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« on: October 04, 2011, 08:36:27 AM » |
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Should Legal Medical Marijuana Users Lose Gun Rights?
Posted on September 29, 2011 at 6:20pm by Buck Sexton
HELENA, Mont. (The Blaze/AP) — Firearms dealers in states that allow medical marijuana can’t sell guns or ammunition to registered users of the drug, a policy that marijuana and gun-rights groups say denies Second Amendment rights to individuals who are following state law.
Federal law already makes it illegal for someone to possess a gun if he or she is “an unlawful user of, or addicted to” marijuana or other controlled substances. A Sept. 21 letter from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, issued in response to numerous inquiries from gun dealers, clarifies that medical marijuana patients are included in that definition.
“There are no exceptions in federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by state law,” said the letter by Arthur Herbert, the ATF’s assistant director for enforcement programs and services.
Federal firearm licensees, or FFLs, can’t sell a gun to someone who answers “yes” when a required form asks whether the buyer is a controlled substance user. Last week‘s letter also says that licensed dealers can’t sell a gun or ammunition if they have “reasonable cause to believe” the buyer is using a controlled substance.
That includes if the buyer presents a medical marijuana card as identification, or if the buyer talks about drug use, having a medical marijuana card or a recent drug conviction, ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Wednesday.
But there are no new obligations for gun dealers outlined in the letter, Wade said.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 08:40:49 AM » |
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heck no. They have the right to protect themselves when the neighborhood kids come and try to take their stash!
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 08:41:48 AM » |
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While technically the law may be correct, it's a bunch of horses**t. Can we just legalize weed already? Haven't we got bigger things to spend billions of dollars on than stopping people from using a naturally growing plant that requires no processing?
The combination of alcohol abuse and guns is a much bigger problem than the combination of marijuana use and guns.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 08:43:18 AM » |
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While technically the law may be correct, it's a bunch of horses**t. Can we just legalize weed already? Haven't we got bigger things to spend billions of dollars on than stopping people from a naturally growing plant that requires no processing?
The combination of alcohol and guns is a much bigger problem than the combination marijuana use and guns.
It's rare, but every once in a while it happens... +1 what Anvil said...  |
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 09:44:54 AM » |
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 12:13:27 PM » |
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Really, is this a problem anywhere. If some guy has smoked some weed he is not looking to buy a gun unless it is made out of twinkies.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 12:34:12 PM » |
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My personal take on this is why should we give up our right to bear arms just because you have a perscription?
One can have a perscription for Vicodin, Valium, various anti-depressants, and still get a CPL/CCW in MI.
Someone in the ATF is full of $hit, and why weren'nt citizens allowed access to the information or allowed to vote on this issue. Whats next? Are they going to ban hunting bows for diabetics? Those ATF a$$holes.
I am pissed to no end that this is being rammed down our throats by the Feds.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 12:51:57 PM » |
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Federal law does not recognize any lawful use of marijuana (MJ). Federal law has long been that habitual (illegal) drug use prohibits lawful Federal possession (purchase) of firearms. Though a State law may allow lawful MJ use with prescription, a State prescription to this effect simply documents habitual use (lawful use in the State is irrelevant). Until and unless the Fed laws are changed, I would not have a State prescription for MJ, as it means forfeiture of your 2d amendment rights. You could go to court and argue that you only use at home, never while driving or shooting, and you would lose.
A similar situation exists for veterans service-connected for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) (or any other acquired psychiatric disorder), usually from combat service. Disibility ratings vary from 0-100 percent based on severity of the affliction. It is a combat NEUROSIS, and there was some movement toward stripping 2d amendment rights of veterans service-connected for PTSD. This especially goes hand in hand with the attempt under Obamaacare to centralize all medical records nationwide, ignoring medical privacy issues in so doing . This of course would also document any longstanding prescription(s) to psychotropic drugs for an acquired psychiatric disorder.
A similar issue exists for individuals who for whatever reason are dependent on pain killers or other controlled substances. To tell the truth on Federal firearm forms would bar you from purchase or possession of firearms. To not tell the truth is also a felony.
Decriminalization of MJ may be warranted, but it is slow and will be a long time coming, if ever. However, the argument to prohibit firearm ownership from anyone habituated to drugs remains strong.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 01:28:22 PM » |
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Can-o-worms to the Quarterdeck.
I agree with Anvil. Tax it, legally sell it over the counter.
Companys can still discern who uses and/or works.
I have a CDL so I'm probably out. The "war on weed" has failed.
I can getit inna new town in less than an hour.
Its a gun grab. My wife's loadie kids were all for it till they heard the 2nd amendment threat.
Then they started thinkin and I was impressed.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 02:21:29 PM » |
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Lucky for me Indiana allows alcohol and the carry of firearms, together. Because we have a drink does not mean we do not have the right to defend ourselves. The same for should be said for mj. If sales do get banned, they'll just buy it from a non dealer.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 02:38:35 PM » |
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Federal law does not recognize any lawful use of marijuana (MJ).
Ahh but see this is not true. The Fed DOES provide legal pot to prescribed users. They just don't want to. http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/09/us_government_provides_marijua.html |
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 02:53:04 PM » |
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the dea allows the prescription of Marinol. this is synthetic THC. same effect no smoke.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 05:49:50 PM » |
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The program once provided 14 people government pot. Now, there are four left. I stand corrected.... for those four people.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 05:53:12 PM » |
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Lucky for me Indiana allows alcohol and the carry of firearms, together. Because we have a drink does not mean we do not have the right to defend ourselves. Note that I said alcohol "abuse" and not "use". But there comes a point of intoxication where you have no business near a gun. |
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 06:31:02 PM » |
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While technically the law may be correct, it's a bunch of horses**t. Can we just legalize weed already? Haven't we got bigger things to spend billions of dollars on than stopping people from using a naturally growing plant that requires no processing?
The combination of alcohol abuse and guns is a much bigger problem than the combination of marijuana use and guns.
the not so slow march to legalizing pot has already begun, haven't you heard? why in MA. they have decriminalized it. if gahndi, mother theresa and someone sparking out some green sat at the same table the pothead would tell the other two 'why are you so angry?" alcohol and guns bad idea, pot and driving bad idea. as far as spending goes, libs never worry about the money unless it's something they don't approve of  I'm speaking as a fromer pothead, even if it was legal tomorrow I'd still be dry. that part of my life is over. |
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 07:38:31 PM » |
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Nope. In particular since they are in no way talking about someone who is currently under the influence at the time of purchase. Trying to buy a firearm when your drunk would be a bad idea and probably shouldn't be allowed. Being refused the right to buy a gun because you had a drink last week or the day before is a completely different thing. It's just another gun grab in my opinion. I'd be more worried about them driving while under the influence though. We don't need anymore cagers running 30 under the speed limit even if they are looking for pizza.  It's way past time for it to be legalized as far as I'm concerned. That would sure be a blow, probably a death blow to the drug cartels. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2011, 04:18:43 AM » |
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Wait, what were we talking about?
Oh ya, this is a bad way to go,like has been said
spirits and guns are alot more leatheal.
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2011, 09:13:52 AM » |
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It's way past time for it to be legalized as far as I'm concerned. That would sure be a blow, probably a death blow to the drug cartels.
It would be a serious blow. Some would shift focus to meth, cocaine and other drugs but weed is king right now. There are two organizations who are scared to death of the prospect of marijuana legalization; the cartels and the people who depend on the prison industry. Actually, add the Mexican government, so it's three. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2011, 09:44:22 AM » |
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While technically the law may be correct, it's a bunch of horses**t. Can we just legalize weed already? Haven't we got bigger things to spend billions of dollars on than stopping people from a naturally growing plant that requires no processing?
The combination of alcohol and guns is a much bigger problem than the combination marijuana use and guns.
It's rare, but every once in a while it happens... +1 what Anvil said... DITTO Anvil ain't right much but he's right now  |
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2011, 09:52:32 AM » |
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While technically the law may be correct, it's a bunch of horses**t. Can we just legalize weed already? Haven't we got bigger things to spend billions of dollars on than stopping people from a naturally growing plant that requires no processing?
The combination of alcohol and guns is a much bigger problem than the combination marijuana use and guns.
It's rare, but every once in a while it happens... +1 what Anvil said... DITTO Anvil ain't right much but he's right now If by "ain't right much" you mean "is right all the time" then you're on the button.  |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2011, 09:57:13 AM » |
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The program once provided 14 people government pot. Now, there are four left. I stand corrected.... for those four people. I wasn't looking to correct you as much as point out the Fed does things the way they want. They tell people that they don't support or believe in medical use but yet they do support it. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2011, 02:11:28 PM » |
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The program once provided 14 people government pot. Now, there are four left. I stand corrected.... for those four people. I wasn't looking to correct you as much as point out the Fed does things the way they want. They tell people that they don't support or believe in medical use but yet they do support it. No argument there. Our govt is perplexing....... all the time.  |
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2011, 02:13:28 PM » |
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So Don, which one of those pistolas is your favorite? |
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2011, 02:58:59 PM » |
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So Don, which one of those pistolas is your favorite? This is my favorite weapon Jess.  |
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2011, 03:54:59 PM » |
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I have one of those.
I even hit a squirrel with it once.
Mostly I just scare them.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2011, 06:12:50 PM » |
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2011, 07:14:35 PM » |
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In 1970, in high school living in Houston, I would never have believed that 40 years later the law would still be throwing kids in jail for having a joint in their sock...
And now? Surely it won't be another 40 years till legalization but I don't see the fed gov backing down anytime soon. Most people don't smoke it so it's just not a hot issue warranting any changes in the status quo.
Coincidentally, PBS just started a documentary about Prohibition. Now there, you had millions and millions of people openly flouting the law and demonstrating against prohibition, and it took a long time to repeal it. And the gov't desperately needed the money, but they fought repeal tooth and nail.
I don't know a lot about prohibition but caught an hour or so over 2 nights.
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2011, 08:22:29 AM » |
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Pass the ammunition,...and don't bogart that joint!
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