sombodys gonna be really PO'd

[sugerbear]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARBOR-FREIGHT-COUPON-21-GALLON-125-PSI-AIR-COMPRESSOR-/320751549804?pt=BI_Air_Compressors&hash=item4aae483d6c

 
when they find out it's for a coupon

[Psychotic Bovine]

Pretty common.  I have seen auctions for Playstation 3 boxes, also.
Of course, the seller is not at fault, he does say "coupon".  But, it isn't entirely honest, in my opinion.

[old2soon]

Dad told me a LONG time ago-read all of the words. Every one here knows what happens when you ASSUME. When i looked some one was paying $112.00 and change fer a $50.00 coupon. A fool and his money-   RIDE SAFE.

[bigfish_Oh]

I think the fine print on hf coupons actually say not to be sold.


I would never sell it without confirming with the buyer again again again

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

Looking at the seller history, it looks like this seller does this on a regular basis. Crap like this needs to be outlawed.

[T.P.]

Pay $112.50 for a $50.00 coupon, WHAT THE HELL !!   

[sugerbear]

the really funny part for me is it's(air compressor) on sale now for $159.

[Walküre]

Looking at the seller history, it looks like this seller does this on a regular basis. Crap like this needs to be outlawed.

Huh?? Pretty much ALL he does, is coupon sales. What's wrong with that? He SAYS they are coupons, he shows PICTURES of the coupon, and gives the prices with and without the coupons. There is nothing wrong with selling the coupons, unless the coupon says they can't be sold, and even then, it's a gray area. I could see it being wrong if you could see that he PURPOSELY was trying to mislead the public, but I don't see it. It's unfortunate that someone couldn't read the ad. I would think that the seller would inform the buyer, that it is indeed the coupon only, and ask them what they wanted to do. We'll never know, but to instantly find fault with a legitimate seller, perhaps THAT should be outlawed...

When I bought my lift table from HF, there were no less than 25 coupons on eBay for it. I was lucky enough to score one off a fellow Valk owner, here on the forums, but would have tried to find one cheap on the 'bay, if I hadn't been so lucky. After all, $220 is a lot of money, to save.

R

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

I could see it being wrong if you could see that he PURPOSELY was trying to mislead the public, but I don't see it.

Want to borrow my glasses?

[Walküre]

Want to borrow my brain?!?

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

No. Obviously you need it more than me. 

[Walküre]

Yeah, right. Read his feedback. If he was ripping people off, the feedback would reflect it. He has it in the title, in big letters in the auction, and says flat-out, its for a COUPON!  Dare I ask, would (or have) you been fooled by it?? I think its pretty obvious its for a flippin' coupon! As did the original poster - what makes it stand out, is that some idiot actually couldn't or didn't read the auction, and bid that high for a coupon, along with - get this - the SECOND highest bidder.

You can say all you want - finding fault with the seller, is the wrong thing to do. I know, maybe we'll get Congress to set up a special hearing, and get to the bottom of this "dastardly devious"person, selling EXACTLY what he SAID he was selling - they've got nothing better to do with their time...

However, I do - I'm done with this.

R

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

OK Walkure I'll agree with you and then we will both be wrong. Lighten up man. I see it as he is misleading  people and I do not think that is right. Just my opinion. Peace brother.

[T.P.]

all of the sellers sales are only a few bucks till now.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=nikifarrington&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

[Brad]

That is some coupon.  Under the item description it says "Power Source:  Electric "

[bigfish_Oh]

I guess the "mislead" guy really got over on the cheap shipping of that air compressor, nothing misleading. When you buy on ebay everyone search's until you find the best buy and he found many coupon offers all showing pictures of a coupon.
  like said, their was a #2 bidder !!!!!!!!

[Daniel Meyer]

... I see it as he is misleading  people and I do not think that is right. Just my opinion. Peace brother.

I agree. Just because some people are stupid doesn't mean it's okay to rip them off.

[The Anvil]

Coupon is the third word in the title and it noted that it's a coupon a few other times in the description. If you missed it then you're a dope. Yes, let's enact yet MORE legislation to protect people from their own stupidity. Small government, YAY!

[PAVALKER]

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

[MacDragon]

Who knows... You keep that coupon for another couple hundred years and it could be worth double that money...

[vanagon40]

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

Buyer paid $1.80 for twenty (20) coupons valued at $1.50 each.

[johnhunter44]

Hey guys, just for the h*ll of it, I send an email to the seller of this coupon asking him why some dumb*ss would pay $112.00 for a coupon only worth $50.00 and he replied in about an hour.  This is his exact reply:

"It is like you read my mind!
People buy these for some insane amount of money when the listing says "Coupon" 5 or more times, includes a picture of the coupon, and has no returns accepted, then message me nasty things and leave bad feeback. If you are illiterate, maybe you shouldn't use the internet to shop!

Thanks for seeing this the same way I do!
Niki

- nikifarrington"

Still stinks.....

[johnhunter44]

I guess if I was trying to look at it from his perspective, the bidding started at .99, then the buyer first entered $35.00.  Then it simply was bid up to $112.00.  Guess he couldn't stop the idiots from bidding on it....

[Stanley Steamer]

I bet the person who won this is Nobama's CFO.......

[old2soon]

Hey guys, just for the h*ll of it, I send an email to the seller of this coupon asking him why some dumb*ss would pay $112.00 for a coupon only worth $50.00 and he replied in about an hour.  This is his exact reply:

"It is like you read my mind!
People buy these for some insane amount of money when the listing says "Coupon" 5 or more times, includes a picture of the coupon, and has no returns accepted, then message me nasty things and leave bad feeback. If you are illiterate, maybe you shouldn't use the internet to shop!

Thanks for seeing this the same way I do!
Niki

- nikifarrington"

Still stinks.....

I really have to go along with the SELLER on this. If you can not comprehend a simple thing like the difference between a coupon and the actual item than just maybe you need to reconsider your buying habits. Just yesterday and today made one purchase from a photo shop in NY NY after searching around awhile. Needed the usb cord for my digital camera. Purchased a Wolo air horn AFTER researching a lot of different websites including the manufactures own website. In both instances found the best price for ME. No one held a gun to my head and forced me to purchase anything. If you can read you should be able to figure out if it's what YOU want. If you can't figure that out maybe you shouldn't be trying to make internet and/or store purchases. Flame suit is now on. RIDE SAFE.

[Walküre]

Hey guys, just for the h*ll of it, I send an email to the seller of this coupon asking him why some dumb*ss would pay $112.00 for a coupon only worth $50.00 and he replied in about an hour.  This is his exact reply:

"It is like you read my mind!
People buy these for some insane amount of money when the listing says "Coupon" 5 or more times, includes a picture of the coupon, and has no returns accepted, then message me nasty things and leave bad feeback. If you are illiterate, maybe you shouldn't use the internet to shop!

Thanks for seeing this the same way I do!
Niki

- nikifarrington"

Still stinks.....

Hmmm....maybe it was the way you wrote it?? I also wrote Niki...and this is what I said:

Hi, my motorcycle forum came across one of your auctions, where a person bid a coupon for an air compressor, harbor freight, up to $112. Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=32605.new;topicseen#new

I am Walkure on the link. Some say that you are purposefully misleading, although I don't find it that way.

However, I AM curious, how do you handle it, when it happens? I mean, do you try to collect $112 for a coupon? Or, do you notify the winning buyer that it IS just for a coupon, and offer it to him at a 'reasonable' price, or what?

This is the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320751549804

Also, I see a lot of your auctions have 'buy it now' - do you recall if that compressor auction, started with a 'buy it now' price, and if so, what it was? And if it didn't, do you recall starting bid?

A reply would sure be appreciated, and thanks for your time!

Roger
Walkure, 2000 Valkyrie Standard

And, I got this back:

Thanks for the support, the link... and the laugh!

I started this and almost all of these listings at 99c with no reserve and provide free shipping- both of which should cause a buyer pause if they are shopping for an item that usually costs $300 rarely ships for less than $50. When the bidding ends, I invoice the winner with the following note- "This listing/auction was for ONE COUPON, not an <actual item>." If they pay, I message them confirming their address and ask, "Do you understand that this listing is for ONE COUPON, not an <actual item>?"

If any bidder requests that I cancel their bid while an auction is active, I do it immediately. If any winner requests that I cancel the transaction after the sale, I do it immediately. Even though most of my listings do not allow for returns, I usually accept them.

It is common to list coupons in their related categories- Diaper Coupons in Baby Stuff, etc., so that they are visible to those in the market to buy the item for which the coupon is valid.

As with most matters, communication is essential. Every time a buyer of any of my listings has contacted me with a concern, we have resolved it to the satisfaction of both parties. I'm not looking to "rip off" anyone, but I cannot be responsible for the negligent shopping habits of every eBay buyer.

I hope that answers your questions… and I’m sure this answer will appear on your forum.

Thanks for seeking my side of the story and balancing out this debate.
Enjoy this beautiful riding weather!
Niki

Satisfies me...

As for reading, there's THIS quote:

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

And, as was mentioned, it is for 20 coupons, EACH worth $1.50, or $30 worth all together...not bad, for $1.80 out of pocket. But, the above poster, didn't read the auction, either, or would have read the following in the auction:

Per ebay policy, you are bidding on one white envelope.  Enclosed in the envelope, you will find TWENTY (20) of the above described coupons.

I also took it one step further - did a search on "harbor freight coupon", and got 672 hits! As he said, it DOES seem like a common practice, and that's JUST harbor freight!

Search for harbor freight coupons link

I would think a little simple reading, would answer all questions.

R

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Hey guys, just for the h*ll of it, I send an email to the seller of this coupon asking him why some dumb*ss would pay $112.00 for a coupon only worth $50.00 and he replied in about an hour.  This is his exact reply:

"It is like you read my mind!
People buy these for some insane amount of money when the listing says "Coupon" 5 or more times, includes a picture of the coupon, and has no returns accepted, then message me nasty things and leave bad feeback. If you are illiterate, maybe you shouldn't use the internet to shop!

Thanks for seeing this the same way I do!
Niki

- nikifarrington"

Still stinks.....

Hmmm....maybe it was the way you wrote it?? I also wrote Niki...and this is what I said:

Hi, my motorcycle forum came across one of your auctions, where a person bid a coupon for an air compressor, harbor freight, up to $112. Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=32605.new;topicseen#new

I am Walkure on the link. Some say that you are purposefully misleading, although I don't find it that way.

However, I AM curious, how do you handle it, when it happens? I mean, do you try to collect $112 for a coupon? Or, do you notify the winning buyer that it IS just for a coupon, and offer it to him at a 'reasonable' price, or what?

This is the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320751549804

Also, I see a lot of your auctions have 'buy it now' - do you recall if that compressor auction, started with a 'buy it now' price, and if so, what it was? And if it didn't, do you recall starting bid?

A reply would sure be appreciated, and thanks for your time!

Roger
Walkure, 2000 Valkyrie Standard

And, I got this back:

Thanks for the support, the link... and the laugh!

I started this and almost all of these listings at 99c with no reserve and provide free shipping- both of which should cause a buyer pause if they are shopping for an item that usually costs $300 rarely ships for less than $50. When the bidding ends, I invoice the winner with the following note- "This listing/auction was for ONE COUPON, not an <actual item>." If they pay, I message them confirming their address and ask, "Do you understand that this listing is for ONE COUPON, not an <actual item>?"

If any bidder requests that I cancel their bid while an auction is active, I do it immediately. If any winner requests that I cancel the transaction after the sale, I do it immediately. Even though most of my listings do not allow for returns, I usually accept them.

It is common to list coupons in their related categories- Diaper Coupons in Baby Stuff, etc., so that they are visible to those in the market to buy the item for which the coupon is valid.

As with most matters, communication is essential. Every time a buyer of any of my listings has contacted me with a concern, we have resolved it to the satisfaction of both parties. I'm not looking to "rip off" anyone, but I cannot be responsible for the negligent shopping habits of every eBay buyer.

I hope that answers your questions… and I’m sure this answer will appear on your forum.

Thanks for seeking my side of the story and balancing out this debate.
Enjoy this beautiful riding weather!
Niki

Satisfies me...

As for reading, there's THIS quote:

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

And, as was mentioned, it is for 20 coupons, EACH worth $1.50, or $30 worth all together...not bad, for $1.80 out of pocket. But, the above poster, didn't read the auction, either, or would have read the following in the auction:

Per ebay policy, you are bidding on one white envelope.  Enclosed in the envelope, you will find TWENTY (20) of the above described coupons.

I also took it one step further - did a search on "harbor freight coupon", and got 672 hits! As he said, it DOES seem like a common practice, and that's JUST harbor freight!

Search for harbor freight coupons link

I would think a little simple reading, would answer all questions.

R

 

[YoungPUP]

All this  proves is that my theory:" some people should not be left unsupervised with anything sharper than a tennis ball." Which I came up with as a joke, is sadly, and unfortunately true....

[Daniel Meyer]

Guy would make a great politician...or lawyer (usually the first IS the second anyway).

Ripping off people is wrong, even if it's legal, even if it meets "policy", and even if they are stupid enough to fall for it. And even if there is a great tool (the 'net) that makes it easy to seek them out.

Guy knows what he's doing.

Unfortunately that's the product of many years of mandatory government education...people stupid enough to fall for it, and people with the "moral flexibility" to justify their way out of the crap that they do.

(shrugs)

One day, he's gonna find that some poor stupid guy he tricked is a crack shot at 300+ yards.

[Walküre]

Guy would make a great politician...or lawyer (usually the first IS the second anyway).

Ripping off people is wrong, even if it's legal, even if it meets "policy", and even if they are stupid enough to fall for it. And even if there is a great tool (the 'net) that makes it easy to seek them out.

Guy knows what he's doing.

Unfortunately that's the product of many years of mandatory government education...people stupid enough to fall for it, and people with the "moral flexibility" to justify their way out of the crap that they do.

(shrugs)

One day, he's gonna find that some poor stupid guy he tricked is a crack shot at 300+ yards.

I stand corrected. Silly me. The guy has hundreds of feedback, almost ALL good, and for rebates and coupons. They're just the lucky ones - the guy REALLY was hoping for that one sale, that netted him $112, so he could retire, buy the place on the Riviera, and gamble 24/7 in Monaco...

I suggest people look at all the auctions he has going on right now - I don't see ANY of them, that give the impression he is trying to hornswaggle people - the fact that he is selling coupons and rebates, in almost every one of them, is very plain to see. I don't see how you can do more than mention a bunch of times, that it IS a coupon, that you save X amount, WITH THE COUPON, and that you will receive a COUPON in the mail...

It's the ebay version of "RTFM"!!

[Farther]

I suggest people look at all the auctions he has going on right now...

Or get a life!!! 

[3fan4life]

I stand corrected. Silly me. The guy has hundreds of feedback, almost ALL good, and for rebates and coupons. They're just the lucky ones - the guy REALLY was hoping for that one sale, that netted him $112, so he could retire, buy the place on the Riviera, and gamble 24/7 in Monaco...

I suggest people look at all the auctions he has going on right now - I don't see ANY of them, that give the impression he is trying to hornswaggle people - the fact that he is selling coupons and rebates, in almost every one of them, is very plain to see. I don't see how you can do more than mention a bunch of times, that it IS a coupon, that you save X amount, WITH THE COUPON, and that you will receive a COUPON in the mail...

It's the ebay version of "RTFM"!!

I guess the answer depends on what ones moral standards are.

If one is OK taking advantage of someone by saying, "They were well warned", then it's OK for them.

This guy does seem to allow a more than reasonable opportunity for "Buyers Remorse", which speaks well of his character.

Personally, I would have trouble collecting $112.00 from someone for a $50.00 coupon.



    

[The Anvil]

Guy would make a great politician...or lawyer (usually the first IS the second anyway).

Ripping off people is wrong, even if it's legal, even if it meets "policy", and even if they are stupid enough to fall for it. And even if there is a great tool (the 'net) that makes it easy to seek them out.

Guy knows what he's doing.

Unfortunately that's the product of many years of mandatory government education...people stupid enough to fall for it, and people with the "moral flexibility" to justify their way out of the crap that they do.

(shrugs)

One day, he's gonna find that some poor stupid guy he tricked is a crack shot at 300+ yards.

Except that he's not ripping anyone off. It says all over the auction and item description that it's a frigging coupon. How is that ripping people off? He's hiding nothing. If you don't read the description of the item you're buying then you have no claim of being wronged, unless maybe you're a slow adult in which case your legal guardian should prevent you from using the internet.

What some of you may not know is that there's an entire cottage industry devoted to coupon trading and selling. Ebay is merely one of the forums (along with some dedicated ones) used for this purpose. There are people who travel specifically in these circles so it is not as though this was concocted to take advantage of careless and/or illiterate morons.

[Moonshot_1]

Took a look at the site and this is what i see.

I see a photo of an item, (a compressor) and next to that a place to enter a bid.
Yes, it does say at the bottom of the photo "Coupon only  Save!!" but it could be easily overlooked and then you have to scroll down to get the pertinent information on the actual item.

I can see where someone could easily assume that they were bidding on an actual compressor. They see the picture, make an assumtion, and bid.

Should that excuse someone from bidding on it and not reading the obvious and extensive documentation, both fine and otherwise, nope.

And if the Seller is a stand up guy, he would know that the buyer who bid $112 on a $50 coupon was assuming that he was purchasing the actual item and the seller would not go through with such a sale.

But maybe Ebay could change the format slightly so you have to at least scroll through the description and related documentation to get to the bidding area on the screen as opposed to a product photo with the bidding area next to it. I think that the presentation of the bidding area next to the photo is what can cause the trouble.

[The Anvil]

Took a look at the site and this is what i see.

I see a photo of an item, (a compressor) and next to that a place to enter a bid.
Yes, it does say at the bottom of the photo "Coupon only  Save!!"

Actually it says COUPON right in the title and in the description a further three times for a total of four times.

But yeah, Ebay could perhaps make a category for coupons.

[Valkahuna]

Once upon a time there was morality in our great land. Then things changed little by little, until one day a sitting President of the USA with a straight face declared that the knob shine he received in that Great Big White House, which incidently belongs to all of us, was not "sex".

And millions of folks cheered, and declared that was OK, while millions of parents were now left with the dilemma of explaining to their children of how what is said is not always what is meant, and that sometimes things are implied, etc.

Others argued that it was not our business, since it was a private thing, (in our public house). ???

It is no different than fine print, and other things that just don't seem, or feel right! Yes, legally there may not be something wrong here, but why does it not feel that way? We used to look out for each other. Now it's a different story. Now we look to take advantage of each other, and "if you are to dumb to notice", then it must be OK, since I warned you!

THE WHOLE THING MAKES ME PUKE, AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT WRONG, THEN YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Hey, it's just my "not so humble opinion", but right is right, and wrong... oh never mind, I forgot, it's not wrong anymore.

Rant over, sorry, but I do feel better.

[Gator John]

Even duct tape can't fix stupid.

[The Anvil]

The auction is designed to catch a person making that mistake and sell them something they don't want.

No it's not.   I told you, there's an entire market subset devoted to coupon sales and exchange now

Some od you guys are really sounding like a bunch of whiney liberals and the "I can't look out for myself so someone please do it for me" crowd.

[Walküre]

Once upon a time there was morality in our great land. Then things changed little by little, until one day a sitting President of the USA with a straight face declared that the knob shine he received in that Great Big White House, which incidently belongs to all of us, was not "sex".

Right. He should have said "It's none of your damn business, what I do in the privacy of my quarters!!". And since nothing "illegal" was done, should have stopped there. Just Like Ensign, well, until he bribed the husband, and fired the wife, which WERE illegal. Not like Newt, who was screwing his wife, who WASN'T his wife, while he had a wife, which isn't his wife...but it's ok HE'S running for President. Morals, shmorals - they ALL do it!

Hundreds of people will view the ad, and a few will make a mistake.  The auction is designed to catch a person making that mistake and sell them something they don't want.  The person making the mistake cannot correct it by asking for a refund.

Somebody thought they were buying a compressor, and didn't get one. Setting up mail-order booby traps has never been an honest way to make money.

Did you look at this persons other auctions? Almost all of them are for coupons/rebates, etc. As was said this is a big market! I saw nothing that other than ABSOLUTE CARELESSNESS would say he is selling anything OTHER than coupons! Geez, all you have to do it READ THE AUCTION!! JUST ONCE, ALL THE WAY THROUGH!! NOTHING MORE!! Is THAT too much to freakin' ask??

Or, do we all buy just by the FIRST picture, even though the SECOND picture is of a ... COUPON!!

The seller himself said he lets them know it's a coupon, then again, when they pay, then once again!! If they STILL WANT TO PAY, then it is THEIR idiocy, not his. He said he works it out with anyone. Now, do you think there are people who KNOW that it is a coupon, but bid, trying to get the person to send a compressor? By threatening to sue, that it was misleading? I'd bet there are...

The auction is designed to catch a person making that mistake and sell them something they don't want.

No it's not.  I told you, there's an entire market subset devoted to coupon sales and exchange now

Some od you guys are really sounding like a bunch of whiney liberals and the "I can't look out for myself so someone please do it for me" crowd.

Yeah, ain't that something? For the most part, this list is all about "ya need someone to hold your hand, wimp??"...yet, here they are arguing to regulate. Haha!!

I suggest people look at all the auctions he has going on right now...

Or get a life!!! 

I have a life, thank you very much.

But yeah, Ebay could perhaps make a category for coupons.

They do. It's a little hard to find, until you go to sell the item. Check out category in the following:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coupons-/172010/i.html?_nkw=coupons&_catref=1&_dmpt=US_Coupons&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

A HUGE market for them, especially with "reality shows" showing people how to save HUGE amounts of money, by clipping coupons.

I saved $220 on my lift table. That's motorcycle related, for the related-impaired...

R

[Daniel Meyer]

Some od you guys are really sounding like a bunch of whiney liberals and the "I can't look out for myself so someone please do it for me" crowd.

Not what I said at all.