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These are shocking statistics. I had no idea that this was happening in Norway. The majority of rapes committed in Norway were by muslims? HMMMM wonder why we don't hear anything about that here. I wonder......
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 07:04:49 PM » |
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Their beliefs are not are beliefs. That is why they have a HUGE problem with women in our society. Their laws cannot and must not surpass ours. If they become citizens of our country they are required to forgoe their laws and accept ours. They can't/don't/won't accept our laws-smack their @$$ in prison then deport them. Other than that-got no problemo here. And if they do catch a rapist-let the cops tune em up a little/lot. RIDE SAFE.
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Generic "non-Westerners" are all Muslims? ???  Oh, yes, and right-wing conservative newsletters from Brussels and Israel are going to make sure the story is correct?  You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! |
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 07:10:04 AM » |
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! |
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! Bobbo not everything is something to argue about............ you really should work on developing a sense of humor. ??? |
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 07:35:41 AM » |
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I agree with old2soon,
I think anyone not born in my country and they commit a crime should be jailed and then deported. I don't care if they get their citizenship. If they commit a crime, citizenship gets stripped, they do the time and out they go. I am so sick of these scumbags taking advantage of Canada and thinking it is a free ride.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 07:46:20 AM » |
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Jesus warned us about them.
John 16
2 ...but an hour is coming when whoever kills you will think and claim that he has offered service to God.
3 And they will do this because they have not known the Father or Me.
4 But I have told you these things now, so that when they occur you will remember that I told you of them. I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! Bobbo not everything is something to argue about............ you really should work on developing a sense of humor. ??? Thank you!!!  |
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 08:19:28 AM » |
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! Bobbo not everything is something to argue about............ you really should work on developing a sense of humor. ??? Really? You couldn't see the humor in my tongue-in-cheek original response, or the silly sarcasm in my second?! Methinks YOU are the one that needs to work on a sense (or comprehension) of humor! |
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 08:21:48 AM » |
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Jesus warned us about them.
John 16
2 ...but an hour is coming when whoever kills you will think and claim that he has offered service to God.
3 And they will do this because they have not known the Father or Me.
4 But I have told you these things now, so that when they occur you will remember that I told you of them. I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 08:22:40 AM » |
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Bobbo not everything is something to argue about... Hey, it took me a while to come to the conclusion that Bobbo doesn't argue about everything new that's posted... ... as much as he resumes arguing about everything that's been posted previously even if he has to change the subject matter and the folks with whom he's arguing! |
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 08:37:37 AM » |
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! Bobbo not everything is something to argue about............ you really should work on developing a sense of humor. ??? Really? You couldn't see the humor in my tongue-in-cheek original response, or the silly sarcasm in my second?! Methinks YOU are the one that needs to work on a sense (or comprehension) of humor! I did realize that in your own way, you were trying to be funny. Hence the: in my response. The lack of a little thing called an "Emoticon" (in your second post) could only lead to the conclusion that you weren't making an attempt at humor. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 08:38:18 AM » |
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I say the Roman view of citizenship is what we need.
If you arent a citizen, you have very limited rights.
Certainly not Miranda on the battlefield.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 08:42:29 AM » |
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Bobbo not everything is something to argue about... Hey, it took me a while to come to the conclusion that Bobbo doesn't argue about everything new that's posted... ... as much as he resumes arguing about everything that's been posted previously even if he has to change the subject matter and the folks with whom he's arguing! I have come to the realization that Bobbo will continue to argue a point, even if his stance is proven to be as flawed as:  A SCREEN DOOR ON A SUBMARINE.  |
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In my religion I have a obligation to forgive everybody.
Sometimes I stray from my religion.
Big surprise huh.
I would if coming across the opportunity, would rip the balls off one of these rapists that think they can treat woman like this.
They say woman are property.
SO how do they think,,,,,,,,, if thier mother or sister were raped.
I don't get the way they think.
But if this happened to my wife, there ain't no place I would not go to take care of the Basterd.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 08:55:06 AM » |
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You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media! Dang Bobbo, you're finally starting to see the light. Why isn't Fox News on this? Why are they suppressing this momentous news?! Bobbo not everything is something to argue about............ you really should work on developing a sense of humor. ??? Really? You couldn't see the humor in my tongue-in-cheek original response, or the silly sarcasm in my second?! Methinks YOU are the one that needs to work on a sense (or comprehension) of humor! I did realize that in your own way, you were trying to be funny. Hence the: in my response. The lack of a little thing called an "Emoticon" (in your second post) could only lead to the conclusion that you weren't making an attempt at humor. I commonly prefer subtle humor. Exaggeration and an exclamation point should be a good hint! |
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 01:01:21 PM » |
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I commonly prefer subtle humor. Exaggeration and an exclamation point should be a good hint!
Sometimes I add humour that I know only a few people will notice or appreciate. Sometimes I overestimate my readers. Other times I overestimate the appreciation of my facetiae. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 07:53:40 AM » |
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The very title of the thread is argumentative (THREE question marks?) as is it's entire reason for existing.
What about all the rapes committed by Christians? Men of the cloth even...
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 01:21:53 PM » |
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When a christian sins, they are in direct opposition to the tenants of Christianity. Not so for the muslim.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 02:10:04 PM » |
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When a christian sins, they are in direct opposition to the tenants of Christianity. Not so for the muslim.
Mark
That is a nonsensical statement...  If it isn't a "sin" under Islam, then there is no offense committed. It is a sin for a Muslim to knowingly drink alcohol, but not a sin for a Christian. That's the bizarre thing about religions... They all have quirky laws, rituals, and customs that seem strange or criminal to other religions and customs. A person who creates something that depicts Muhammad has committed the highest crime to a devoted Muslim... |
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 02:11:24 PM » |
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When a christian sins, they are in direct opposition to the tenants of Christianity. Not so for the muslim.
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When a Muslim sins they sin. Sin is relative to the religion you are practicing so that makes no sense. They just have different ideas about what constitutes a sin. And yet many crimes throughout history have been committed in the name of Christ and Yahweh. No religion is a religion of peace. The people who practice it decide whether or not it is peaceful. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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You couldn't be more wrong Anvil. God's word hasn't changed at all for thousands of years. Followers or non followers of the Holy Bible can accept it or reject it. Many have done wrong things 'in the name of God". That doesn't make them correct. Murdering someone for being against the Bible is sin and is in direct opposition to the bible. Nothing in the bible instructs a believer to do that. There is only one religion on the planet today that instructs its followers to convert by force or murder the infidel.
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2011, 02:30:50 PM » |
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OK. Now you got Anvil responding. Anvil & Bobbo....now you just need to read what they post, learn the only one and true answer, and discussion over!
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2011, 02:38:45 PM » |
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Oh no it's the truth. RUUUUUN!  But of course you have practitioners of Islam who misunderstand the teachings of Islam just as you have Christians who misunderstand the teachings of Christianity. Ironically, fiery fundamentalist clerics are just as likely to take those things out of context to incite their followers as anti-Islamic crusaders are to demonize Islam. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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You couldn't be more wrong Anvil. God's word hasn't changed at all for thousands of years. Followers or non followers of the Holy Bible can accept it or reject it. Many have done wrong things 'in the name of God". That doesn't make them correct. Murdering someone for being against the Bible is sin and is in direct opposition to the bible. Nothing in the bible instructs a believer to do that. There is only one religion on the planet today that instructs its followers to convert by force or murder the infidel.
Mark
Deuteronomy 17:2 - 17:5 2 Chronicles 15:13 Deuteronomy 13:1 - 13:18 Don't get me wrong, I'm no lover of Islam either, nor am I necessarily I hater of Christianity, but as far as religions (Yeah, might be old testament, but it's STILL in there!) commanding it's followers to murder non-believers, Islam isn't alone... Now, you could argue that Christianity is "better" than Islam because it's adherents haven't gone on murderous rampages of non-believers recently, not arguing that, just pointing out that the words are indeed in the Bible... |
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2011, 05:50:32 PM » |
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You're taking things out of context and using verses as a historical record. They do not instruct anyone today to harm anyone in any way.
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You're taking things out of context and using verses as a historical record. They do not instruct anyone today to harm anyone in any way.
Mark
Just saying, it's in there... The same could be said of the Koran (That some are just using old parts of it out of context.)... Anyone could find justification for just about any action they wanted somewhere in the Bible (Or the Koran, or any great religious work)... |
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2011, 07:22:34 PM » |
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It wouldn't be said by anyone with an understanding of the bible or the quran.
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It can not be said by anyone with an understanding of the bible or the quran.
Mark
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Glad this sheize doesn't happen in Canada, eh? This morning's news article. http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/08/26/anti-muslim-author-threaten-beatenQuote from the book's author: Dipersico wrote "Islam is a religion of 'peace' and Muslims will kill you to prove it". From the article: ""A little autobiographical," he said the novel expresses his opposition to organized religion." That could place quite a few of us in the path of violence... |
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It can not be said by anyone with an understanding of the bible or the quran.
Mark
I guess your lack of understanding of the Qur'an is what caused you to post the " instructs its followers to convert by force or murder the infidel" comment. ??? Bobbo, Maybe you need to revamp your understanding of the Quran: 9:5 Is the verse that muslims themselves say instructs them to KILL anyone that refuses to convert to Islam: Chapter 9:5
“So when the forbidden months are passed, so kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them [as captives], and besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush, so if they repent (convert to Islam) and perform the prayer and give the legal alms, so leave their way free. Here is a verse that muslims also use to justify terrorist acts: Chapter 33:26-27
“26 And he brought down the people of the book (Jews & Christians) who backed them from their strong places and cast terror into their hearts. A group of them you are killing, and a group of them you are taking captive. 27 And he made you to inherit their land and their homes and their money and a land which you had never set foot on. Allah was mighty over all things.” Here are some verses that define Christians as "infidels": Chapter 5:72
“’Infidels indeed are those who said, ‘Surely God is the Christ, son of Mary." Chapter 5:73
“’Infidels indeed are those who said, ‘Surely God is the third of three." Here is a verse commanding them to kill infidels: Chapter 47:4
“So when you meet those who became infidels, so strike the necks (decapitate) until you have made a great slaughter among them...” Here are some verses commanding them to wage war: Chapter 9:41
“March forth lightly or heavily, and perform holy war with your money and your lives for the sake of Allah. This is best for you, if you were knowing.” Chapter 9:73
“O you prophet, perform holy war against the infidels and the hypocrites, and be harsh with them. And their abode will be hell, and evil is the destination.” Chapter 61:4
“Surely Allah loves those who engage in war in ranks for his sake, as if they were a solid wall.” Oh and if you know any muslims that you think are your friends, consider these verses: Chapter 3:28
“Believers do not take infidels for friends, rather than the believers. Whoever does this so he has nothing to do with Allah, but that you should guard yourself from them your fear of him [Allah]. And the Allah himself warns you, and to Allah is the return.” Chapter 5:51
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Nasara (Christians) as friends.
They are friends to one another. And whoever among you takes them as friends, so surely he is of them. Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” So I would suggest to you that to call someone UNEDUCATED or UNINFORMED because they believe that Islam is NOT a "Religion of Peace", makes you the one that is UNEDUCATED and UNINFORMED. What I don't understand is why you are so quick to denounce Christians as violent, usually you refer to the Crusades (which occurred about 1000 yrs ago). And yet you are quick to defend Muslims as peaceful when not a single day goes by or has gone by for decades, that somewhere on this earth, some innocent person is not murdered by one of those "peaceful" muslims. And since I know that you will continue to defend your statements even though your logic is as "Flawed as a screen door on a submarine".  I'm just going to quote Forrest Gump:  "That's all I have to say about that". |
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The Bible (old testament), Torah and Quran are all based roughly on the same "book".
I didn't see anyone trying to make the argument that Islam is THE religion of peace while Christianity is not. What I see is a few people making the argument that they're just not all that different in terms of historical record and their practitioner's capability to twist the religion. Christianity's historical record is about as spotted as Islam's. That's just a fact.
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The Bible (old testament), Torah and Quran are all based roughly on the same "book".
I didn't see anyone trying to make the argument that Islam is THE religion of peace while Christianity is not. What I see is a few people making the argument that they're just not all that different in terms of historical record and their practitioner's capability to twist the religion. Christianity's historical record is about as spotted as Islam's. That's just a fact. A little research will reveal that the Koran is primarily a collection of the words of Mohammed put together after his death, not at all based on the Hebrew or Christian scriptures..
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2011, 07:06:30 AM » |
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It can not be said by anyone with an understanding of the bible or the quran.
Mark
I guess your lack of understanding of the Qur'an is what caused you to post the " instructs its followers to convert by force or murder the infidel" comment. ??? Bobbo, Maybe you need to revamp your understanding of the Quran: I see you conveniently left out the contextual parts of the Qur'an: 2:191, " You may kill those who wage war against you", 2:193, " You may also fight them to eliminate oppression", and 2:194, " During the Sacred Months, aggression may be met by an equivalent response". I don't defend any religion. To me they're pretty much all the same. Muslims, like Christians, are not peaceful, despite claims to the contrary. They each cherry pick parts of their holy books to justify any action. My logic isn't flawed, your perception is filtered through biased eyes. When I hear Christians complaining and pointing out violence by Muslims, all I can think of is this:  |
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The Bible (old testament), Torah and Quran are all based roughly on the same "book".
I didn't see anyone trying to make the argument that Islam is THE religion of peace while Christianity is not. What I see is a few people making the argument that they're just not all that different in terms of historical record and their practitioner's capability to twist the religion. Christianity's historical record is about as spotted as Islam's. That's just a fact. A little research will reveal that the Koran is primarily a collection of the words of Mohammed put together after his death, not at all based on the Hebrew or Christian scriptures..
People will see what they choose to see.
When someone ends an assertion with, "That's just a fact," you can usually refer back to people will see what they choose to see. That's why I put the word "book" in quotation marks. A great deal of what's related in the Quran is the same stuff that's in the Old Testament and Torah. You will find many of the same stories and prophecies etc. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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Willow
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2011, 11:59:17 AM » |
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That's why I put the word "book" in quotation marks. A great deal of what's related in the Quran is the same stuff that's in the Old Testament and Torah. You will find many of the same stories and prophecies etc. I see your perspective and don't wish to extend the disagreement. I would concede "some", but I think "a great deal" is a significant exaggeration.
It really doesn't need to be repeated as my understanding is that Islam accepts the Torah and "Scriptures" to be inspired revelations from God, but secondary to the interpretation revealed in the Koran. |
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2011, 12:40:02 PM » |
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...my understanding is that Islam accepts the Torah and "Scriptures" to be inspired revelations from God, but secondary to the interpretation revealed in the Koran.
I was told it is similar to the way Christians view the Old Testament. The new Testament superseded the Old Testament, and the Qur'an superseded the New Testament. |
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Willow
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2011, 12:52:45 PM » |
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...my understanding is that Islam accepts the Torah and "Scriptures" to be inspired revelations from God, but secondary to the interpretation revealed in the Koran. I was told it is similar to the way Christians view the Old Testament. The new Testament superseded the Old Testament, and the Qur'an superseded the New Testament.
I believe you do, though, as an outsider, have a fair grasp of the hierarchies. |
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