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I saw this bird in Penn. north of Allentown yesterday and I'm having trouble identifying it..Can anybody help ?  |
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 09:52:35 AM » |
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Looks like a falcon.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2011, 09:57:35 AM » |
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It's the Mothman.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 10:07:47 AM » |
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+1 on the falcon
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 10:20:34 AM » |
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looks like a young hawk to me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 10:34:30 AM » |
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This bird was quite large which was what caught my eye . In flight the wing span was around 4 feet.
Maybe this will help. I have been looking in my field guide book "Birds of North America" and can't
find it..
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 10:36:29 AM » |
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Pigeon, in formal attire...  |
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 10:42:30 AM » |
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Okay, kidding aside, the hooked bill, is evident of a raptor bird of prey, falcons, eagles, hawks, etc. You might google "raptor birds of prey" , then go to the images, and look through the mug shots. Since YOU saw it, you'll know better what looks like what you saw, than us guessing a bunch of times. You'll know it, when you see it. You might also narrow your search down, to raptor birds in northeast. Regardless, that's a magnificent bird, lucky to see one in neighborhood surroundings, any more. Of course, that's guessing it's neighborhood - maybe that's the only roof, for 10 miles!!  R |
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 10:49:57 AM » |
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At first glance, I thought Osprey - but not enough white??
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 10:57:04 AM » |
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Osprey was my first guess, also, but the 4' wingspan told me it wasn't a young bird, so the coloring seems off. Young, the grays and whites "blur", but as they get older, much more distinct lines between the colors.
Also, the "fluffy" leggings, have me a bit stumped. Eagles usually come to mind, as the fullest leggings around, with hawks being right behind.
It'll be fun, finding out what you find out!
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 11:03:54 AM » |
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My best guess would be a peregrine falcon. I can't see whether it has the slight yellow eye ring and it is a little early in the year for it to be in New Jersey (winter resident).
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 11:12:17 AM » |
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I had thought Osprey too but I've seen them before here on the North Jersey coast. It was seen in a subdivision that has about a dozen houses.. Heavily wooded around the rest of the area with a lot of farms here and there..just north of Rt 22. In South Whitehall Pa . I'll keep looking and have already checked the Audubon site and signed up..to be continued. Hey I have an African grey that looks like that pigeon !  |
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 11:18:50 AM » |
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 11:22:36 AM » |
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here's a size prospective in relation to the whole roof  |
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2011, 11:28:18 AM » |
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here's a size prospective in relation to the whole roof Much better - wow, it IS majestic!! R |
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2011, 11:30:47 AM » |
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I would bet on a Red Shouldered, or Red Tailed Hawk. They both are large Hawks. I would lean toward a Red Tailed Hawk more, since they have a large, heavy body, and can have a great deal of color variation.
It is definetly NOT an Osperey, or a Falcon. Too heavy, large, wingspan is wrong, and colors do NOT match up.
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 11:38:19 AM » |
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It's a Juvenile Red Tail Hawk.....
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 11:46:53 AM » |
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The only bird like that I know of with white or light legs and belly is the Golden Eagle. About the right size bird for that too. Too large for an Ospery or Perrigrine. I would say an immature bird so I.D. will be difficult unless you find a site with pictures of the phazes of growth. Penn. is not the normal range for the Golden, but, they are spreading some. Hope you find out for sure  |
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 11:51:43 AM » |
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Judging by my Audubon bird book, I'd say it's a Goshawk. Larger than a crow, wingspan around 42". Fairly heavy bodied w/dark blue-gray back, black crown, pale underparts that's finely barred with gray stripes. Also has a white eyebrow which isn't real visible in the picture, but the leggings match and you can see the small gray bars on them.
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 11:53:36 AM » |
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 12:03:14 PM » |
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geezus Willow... you should go to work for the TSA  |
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 12:05:02 PM » |
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It's an adult " Peregrine Falcon "  |
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 12:11:13 PM » |
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I should have added that I didn't see and red on it's tail as it flew by low 20 feet in fornmt of us .
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 01:03:22 PM » |
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I don't think it's a falcon or hawk, look at hawk and falcon heads, very different. Looks like an eagle of some sort. Doesn't look like the goshawks we have around here either.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 01:05:33 PM » |
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I should have added that I didn't see and red on it's tail as it flew by low 20 feet in fornmt of us .
The Red Tail doesn't come in right a away... They need to be adult for that to happen.. Your bird is a Juvenile ... An Adult would NOT be so careless ..... The bird below is also a Juvenile Red Tail Hawk... Note the feathers go down a bit just like your bird.. The chest mottling is the same head shape same..Head colouring same..Note the neck length ....note the shoulders... Your Bird of prey... IS not a Falcon , Not an Eagle.... |
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2011, 01:07:12 PM » |
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Wild birds can be coaxed out in the open when you know how to do it properly. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2011, 01:29:59 PM » |
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I would have to agree with LadyDraco - she makes an excellent argument, complete with visual aids! My only (slight) hesitation would be with size - it looks like a full-grown red-tail, by the size, although it could be an illusion, which would lead me to think it should have the red in there. But, it's the best suggestion I've seen. I like birds a lot, and know a bit about them, but always wished I had MORE time, to know a LOT more about them. Along with all the million OTHER things...  Roger |
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I would have to agree with LadyDraco - she makes an excellent argument, complete with visual aids! My only (slight) hesitation would be with size - it looks like a full-grown red-tail, by the size, although it could be an illusion, which would lead me to think it should have the red in there. But, it's the best suggestion I've seen. I like birds a lot, and know a bit about them, but always wished I had MORE time, to know a LOT more about them. Along with all the million OTHER things... Roger Ignore the coloring (they are very similar) but look at the head shape. All wrong for a red tail. Maybe it's a hybrid Heagle! |
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2011, 02:02:02 PM » |
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I agree with Lady Draco, it looks just like the red tails we have here in East TN.
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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2011, 02:10:45 PM » |
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Those of us (see my earlier post above) that thought it is an immature Red Tail have it right. Color varies greatly in these young Hawks. All the other characteristics fit as well, including the size and the area where it was seen.
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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2011, 02:38:21 PM » |
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Thanks for everyone's help..
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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2011, 02:58:58 PM » |
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It's a Juvenile Red Tail Hawk.....
 Red Tailed Hawk ...here is one that pretty much matches the head...I have to agree with LadyDraco we have alot of them up here in Michigan too...Devl and I see them just about every day we go out riding. |
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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2011, 03:06:47 PM » |
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Here it is, enhanced best as I can, given the original photo. There is some red in the breast, that is original to the photo. Was a little tough, just to bring it to THIS point - any further enhancement, was actually losing things.  Roger |
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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2011, 03:40:08 PM » |
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The original photo was 3.5 MB. Cropped it and slimmed it to 48kb for transport...
so I say you did a good job at 21.2 kb !
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« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2011, 03:42:22 PM » |
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The only hawk with feathers down to the feet is the Ferruginous Hawk. They are very similar to a redtailed but without the red.
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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2011, 03:52:01 PM » |
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That might be a Gyrfalcon.
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