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98valk
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« on: August 04, 2011, 06:01:18 AM »

The comment section is well worth the read. The American people who are aware are very upset.
just more job destruction and creating more of a welfare/socialist base for votes

http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/08/03/report-obama-administration-added-95-billion-in-red-tape-in-july
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 06:26:38 AM »

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/03/obama_were_not_even_halfway_there_yet.html


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/03/obama_were_not_even_halfway_there_yet-comments.html

"We knew this was going to take time because we've got this big, messy, tough democracy
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It's a shame that that pesky Constitution and all that messy Democracy get in your way

I will be so glad when this whining man-child is gone

And yet their are people who still admit they voted for this POS"
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Bigdog
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 06:35:18 AM »

thanks for the post......
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G-Man
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 06:42:11 AM »

But our President just gave a speach in which he stated that not all regulations are bad.  Don't you believe him?  He wouldn't lie, would he?
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 06:47:30 AM »

But our President just gave a speach in which he stated that not all regulations are bad.  Don't you believe him?  He wouldn't lie, would he?
   You do know how to tell when a politician is not being truthful?? Right?? He and/or she is STILL breathing. uglystupid2 2funny RIDE SAFE.
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Bobbo
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 07:53:43 AM »

Your links provide only a vague reference to these new regulations.  Where are the specifics of these regulations, so we can actually see if they are detrimental?
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 08:01:04 AM »

Your links provide only a vague reference to these new regulations.  Where are the specifics of these regulations, so we can actually see if they are detrimental?


As a farmer, one new proposed reg is that EVERYONE who takes a tractor or any farm machinery on ANY PUBLIC road, must have a CDL license.  What a farce.  I want to go 1/2 mile on a township gravel road to my field, and I, or a employee, MUST have a CDL?

What a load of you know what.  Others like that.

Any yet, progressives claim none of this hurts job creation.  BULL.

MP
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 08:18:14 AM »

Your links provide only a vague reference to these new regulations.  Where are the specifics of these regulations, so we can actually see if they are detrimental?



As a farmer, one new proposed reg is that EVERYONE who takes a tractor or any farm machinery on ANY PUBLIC road, must have a CDL license.  What a farce.  I want to go 1/2 mile on a township gravel road to my field, and I, or a employee, MUST have a CDL?

What a load of you know what.  Others like that.

Any yet, progressives claim none of this hurts job creation.  BULL.

MP


From the report in The Progressive Farmer, the DOT is seeking opinions and recommendations to determine whether or not to continue to exclude agricultural equipment drivers from having to have commercial driver's licenses.  This is a far cry from claiming this is a new or proposed regulation.

http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do;jsessionid=9E2D0BA122C70F539D9A431BCCE1CFD8.agfreejvm2?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=agequipment&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc301f591e013170fdce840e7a&showCommentsOverride=false
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 11:07:53 AM »

Your links provide only a vague reference to these new regulations.  Where are the specifics of these regulations, so we can actually see if they are detrimental?



As a farmer, one new proposed reg is that EVERYONE who takes a tractor or any farm machinery on ANY PUBLIC road, must have a CDL license.  What a farce.  I want to go 1/2 mile on a township gravel road to my field, and I, or a employee, MUST have a CDL?

What a load of you know what.  Others like that.

Any yet, progressives claim none of this hurts job creation.  BULL.

MP


From the report in The Progressive Farmer, the DOT is seeking opinions and recommendations to determine whether or not to continue to exclude agricultural equipment drivers from having to have commercial driver's licenses.  This is a far cry from claiming this is a new or proposed regulation.

http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do;jsessionid=9E2D0BA122C70F539D9A431BCCE1CFD8.agfreejvm2?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=agequipment&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc301f591e013170fdce840e7a&showCommentsOverride=false


OK.  My bad.  We have NEVER had the CDL, and now we may.  I see where that is WAAAY different than a NEW reg!  Scheesh! (sarcasm font)

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2011, 11:13:15 AM »

if you own your own equipt and the equitp is not for hire you will not need a cdl...
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2011, 11:31:11 AM »

if you own your own equipt and the equitp is not for hire you will not need a cdl...

Oh yes, it would!

In Late May, the DOT proposed a rule change for farm equipment, and if it this allowed to take effect, it will place significant regulatory pressure on small farms and family farms all across America – costing them thousands of dollars and possibly forcing many of them out of business. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), part of the Department of Transportation (DOT), wants new standards that would require all farmers and everyone on the farm to obtain a CDL (Commercial Drivers License) in order to operate any farming equipment. The agency is going to accomplish this by reclassifying all farm vehicles and implements as Commercial Motor Vehicles (CMVs).

(It is also important to note here that DOT Secretary Ray LaHood holds a seat on the newly created White House Rural Council. A powerful group whose members have ties to George Soros and The Center For American Progress.)

The move by the DOT appears to be “legislation through regulation.” By reclassifying all farm vehicles and implements as Commercial Vehicles, the federal government will now be able to claim regulatory control over the estimated 800,000 farm workers in America, at the same time, overriding the rights of the states.

The proposed change also means ANYONE driving a tractor or operating any piece of motorized farming equipment would be forced to pass the same rigorous tests and fill out the same detailed forms and diaries required of semi-tractor trailer drivers. This reclassification would bury small farms and family farms in regulation and paperwork.

Some of the additional paperwork and regulation required:

•Detailed logs would need to be kept by all drivers – hours worked, miles traveled, etc.
•Vehicles would have to display DOT numbers
•Drivers would need to pass a physical as well as a drug test – every two years.



Sounds new to me!  And a LOT of cost to comply.

And, it is happening to all businesses in all sectors, that is why business is slow to expand and add employees.

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Bobbo
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2011, 11:33:03 AM »

Your links provide only a vague reference to these new regulations.  Where are the specifics of these regulations, so we can actually see if they are detrimental?



As a farmer, one new proposed reg is that EVERYONE who takes a tractor or any farm machinery on ANY PUBLIC road, must have a CDL license.  What a farce.  I want to go 1/2 mile on a township gravel road to my field, and I, or a employee, MUST have a CDL?

What a load of you know what.  Others like that.

Any yet, progressives claim none of this hurts job creation.  BULL.

MP


From the report in The Progressive Farmer, the DOT is seeking opinions and recommendations to determine whether or not to continue to exclude agricultural equipment drivers from having to have commercial driver's licenses.  This is a far cry from claiming this is a new or proposed regulation.

http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do;jsessionid=9E2D0BA122C70F539D9A431BCCE1CFD8.agfreejvm2?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=agequipment&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc301f591e013170fdce840e7a&showCommentsOverride=false


OK.  My bad.  We have NEVER had the CDL, and now we may.  I see where that is WAAAY different than a NEW reg!  Scheesh! (sarcasm font)

MP


If you want to busy yourself with worrying about every option government officials look into, it will certainly be a full time job (with overtime!).  Probably 90% or more of these propositions never make it past the write-up stage.  The ones that make it onto the floor are more often rejected, and if not, heavily modified.  Why worry about every proposition that pops up?  In Missouri, there have been propositions to exclude motorcycles from highways, force the use of unusual safety devices (like airbag suits), disallow ANY modification of a stock motorcycle, and many others.  They never make it to the floor, and I don't lose any sleep over them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2011, 02:04:25 PM »

If I was  farmer or farm employee I WOULD lose sleep over the possibility of those regs. being accepted.  Just because most of the stupid rules don't get accepted is no reason to ignore them.  In NY they passed a law that no one expected to pass.  I t requires every new handgun to have a cartridge put into a dat base.  Up until a month ago not one had been used to incriminate anyone.  The shooting on Long Island was the first time that they traced a cartridge to a gun owner.  However they already had identified him from the other evidence.  Now they will try to use this one instance to keep the law in effect.  There was a very viable chance of getting it repealed until that.  This has cost millions of dollars, done nothing and is a good example of stupid rules.  The next one coming is the "microstamping" of cartridges.  Will cost millions for the consumer and is an unproven technology.
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Bobbo
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 02:55:44 PM »

If I was  farmer or farm employee I WOULD lose sleep over the possibility of those regs. being accepted.  Just because most of the stupid rules don't get accepted is no reason to ignore them.  In NY they passed a law that no one expected to pass.  I t requires every new handgun to have a cartridge put into a dat base.  Up until a month ago not one had been used to incriminate anyone.  The shooting on Long Island was the first time that they traced a cartridge to a gun owner.  However they already had identified him from the other evidence.  Now they will try to use this one instance to keep the law in effect.  There was a very viable chance of getting it repealed until that.  This has cost millions of dollars, done nothing and is a good example of stupid rules.  The next one coming is the "microstamping" of cartridges.  Will cost millions for the consumer and is an unproven technology.

I don't think the ballistics fingerprinting laws (which I don't agree with), were any surprise since they were very popular with the anti-gun crowd.
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