Hey Gun Nutz

[2tonevalk]

Well I bought a SCCY Cpx-1 9mm last week.  I took it out of the box (new) and shot 5 shells.  It is a DAO (double action only) firing mechanism.  After 5 shots, the hammer wont cycle around to hit the firing pin. 
Ok now my question.  Should I/Would you accept the gun after repair or demand  a new one, since the gun has never been fired before I fired it?  I like the feel of the gun.  The pull is kinda tight but it isnt too bad.  I wanted to use it for a CWP, but now I dont know.  If I have to use it, I want to know it is gonna fire.  Otherwise its just a "Nancy Pelosi" paperweight.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Ride safe
Robert

[PAVALKER]

I think there are better choices in guns of that type.... but here is some reading on that brand..... http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/defensive-carry-guns/43942-sccy-cpx-1-anyone.html

I have a Kel-Tec P11 9mm and a few other calibers might be better suited for concealed carry.  Bottom line is if that is what you are using it for, make sure you are comfortable with the weapon, become intimately familiar with it's operation and proficient in its use.  When or if the time comes where you may need it you want a reliable familiar friend on your side......

I would think a fixed one might be good and you could have the same problem with another new one too  You will have to research that weapon and see if it will meet your reliability needs.   Everything can have a problem now and then, hence the reason for warranties and guarantees etc.  However, for something you need to be reliable, you have to make the decision if it is for you or not.

[solo1]

INHO, the most important thing in a CCW handgun is Reliability!  The second most important thing is familiarity with it.  That means sufficient amount of ammo through it to break it in (semiautos) and practice with it.  In some semiautos, the way that you grip the piece determines the reliability. also.

I have a Glock 27, a Glock 35, and numerous revolvers, all completely reliable.  I also had a KelTec 3AT with uncertain reliability which I traded in on a J model Smith.

I shot over 200 rounds through the KelTec and had numerous stovepipes, failure to feed, and other misc jams.  I finally found the right ammo for it but didn't trust it.  Others probably had good experience with the Keltec.

To sum it up, you must trust the gun and be experienced enough with it to hit consistently what you're aiming at, under pressure.  Caliber and type of firearm is your choice.

[razor]

Did you mean a SKYY cpx-1.  cause I have one of them.   haven't shot it that much, but I like it. 

If you bought it from a gun store and they have another one, I would ask for new one(in fact, I would probably be pretty insistent )
You also might talk to the manufacturer direct. I think they are a pretty small  company and would probably take good care of you.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Caliber and type of firearm is your choice.

Don't bring any pistol to a gunfight if its caliber doesn't start with "4".

Just sayin'.

[solo1]

Caliber and type of firearm is your choice.

Don't bring any pistol to a gunfight if its caliber doesn't start with "4".

Just sayin'.

While I certainly agree with "bigger is better" , a series of hits with a .22 is better than a series of misses with a .45.

I've had people in my classes that most certainly couldn't handle bigger bores.  "Just sayin" 

[Serk]

Caliber and type of firearm is your choice.

Don't bring any pistol to a gunfight if its caliber doesn't start with "4".

Just sayin'.

So my S&W 500 wouldn't be sufficient?  

On the repair or replace, you'll get a LOT of pushback on a replacement, they hafta go through all the paperwork again for the government BS if they replace the weapon since the serial numbers are different (Basically, in a replacement scenario you're selling the old one back to them then they have to sell/transfer the new one to you), but a repair they don't have to do that.

On what to carry - As has been said, carry what you trust, and what you're proficient with. Shot placement is more important than caliber IMHO. You can't argue with a .22 to the tear duct...

[Bagger John - #3785]

While I certainly agree with "bigger is better" , a series of hits with a .22 is better than a series of misses with a .45.

Unless you're shooting into multiple layers of heavy clothing, a ballistic vest or some other energy-dampening arrangement, that is. The head - while effectively compromised by a .22LR round - is never a sure target in a firefight. This situation is where a round with a high KP value (itself a function of terminal kinetic energy and bullet diameter) is going to make the difference between you walking away or not.

I've had people in my classes that most certainly couldn't handle bigger bores.  "Just sayin" 

Where is that "sarcasm" icon when we need it?  ??? 

I've never met a shooter - male or female - who (with proper instruction and practice) couldn't handle a 45ACP. I usually start beginners off with (for example) a 1911 equipped with a 22LR upper...and when they're confidently shooting it I switch them to the larger caliber.

Note that I don't recommend introducing a beginning shooter to high-powered pistol calibers right off the bat. They've got to learn proper trigger control, weapons operation and shot placement before having to deal with recoil management. Anyone looking to "impress" a neophyte by letting them shoot a large-caliber, hard-kicking handgun is IMHO doing the newcomer a serious disservice...one which will likely impart some very hard-to-UNlearn habits. Such as a pronounced flinch...

[Bagger John - #3785]

So my S&W 500 wouldn't be sufficient?  

No...and not for reasons you may think.

First...is size. S&W's X-Frame is a big revolver. Both long-barreled versions aren't easily concealable, to say the least.

The short-barreled version is a little more manageable...but...ALL versions of the model are equipped with a muzzle brake, and I'm one of those people who does NOT favor the use of a ported weapon in a low-light scenario. You'll lose your night vision at the first shot, and that first shot had better be on the mark.

Second - important in anything other than a quick defensive situation - is ammo replenishment. 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP can be liberated from your (now dead) opponent and used to field-replenish your ammo stash. Not so with the 500. (FWIW, even hand loading the cartridge can be challenging, as few shops actually carry brass and bullets.)

I've shot the 500 extensively, and while it makes for a great hunting round its utility as a combat round is less stellar.

[Serk]

I was actually being facetious...  I do enjoy my 500 and handload it regularly (ONLY way I can afford to shoot the beast! The 700 grain bullets are great fun...) but in a serious social situation, it is not the first gun I'd grab by a long shot... Luckily the range near me has lots of yuppies shooting at it that buy the 500 to have the biggest and baddest, shoot it a few times and don't bother to collect their brass...

(I carry a XD .40 Sub Compact and have a XD .45 Compact next to the bed... Both with Trijicon's and rail mounted lights)

I used to carry a Russian Makarov, and found it to be a HIGHLY reliable weapon that was extremely accurate, just wasn't too fond of the 9x18 round for stopping power. Switched to a Springfield Armory Micro 1911 .45 that wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn and jammed constantly, so I switched back to the Makarov until a few years ago when I got the XD. LOVE the XD.) I still take the Makarov out when I need something smaller, or the Kel-Tec P3AT if I need even smaller...

[Bagger John - #3785]

I was actually being facetious...  I do enjoy my 500 and handload it regularly (ONLY way I can afford to shoot the beast! The 700 grain bullets are great fun...) but in a serious social situation, it is not the first gun I'd grab by a long shot... Luckily the range near me has lots of yuppies shooting at it that buy the 500 to have the biggest and baddest, shoot it a few times and don't bother to collect their brass...

Ditto the scene here. I know of an area individual who fired his precisely ONCE then sold it at a loss.

Blondie is quite accurate with our friend's 500. He's also a handloader, but more for reasons of accuracy. She's been able to shoot a 1", 5-shot group at 25yds with his handloads.

(I carry a XD .40 Sub Compact and have a XD .45 Compact next to the bed... Both with Trijicon's and rail mounted lights)

Good choices, both. I like a Kimber in full-size configuration - it's also the arrangement I shoot centerfire match with - but the various manufacturers have come a long way with the compacts in recent years. I would have no qualms about carrying any of them into a bad situation, and the Springfield XD series is coming into its own as of late.

I used to carry a Russian Makarov, and found it to be a HIGHLY reliable weapon that was extremely accurate, just wasn't too fond of the 9x18 round for stopping power. Switched to a Springfield Armory Micro 1911 .45 that wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn and jammed constantly, so I switched back to the Makarov until a few years ago when I got the XD. LOVE the XD.) I still take the Makarov out when I need something smaller, or the Kel-Tec P3AT if I need even smaller...

There's another thread on here at the moment touting the extremely precise machine work, fit and finish which goes into a "Michiguns" 1911. But I would rather have something like the Makarov (albeit in a stouter caliber) over that custom-shop setup. The Russians built those guns to work, period...whether they were properly cared for, beat straight to hell or dropped in mud notwithstanding...

[Varmintmist]

2Tone,
Did you CLEAN it before you shot it? If not, now is the time to strip it and clean it like you instructions probably told you to do before you shot it.  The fast and dirty method is get a can of carb cleaner and hose it out. You will have to re lube after. I have "fixed" some firearms by doing a good cleaning on them.

Since it cycled ok for a few, and you did not say you cleaned it my guess is a BOC, (bit of crud) or perhaps a burr from machining. As to repair or replace, if you go that way your part is to take it to the gunshop that you bought it at. Then you discuss with them which way they want to try first. No different than buying a chainsaw. They can do the PW in 15 min if you need a replacement.

Bagger,

Try a 60+ year old female with arthrightis (sp). Tried her on a Single Six after a light loaded 38 was to much. She now owns  Kel-Tec 32ACP. I was trying to find a 22Mag revolver da/sa but the triggers on all I found were not made to be pulled by a human without a come-a-long.

Any healthy person can shoot up to a 45ACP. My wife has embarrassed a lot of talkers at the range with her 1911, that isnt what she carries though. We are not all built that way and AGE has a way of making you humble. Having a big bore does not mean you are armed any more than having a motorcycle means you can ride.

[Bagger John - #3785]

Bagger,

Try a 60+ year old female with arthrightis (sp). Tried her on a Single Six after a light loaded 38 was to much. She now owns  Kel-Tec 32ACP. I was trying to find a 22Mag revolver da/sa but the triggers on all I found were not made to be pulled by a human without a come-a-long.

From a carry perspective...the following probably won't work for most people. But for match or slow-speed target shooting, there are a number of shooting supply outfits that offer shooter's gloves/wrist braces which significantly reduce the effects of felt recoil - including the aggravation of an arthritic condition. Such devices can allow the shooter to practice effectively with larger-caliber firearms and not hurt their hands. They'll also prevent cumulative microtrauma from becoming a problem. As grips go, I've got a pretty strong one - yet I still wear a brace where permitted. I want to "keep" the grip healthy.

Any healthy person can shoot up to a 45ACP. My wife has embarrassed a lot of talkers at the range with her 1911, that isnt what she carries though. We are not all built that way and AGE has a way of making you humble. Having a big bore does not mean you are armed any more than having a motorcycle means you can ride.

The following would be considered a truly "big bore" handgun cartridge: 454 Casull, 460/500 S&W, 480 Ruger...475 Linebaugh...etc. I'm proficient with every one yet my fallback is (and probably always will be) the 45ACP, though the 10mm, 40S&W and similar autoloader chamberings can be used effectively in a combat or self-defense role.

(The military has done a heckuva lot of research into this topic, as you are undoubtedly aware.)

But I'm somewhat biased in my choice of calibers: Almost all the people I shoot with use a gun for a living in some way or another. They know what works...and what'll likely get you killed if the chips are down and you're facing a crazed opponent.

Remember - sane individuals as a rule don't forcefully accost another human being...or attempt to invade a home at 3AM.

Any gun is better than no gun in a bad situation but I would rather walk into one knowing what I had with me would more than likely result in the immediate termination of hostilities...if you catch my drift.

[Bagger John - #3785]

To the OP:

As others have pointed out...field-strip then detail the pistol. EVERY surface cleaned thoroughly, all parts inspected then reassemble the firearm after a liberal coating of gun oil on all metal-to-metal contact surfaces.

I do this regardless of manufacturer. Yes, the high-end shops can just as easily ship you a dirty firearm as  their low-buck contemporaries will... 

[solo1]

While I certainly agree with "bigger is better" , a series of hits with a .22 is better than a series of misses with a .45.

Unless you're shooting into multiple layers of heavy clothing, a ballistic vest or some other energy-dampening arrangement, that is. The head - while effectively compromised by a .22LR round - is never a sure target in a firefight. This situation is where a round with a high KP value (itself a function of terminal kinetic energy and bullet diameter) is going to make the difference between you walking away or not.

I've had people in my classes that most certainly couldn't handle bigger bores.  "Just sayin" 

Where is that "sarcasm" icon when we need it?  ??? 

I've never met a shooter - male or female - who (with proper instruction and practice) couldn't handle a 45ACP. I usually start beginners off with (for example) a 1911 equipped with a 22LR upper...and when they're confidently shooting it I switch them to the larger caliber.

Note that I don't recommend introducing a beginning shooter to high-powered pistol calibers right off the bat. They've got to learn proper trigger control, weapons operation and shot placement before having to deal with recoil management. Anyone looking to "impress" a neophyte by letting them shoot a large-caliber, hard-kicking handgun is IMHO doing the newcomer a serious disservice...one which will likely impart some very hard-to-UNlearn habits. Such as a pronounced flinch...

All of what you say is true, Bagger .  We are talking two different things. If, and I mean If I was giving instruction one on one with a lot of time, I also could have anyone shooting any big bore caliber after gradually working with them on lighter calibers.  Sight picture, breath control, stance, grip, flinching, etc, etc, legal advice, etc, etc.
However, such is not the case with me.  I'm 81 years old and I have been down that road many times.
I started shooting handguns around 1947.  I've been in most aspects of the shooting sports for about the same number of years.. 
I'm impressed with your knowledge, it would be nice to get together sometime but not here on the VRCC forum so I'll pass. 

[Bagger John - #3785]

Solo1...you have a PM.

[2tonevalk]

Thanks for all the replies.  Heard from the Company, they will repair/replace at their discrepancy.  I like the look and feel of the gun.  The problem is that the hammer does not 'cycle' completely so as to strike the firing pin.  It gets almost to the 'edge of 'release' and it does not complete the 'turn'.  When I was shooting it, it shot 'sluggishly'.  I just thought it being a new gun it would loosen up.  However it went the other way and became a Nancy Pelosi paperweight.
But your all right.  I need to find something I 'trust'.  I guess I just bought a plinker for practice.  I could kick myself because I really was looking hard at this gun not having a trigger.  And if it did have a trigger, I wanted a low profile one.  Oh well you live and learn. 
Ray, you might wanna get it out and shoot it some.  You may have the same problem with it as I do.
The SCCY is the same company as the SKKY.  They just changed the name.
Thanks again for your feedback.  I appreciate it.  I have really never been a pistol owner.  We always had long guns in my family.  We had hunting rifles and shotguns.  So I am kinda learning as I go a long.
I think my next one is gonna be a Taurus Millenium.  I dont like it as well, but I know Taurus makes a nice gun.

Ride safe and thanks again
Robert

[V98]

2tone, you might want to think twice about that Taurus Millenium. A little forum surfing will show they've been problematic at best. Too bad because they make great revolvers, just seems like their autos have issues. For CCW I would recommend a compact Block, oops I mean glock, M&P, or XD. I know they're a little more $, but their reliability is unquestionable. My M&P's are the best autos I've ever owned(next to my 1911 of course  ).