up the visor blocks too much wind out
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 06:32:58 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 06:40:40 PM » |
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I want a replica of a Colonial Viper pilot helmet.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 06:44:28 PM » |
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I want a replica of a Colonial Viper pilot helmet.
Wont fit that big Cylon head ! |
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 06:45:25 PM » |
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I want a replica of a Colonial Viper pilot helmet.
Wont fit that big Cylon head ! Oh it's not for me. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 07:57:22 PM » |
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I had a buddy whose head was so large he could rarely ever find a helmet that fit properly. When he did he would wear it until they just wore out. In his last few years he was slowing down and riding scooters instead of motorcycles and started wearing hockey helmets. I dont know where he got them but they fit his big ol' noggin and it beat riding without any helmet at all.
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 09:00:29 PM » |
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Why not a 3/4 design like the new Arai XC-Ram but with a 3/4" aluminum bar for a chin guard? Just enough to keep you from breaking your jaw in an accident but much less obtrusive than the current full face helmets. Or maybe two bars, one from each side that don't even touch by about 2". That would make an awesome place to mount a microphone to go along with the speakers in the headset.
Just a few thoughts,
Mark
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2011, 09:01:22 PM » |
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Why not a 3/4 design like the new Arai XC-Ram but with a 3/4" aluminum bar for a chin guard? Just enough to keep you from breaking your jaw in an accident but much less obtrusive than the current full face helmets. Or maybe two bars, one from each side that don't even touch by about 2". That would make an awesome place to mount a microphone to go along with the speakers in the headset.
Just a few thoughts,
Mark
Kinda like a football helmet? |
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2011, 09:23:08 PM » |
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Why not a 3/4 design like the new Arai XC-Ram but with a 3/4" aluminum bar for a chin guard? Just enough to keep you from breaking your jaw in an accident but much less obtrusive than the current full face helmets. Or maybe two bars, one from each side that don't even touch by about 2". That would make an awesome place to mount a microphone to go along with the speakers in the headset.
Just a few thoughts,
Mark
I'd imagine the bars could become deadly if broken free and driven into your face or skull in an impact. That may affect DOT approval. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2011, 09:35:34 PM » |
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When its your time its your time. DOT approved or not. I recently was involved in a Bike versus Car incodent and i wasnt wearing a helmet. I sure wish i would have been wearing a cup though. We all have our different desires and worries while riding. Let those who ride decide. Helmet laws suck.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2011, 10:22:07 PM » |
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When its your time its your time. DOT approved or not. I recently was involved in a Bike versus Car incodent and i wasnt wearing a helmet. I sure wish i would have been wearing a cup though. We all have our different desires and worries while riding. Let those who ride decide. Helmet laws suck.
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MP
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 04:48:48 AM » |
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I believe also that at highway speeds, you would have trouble both with wind noise, and with the wind grabbing on to those slots, and trying to rip it off your head.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2011, 05:02:41 AM » |
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Why not a 3/4 design like the new Arai XC-Ram but with a 3/4" aluminum bar for a chin guard? Just enough to keep you from breaking your jaw in an accident but much less obtrusive than the current full face helmets. Or maybe two bars, one from each side that don't even touch by about 2". That would make an awesome place to mount a microphone to go along with the speakers in the headset.
Just a few thoughts,
Mark
If I read that correctly...doesn't Nolan have an open-face with a removable chin bar? N-43 Trilogy? |
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 05:06:27 AM » |
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I have one and it produces a lot of wind noise. I only use it in extreme cold weather. |
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Lyn-Del
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 05:19:24 AM » |
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I have a Shark Evoline modular, it has a chin bar that flips up and locks into the back of the helmet, converting from full to 3/4 helmet. I also have a couple of older Nolan modulars, and the Shark seems quieter.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2011, 05:44:55 AM » |
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Why not a 3/4 design like the new Arai XC-Ram but with a 3/4" aluminum bar for a chin guard? Just enough to keep you from breaking your jaw in an accident but much less obtrusive than the current full face helmets. Or maybe two bars, one from each side that don't even touch by about 2". That would make an awesome place to mount a microphone to go along with the speakers in the headset.
Just a few thoughts,
Mark
If I read that correctly...doesn't Nolan have an open-face with a removable chin bar? N-43 Trilogy? I know the one you're talking about and I'm considering it to replace my N-102 when it gives up the ghost. Marty |
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2011, 06:06:05 AM » |
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They are out there, and the reason they are not sold in the US is because of the DOT requirements  I just got a Nolan N43 Trilogy earlier this season. It is based on the European verson called the Nolan N43 'AIR'. The European version has a HUGE air vent where the US version has a much smaller vent. My helmet is OK, for a 3/4 convertable, but I sure wish I could have gotten one of the Euro versions. Pictures and review of the European 'N43 'AIR', here... Note the large top vent. http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/nolan-n43/Video and review of the US version here... Note the much smaller top vent. http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/nolan-n43-trilogy-motorrad-helmetHope this helps  Black Dog |
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2011, 08:10:01 AM » |
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i've been using a fulmer "modus" for a few years now. need to replace it. went to the fulmer site, and it's now called the m-1. it's only available it black now(in 3x) still has the pitiful venting(apparently they have never ridden behind a windshield) would like to try that n43 "air". can it be bought here in the U.S.? never mind just found it only goes to 2x  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2011, 08:13:38 AM » |
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would like to try that n43 "air". can it be bought here in the U.S.?
My understanding is that you can 'get' one, but you would need to order one from a european MC accessory store... I thought about that, but with Customs, exchange rate, and the possibility of an improper fit, I just got the 'Trilogy' from a US seller.
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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2011, 10:13:51 AM » |
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I usually wear a doo rag and soak it in cold water and gas
Dang!
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2011, 02:56:12 PM » |
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When its your time its your time. DOT approved or not. I recently was involved in a Bike versus Car incodent and i wasnt wearing a helmet. I sure wish i would have been wearing a cup though. We all have our different desires and worries while riding. Let those who ride decide. Helmet laws suck.
Several points here: First, don't confuse the argument for/against helmet laws with the argument for/against helmets. I would vote against helmet laws every time, if they were put to a referendum. Whether I choose to wear a helmet or not has nothing to do with my opinions on helmet laws. Second, why do you have brakes on your Valkyrie? When it's your time, it's your time. Brakes or not. They don't help in every situation, therefore, they must be useless. [/intentional overstatement to make a point] Riding with a helmet is a risk. Riding without a helmet is a greater risk. In the majority of accidents, wearing a helmet at the time of impact will increase both your quantity of life, and your quality of life. I'm confident that someone could design a crash that a helmet would either harm me, or leave me a vegetable, but if I could choose the type of crash, I would choose the type where I don't hit anything. I can only bet on the odds, and the odds are heavily weighted in the "help me" category. That being said, riding is a risk, helmet or no. Walking out the front door is a risk as well. How you live your life is where you choose to draw the line of acceptable risk. I choose to draw that line at a point beyond riding with a helmet, but short of riding without one. If you choose to draw that line beyond riding without a helmet, so be it. That is your choice. However, don't try to fool yourself (or more importantly, anyone else) into believing that you haven't added any risk to your life. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2011, 06:50:26 PM » |
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I believe also that at highway speeds, you would have trouble both with wind noise, and with the wind grabbing on to those slots, and trying to rip it off your head.
MP
Very true, I would think - Even the visor, can be troublesome, as stated by Brittany Morrow: (Read the story by clicking here) I felt a rush of wind hit my face like a brick and our bodies separated in an instant; my visor had come completely open. The force pulled on my face and helmet so hard that it sent my head up and backwards, ripping my entire body off the back seat with it. R |
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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 07:26:19 PM » |
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The athletic supporter,or 'Cup' is a VERY over looked and extremely important piece of ATGATT !  |
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2011, 07:44:45 PM » |
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Lyn-Del,
I've been seriously considering the Shark Evoline ST 2 helmet. They just changed US distribution and getting one seems a bit of a hit or miss deal at the moment. There was a black Evoline 2 on a Valkyrie at Inzane. I certainly like the idea of the Shark. I'd appreciate reading your thoughts on it. The ST version has some speaker cutouts that should be a good thing for my EdSets. I really like the MooVit version in white.
Thank You,
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2011, 08:12:43 PM » |
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Lyn-Del,
I've been seriously considering the Shark Evoline ST 2 helmet. They just changed US distribution and getting one seems a bit of a hit or miss deal at the moment. There was a black Evoline 2 on a Valkyrie at Inzane. I certainly like the idea of the Shark. I'd appreciate reading your thoughts on it. The ST version has some speaker cutouts that should be a good thing for my EdSets. I really like the MooVit version in white.
Thank You,
Mark
I bought my Shark after I got my '09 VMax. Every single helmet I owned, half, full, or modular, would "float" on that bike, and it was extremely uncomfortable. I tried the Shark and it not only didn't float, it was more comfortable than the others. It has a built in sun shade as well, handy to have. I don't wear helmets if I can help it, so it's not a daily use item, but I don't recall having any noise issues with it, I can hear my iPod audio book just fine. |
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2011, 10:19:22 PM » |
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I've been seriously considering the Shark Evoline ST 2 helmet.
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