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A local guy has a set of Jardine Rumblers off the bike for sale. Is anyone running them? I know sound is subjective but what would they compare to? Do they add any extra ponies? It has been said I am losing 8 hp with my Cobras. They are 6-2 Thanks 
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 06:24:32 AM » |
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A local guy has a set of Jardine Rumblers off the bike for sale. Is anyone running them? I know sound is subjective but what would they compare to? Do they add any extra ponies? It has been said I am losing 8 hp with my Cobras. Thanks  Anyone?
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 06:36:25 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 06:56:58 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod?
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 07:39:47 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod? No re-jetting. I have the glass pack on one of mine and with removable silencers. David
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 07:40:48 AM » |
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Most "Glasspack" modifications don't require rejetting. However if your bike has not had a carb sync done, it would be a good time to have it done. Also, you may look for an independent shop that has a Dyno. That way you can be sure if you may need a jetting change.
Valkyrie Norway's Dag also recommends the "Dial-A-Jet" system to help compensate for odd ball jetting issues. And Dial-A-Jet has been around for about thirty years, so they know a thing or two about jetting/performance tuning.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 08:03:08 AM » |
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here is what i did one one of mine, i cut off the stock pipes from the header pipe and used the reducer and welded the glass pack on and used truck stacks,,it was just a tad loud so i cut off 7 1/2 inches off the back of the stock pipes and slid it into the stacks and that was perfect for me...
on the second bike i simply cut off the 7 1/2 inches off the stock pipe and slid the truck stacks on what was left of the stock pipes,,, and wa laa,, sounded great and when i slid in the rear baffle it was stock quiet,,, best of both worlds,,,
now on this one i have now i havent decided yet,,,
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 08:50:04 AM » |
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here is what i did one one of mine, i cut off the stock pipes from the header pipe and used the reducer and welded the glass pack on and used truck stacks,,it was just a tad loud so i cut off 7 1/2 inches off the back of the stock pipes and slid it into the stacks and that was perfect for me...
on the second bike i simply cut off the 7 1/2 inches off the stock pipe and slid the truck stacks on what was left of the stock pipes,,, and wa laa,, sounded great and when i slid in the rear baffle it was stock quiet,,, best of both worlds,,,
now on this one i have now i havent decided yet,,,
I've done several mods. I really like the cut 7 1/2 inches and being able to used the cut off piece as a silencer. Some call this the Ragnar cut. I had done the Ragnar cut on my Tourer and then done the glass pack. The Ragnar cut I did was using a hole saw to cut over the rear baffles. If I had to do it over again I would do the 7 1/2 cut with the truck stacks and keep the rear baffles for silencers when needed. Like he said best of both worlds. Now Mark T sells a good setup. You being a welder I would look into cutting the rear baffles. As long as you leave the front baffles along and don't drill them no jetting. Now the only thing I can say is seat to pants dyno. The Ragnar seem to give me the best power and gas mileage and good sound. David
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 09:44:06 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod? No re-jetting. I have the glass pack on one of mine and with removable silencers. David Thanks David. Is there a write up on this? Tony
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 09:49:41 AM » |
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here is what i did one one of mine, i cut off the stock pipes from the header pipe and used the reducer and welded the glass pack on and used truck stacks,,it was just a tad loud so i cut off 7 1/2 inches off the back of the stock pipes and slid it into the stacks and that was perfect for me...
on the second bike i simply cut off the 7 1/2 inches off the stock pipe and slid the truck stacks on what was left of the stock pipes,,, and wa laa,, sounded great and when i slid in the rear baffle it was stock quiet,,, best of both worlds,,,
now on this one i have now i havent decided yet,,,
Yes I like the sound of "best of both worlds"!
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 09:51:30 AM » |
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had a set Jardine I put on after a wreck, theres a reason they're only 500 because they are crap!!
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 09:59:33 AM » |
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had a set Jardine I put on after a wreck, theres a reason they're only 500 because they are crap!!
Thanks, I kinda figured that after the price. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 10:19:04 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod? No re-jetting. I have the glass pack on one of mine and with removable silencers. David Thanks David. Is there a write up on this? Tony Here's the write up to the truck stacks http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/truckstackinstall.htm . As far as cutting the rear measure 7 1/2" from rear of pipes and cut. Not including the piggies. You can also drill a couple of holes and use metal screws where you knotch the stacks to help them stay secure just in case. Once you do the cut take your old baffles and peel the outer shell off it so it will fit in the truck stack. Here's a picture of Mark T silencers  David
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 10:44:48 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod? No re-jetting. I have the glass pack on one of mine and with removable silencers. David Thanks David. Is there a write up on this? Tony Here's the write up to the truck stacks http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/truckstackinstall.htm . As far as cutting the rear measure 7 1/2" from rear of pipes and cut. Not including the piggies. You can also drill a couple of holes and use metal screws where you knotch the stacks to help them stay secure just in case. Once you do the cut take your old baffles and peel the outer shell off it so it will fit in the truck stack. Here's a picture of Mark T silencers  David Thanks david that was exactly what I was looking for! I wonder if there's a sound bite on you tube?
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 10:46:51 AM » |
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i have never had to unwrap the silencer,, it has always just slid in,,
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 10:53:02 AM » |
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i have never had to unwrap the silencer,, it has always just slid in,,
That's even better. When I got mine they were already that way. Another member gave me his from Mark T. David
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 11:02:12 AM » |
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well i dont know about the rumblers,, but if you can weld,, do the glass pack mod or get a set from mark,,,
Thanks Jess, I found I can buy them new for a little over $500, so the guy selling his is not a great deal for me after all. Besides what little I found a forum search, I don't think I would like them because they are shorter than what I want. Yes I am a welder by trade so fabbing is no issue. I think I will experiment with the stockers. Would I have to rejet after the mod? No re-jetting. I have the glass pack on one of mine and with removable silencers. David Thanks David. Is there a write up on this? Tony Here's the write up to the truck stacks http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/truckstackinstall.htm . As far as cutting the rear measure 7 1/2" from rear of pipes and cut. Not including the piggies. You can also drill a couple of holes and use metal screws where you knotch the stacks to help them stay secure just in case. Once you do the cut take your old baffles and peel the outer shell off it so it will fit in the truck stack. Here's a picture of Mark T silencers  David Thanks david that was exactly what I was looking for! I wonder if there's a sound bite on you tube? Might be. I do know that my Ragnar versus cutting off the 7 1/2 inches sound different. To me the cut off has a little deeper sound at idle. I prefer the cutoff sound over the hole saw cut. The difference is you can do the hole saw cut with the pipes still on the bike. The other they need to be removed. I guess with a steady hand an a good reciprocating saw it could be done on the bike. Most people use a chop saw to do this. Also with the hole saw cut you can still use your old tips and chrome wrap. With the 7 1/2 inch it requires the truck stacks. Being a welder you could weld a piece on it and still use your old set up. JAT David
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2011, 11:14:15 AM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras!
I could only find one and it was a little boy revving it up.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 11:19:30 AM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras! So keep them!
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 12:22:19 PM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras! So keep them! Think I will!
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 03:00:37 PM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras!
I could only find one and it was a little boy revving it up.
I use to run Cobra's. They are in a class by their selves. Run them with the baffles and without. The Ragnar has a more deeper sound and as harsh as the Cobra's. If you like the Cobra pipes I would keep them. You could do the Ragnar cut and save the baffles. I know unless you have re jetted you get more hp with the stock pipes. Mine Cobra ran good with the jet kit, but gas mileage not to good. Some has run Cobra without the jet kit and still get good gas mileage. Jet it and gain around 8 hp, but lose gas mileage. David
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 03:14:32 PM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras!
I could only find one and it was a little boy revving it up.
I use to run Cobra's. They are in a class by their selves. Run them with the baffles and without. The Ragnar has a more deeper sound and as harsh as the Cobra's. If you like the Cobra pipes I would keep them. You could do the Ragnar cut and save the baffles. I know unless you have re jetted you get more hp with the stock pipes. Mine Cobra ran good with the jet kit, but gas mileage not to good. Some has run Cobra without the jet kit and still get good gas mileage. Jet it and gain around 8 hp, but lose gas mileage. David I don't wanna lose any gas mileage, it's bad enough now!  I wish someone had a sound bite of the set up you're talking about, I'd like to hear it. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 03:22:16 PM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras!
I could only find one and it was a little boy revving it up.
I use to run Cobra's. They are in a class by their selves. Run them with the baffles and without. The Ragnar has a more deeper sound and as harsh as the Cobra's. If you like the Cobra pipes I would keep them. You could do the Ragnar cut and save the baffles. I know unless you have re jetted you get more hp with the stock pipes. Mine Cobra ran good with the jet kit, but gas mileage not to good. Some has run Cobra without the jet kit and still get good gas mileage. Jet it and gain around 8 hp, but lose gas mileage. David I don't wanna lose any gas mileage, it's bad enough now!  I wish someone had a sound bite of the set up you're talking about, I'd like to hear it.  Some of Smokin Joe bunch runs the 7 1/2 cutoff. I think DETN8ER who lives in Lancaster, SC runs this set-up. Haven't heard from him in awhile, but I think Joe knows how to get in touch with him. David
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 03:37:03 PM » |
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I know sound is subjective and after hearing a mod on you tube, I love the sound of my Cobras!
I could only find one and it was a little boy revving it up.
I use to run Cobra's. They are in a class by their selves. Run them with the baffles and without. The Ragnar has a more deeper sound and as harsh as the Cobra's. If you like the Cobra pipes I would keep them. You could do the Ragnar cut and save the baffles. I know unless you have re jetted you get more hp with the stock pipes. Mine Cobra ran good with the jet kit, but gas mileage not to good. Some has run Cobra without the jet kit and still get good gas mileage. Jet it and gain around 8 hp, but lose gas mileage. David I don't wanna lose any gas mileage, it's bad enough now!  I wish someone had a sound bite of the set up you're talking about, I'd like to hear it.  Some of Smokin Joe bunch runs the 7 1/2 cutoff. I think DETN8ER who lives in Lancaster, SC runs this set-up. Haven't heard from him in awhile, but I think Joe knows how to get in touch with him. David Appreciate the info. I met DETN8ER on the BRPW a few weeks back, I'll get in touch with him. Thanks, Tony
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