Jack
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« on: September 06, 2011, 08:07:24 AM » |
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My '99 Valk standard broke down on me Sunday 100 miles from home. I heard a clunk a couple of times as I slowed and then accelerated in turns in fifth gear. Thought it was unusual so was expecting "something". Topped a knoll and decelerated, accelerated and loud "bucket of bolts" sound came from beneath me and lost propulsion. I suspected a drive u-joint but found it looking as new. Checked the hub and the pinion and all looked fine. I had serviced all regularly. Now, I am suspecting something internal, possibly clutch or gears. Bike cranks up quietly and quiet as I pull in cluth lever but loud "bucket of bolts" when I shift into any gear. That makes me think the clutch plates have come apart.
Any clues?? Opinions??
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 08:20:44 AM » |
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Yeah it SOUNDS clutch or tranny related.
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Jack
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VRCC# 3099, 1999 Valk Standard, 2006 Rocket 3
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 08:39:05 AM » |
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Phred, I am going to look at that but my clutch engage point remains the same. It only makes the noise when I go into gear, any gear. Any gear makes me think clutch. Definitely not the master cyclinder but something internal, maybe plates. Guess I will find out when I tear into it at a later date. Don't have the cash for a quick fix so possibly a winter project.
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Jack
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 09:54:31 AM » |
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Daniel Meyers bet me a beer that it is the pinion at the drive shaft so I will look there. I am hoping it is NOT something serious.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 10:13:44 AM » |
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The pinion cup is a whole measure less serious than anything internal in the motor, clutch not withstanding.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2011, 10:17:01 AM » |
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Daniel Meyers bet me a beer that it is the pinion at the drive shaft so I will look there. I am hoping it is NOT something serious.
I'm with Daniel. Sounds like you need a pinion joint and drive shaft. Not very costly. David |
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Jack
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2011, 10:20:23 AM » |
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Thanks, Dave. Where to buy???
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 10:23:36 AM » |
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I lost my pinoin cup and driveshaft awhile back. One shift it was fine the next shift it was gone. I had very little noise and no movement of the bike when I let the clutch out. Try putting the bike in gear with the engine off and try just pushing the bike with the clutch out to see if the noise is coming from the rear of the bike. About a hundred bucks to fix and very easy to do. I got my parts from HDL and if you hurry they have a 10 percent off save until the 8th of this month.
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Jack
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 11:10:28 AM » |
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i'm at work so lazy(of course). What part numbers??
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Jack
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 03:10:29 PM » |
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Daniel Mayer is the winner. It is the pinion cup and shaft. I placed the order moments ago. Now to wait for the arrival!
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 03:40:48 PM » |
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 04:11:29 PM » |
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Great, another possible breakdown to rob me of some sleep. Does this "just happen" or is it a result of aggresive riding (no, I never do that)?
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 04:22:14 PM » |
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What is your mileage Jack? Just curious.
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Jack
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2011, 04:57:42 PM » |
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87,000miles/12 3/4yrs I ride it hard but figure it is something I missed while servicing.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2011, 06:11:09 PM » |
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knock on wood, 78K here and I ride the bejeezus out of that thing...good luck, hope it's simple and cheap to fix! I do the same to my '01 Explorer Sport Trac and it's got 241K with no side-of-the-road or major failures either!
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2011, 07:17:47 PM » |
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87,000miles/12 3/4yrs I ride it hard but figure it is something I missed while servicing.
Had you ever cleaned/lubed the pinon cup/drive shaft joint in those 87,000 miles? Mine went at about 65,000, having never been serviced. |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2011, 08:02:03 PM » |
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Y'all should check out/clean the pinion joint every couple tire changes (unless you're a darksider, then every 20k miles or so).
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2011, 08:48:08 PM » |
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Same like the splins? Clean and moly paste, or other grease? Just undo the 4 bolts and pull the pumpkin off when the rear wheel is pulled, then pull the drive shaft out of the tranny?
Heck, I'll do it once a year with the rear end maint.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2011, 08:49:06 PM » |
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I better check mine next tire change, those 78k were done in 5 yrs
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2011, 03:01:16 AM » |
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Mine went at about 70K. Now I check it every time the tire comes off or 15K. Darksider you know.
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Jack
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 04:56:29 AM » |
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87,000miles/12 3/4yrs I ride it hard but figure it is something I missed while servicing.
Had you ever cleaned/lubed the pinon cup/drive shaft joint in those 87,000 miles? Mine went at about 65,000, having never been serviced. Maybe twice. I know I did not do it the last 2 times that I should have. |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 06:38:51 AM » |
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Same like the splins? Clean and moly paste, or other grease? Just undo the 4 bolts and pull the pumpkin off when the rear wheel is pulled, then pull the drive shaft out of the tranny?
Heck, I'll do it once a year with the rear end maint.
Fred.
Clean it out (especially the recess in the end of the shaft...gathers crud), light moly grease (not paste) as an assembly lube. The 4 nuts that hold the pumpkin to the swing arm must be loose when torquing the axle. Tighten them last. (saves your splines) |
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 07:53:28 AM » |
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I had mine go out at around 80,000 miles, same time as the u-joint. The seal between the propeller shaft and pinion cup was not where it belonged, and I'm thinking that led to the pinion cup failure.
My theory: if that seal is in place, then the pinion cup should be good, as no water/dirt/other nasty stuff should get in there to mess it up.
Sound logical?
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 08:30:18 AM » |
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I had mine go out at around 80,000 miles, same time as the u-joint. The seal between the propeller shaft and pinion cup was not where it belonged, and I'm thinking that led to the pinion cup failure.
My theory: if that seal is in place, then the pinion cup should be good, as no water/dirt/other nasty stuff should get in there to mess it up.
Sound logical?
Yep, I agree with that premise: And want to add that it is very important that the u-joint boot needs plenty of attention to insure it is properly installed. that's the main point of entry of all the contaminants the pumpkin and pinion will see, water, road dirt, and all the rest of the crap we run over! *** |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2011, 09:08:31 AM » |
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I had mine go out at around 80,000 miles, same time as the u-joint. The seal between the propeller shaft and pinion cup was not where it belonged, and I'm thinking that led to the pinion cup failure.
My theory: if that seal is in place, then the pinion cup should be good, as no water/dirt/other nasty stuff should get in there to mess it up.
Sound logical?
Not entirely correct. Comes up from the rear-end, which has a vent to the outdoors. "Crud" collects (spins out) in the hollow at the base of the driveshaft, and eventually if enough collects, breaks loose and clogs the lube passages. It fails fast after that. Clean it every 20,000 or so (I do it every 10k since it takes like what, 3 minutes additional to a tire change) and it's a lifetime part. I do agree if the seal isn't in pace it will fail fast also. |
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