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« on: October 20, 2011, 11:40:20 AM »

SIRTE, Libya — Muammar Gaddafi was killed by Libyans he once scorned as "rats," succumbing to wounds, some seemingly inflicted after his capture by fighters who overran his last redoubt on Thursday in his hometown of Sirte.

Two months after Western-backed rebels ended 42 years of eccentric, often bloody, one-man rule by capturing the capital Tripoli, his death and the fall of the final bastion ended a nervous hiatus for the new interim government, which is now set to declare formal "liberation" with a timetable for elections.

The killing or capture of senior aides, including possibly two sons, as an armored convoy braved NATO air strikes in a desperate bid to break out of Sirte, may ease fears of diehards regrouping elsewhere - though cellphone video apparently of Gaddafi alive and being beaten may inflame his sympathizers.

A Libyan official said Gaddafi, 69, was killed in custody.

"We confirm that all the evils, plus Gaddafi, have vanished from this beloved country," interim Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril said in Tripoli as the body was delivered, a prize of war, to Misrata, the city whose siege and suffering at the hands of Gaddafi's forces made it a symbol of the rebel cause.

"It's time to start a new Libya, a united Libya," Jibril added. "One people, one future." A formal declaration of liberation, that will set the clock ticking on a timeline to elections, would be made by Friday, he said.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who spearheaded a Franco-British move in NATO to back the revolt against Gaddafi hailed a turn of events that few had expected so soon, since there had been little evidence that Gaddafi himself was in Sirte.

But he also alluded to fears that, without the glue of hatred for Gaddafi, the new Libya could descend, like Saddam Hussein's Iraq, into bloody factionalism: "The liberation of Sirte must signal ... the start of a process ... to establish a democratic system in which all groups in the country have their place and where fundamental freedoms are guaranteed," he said.

SHOT IN HEAD

A spokesman for the National Transitional Council (NTC) in Benghazi, Jalal al-Galal, said a doctor who examined the fallen strongman in Misrata found he had been shot in the head and abdomen. Jerky video shown on Al Jazeera showed a man looking like Gaddafi, with distinctive long, curly hair, blooded and staggering under blows from armed men, apparently NTC fighters.

"They captured him alive and while he was being taken away, they beat him and then they killed," one senior source in the NTC told Reuters. "He might have been resisting."

Driven in an ambulance from Sirte, his partially stripped body was delivered to a mosque in Misrata. Senior NTC official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters that DNA tests were being conducted to confirm it was Gaddafi. He would be buried in Misrata, most likely by Friday according to Muslim custom.

Officials said his son Mo'tassim, also seen bleeding but alive in a video, had also died. Another son, heir-apparent Saif al-Islam, was variously reported to be surrounded, captured or killed as conflicting accounts of the day's events crackled around networks of NTC fighters rejoicing in Sirte.

In Benghazi, where in February Gaddafi disdainfully said he would hunt down the "rats" who had emulated their Tunisian and Egyptian neighbors by rising up against an unloved autocrat, thousands took to the streets, loosing off weapons and dancing under the old tricolor flag revived by Gaddafi's opponents.

Mansour el Ferjani, 49, a Benghazi bank clerk and father of five posed his 9-year-old son for a photograph holding a Kalashnikov rifle: "Don't think I will give this gun to my son," he said. "Now that the war is over we must give up our weapons and the children must go to school.

"But Gaddafi was a terrible dictator and this was the only way to get rid of him. We want everything people have in free countries - want people to live in peace as you do across the Mediterranean where life doesn't require the machinegun."

In Sirte, a one-time fishing village and Gaddafi's home town that Gaddafi's grandiose schemes had styled a new "capital of Africa" for the "king of kings," fighters whooped with delight and some brandished a golden pistol they said they had taken from Gaddafi.

Accounts were hazy of his final hours, though there was no shortage of fighters willing to claim they saw Gaddafi, who had long pledged to go down fighting, cringing underground, like Saddam eight years ago, and pleading for his life.

FINAL HOURS

One possible description, pieced together from various sources, suggests Gaddafi tried to break out of his final redoubt at dawn in a convoy of vehicles after weeks of dogged resistance. However, he was stopped by a French air strike and captured, possibly some hours later, after gun battles with NTC fighters who found him hiding in a drainage culvert.

NATO said its warplanes fired on a convoy near Sirte about 8:30 a.m. (2:30 a.m. EDT), striking two military vehicles in the group, but could not confirm that Gaddafi had been a passenger. France later said its jets had been in action at the time.

Libyan television carried video of two drainage pipes, about a meter across, where it said fighters had cornered a man who long inspired both fear and admiration around the world.

After February's uprising in the long discontented east of the country around Benghazi -- inspired by the Arab Spring movements that overthrew the leaders of neighboring Tunisia and Egypt -- the revolt against Gaddafi ground slowly across the country before a dramatic turn saw Tripoli fall in August.

LIBERATION

An announcement of final liberation was expected as the chairman of the NTC prepared to address the nation of six million. They now face the challenge of turning oil wealth once monopolized by Gaddafi and his clan into a democracy that can heal an array of tribal, ethnic and regional divisions he exploited.

The two months since the fall of Tripoli have tested the nerves of the motley alliance of anti-Gaddafi forces and their Western and Arab backers, who had begun to question the ability of the NTC forces to root out diehard Gaddafi loyalists in Sirte and a couple of other towns.

Gaddafi, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of ordering the killing of civilians, was toppled by rebel forces on August 23, a week short of the 42nd anniversary of the military coup which brought him to power in 1969.

Hundreds of NTC troops had surrounded the Mediterranean coastal town of Sirte for weeks in a chaotic struggle that killed and wounded scores of the besieging forces and an unknown number of defenders.

"There is now this massive expectation. Up to now they've had an excuse that they are running a war. They don't have that now ... Everything now has got to happen," John Hamilton, a Libya expert at Cross Border Information, told Reuters.

"That's a hard task. They have to deliver for the people ... On the other hand, this may renew the honeymoon they enjoyed when Tripoli fell, if they can put a decent government together in a short time."

Some fear instability may linger and unsettle that process.

"Gaddafi is now a martyr and thus can become the rallying point for irredentist or tribal violence -- perhaps not in the immediate future but in the medium-to-long term," said George Joffe, a north Africa expert at Cambridge University.

"The fact that NATO can be blamed for his death is worrying, in terms of regional support, and may undermine the legitimacy of the National Transitional Council."

The death of Gaddafi is a setback to campaigners seeking the full truth about the 1988 bombing over Lockerbie in Scotland of Pan Am flight 103 which claimed 270 lives, mainly Americans, and for which one of Gaddafi's agents was convicted.

"There is much still to be resolved and we may now have lost an opportunity for getting nearer the truth," said Jim Swire, the father of one of the Lockerbie victims.

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »

First dibs on the wardrobe. I need new drapes.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 11:59:53 AM »

"NATO said its warplanes fired on a convoy near Sirte about 8:30 a.m."

How cool is that. NATO protecting the civilan population right to the end. (Pretty sure that was the stated mission)

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 12:00:59 PM »

First dibs on the wardrobe. I need new drapes.

Oooooh! I want his gold pistol!
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 02:16:50 PM »

I'm glad he's dead (the murdering lunatic). 

But we the American taxpayers footed some $1.2 billion in this escapade (per Zero's personal orders with no congressional approval or input), and we now have a country that is less stable, more likely to be actively anti-US, their missiles and other weapons are more likely to be used against us and Israel, and we of course will have little to no input on how they do set up a government (other than to pay millions more to people who despise us).

So why did we spend $1.2 billion we don't have...... and is the USA better off?  Time will tell, but I seriously doubt it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 03:12:54 PM »

OMG Joe you are going to the political side.

But he deserves everything he gets.

Ole Kay Daffi.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 03:17:23 PM »

I'm glad he's dead (the murdering lunatic). 

But we the American taxpayers footed some $1.2 billion in this escapade (per Zero's personal orders with no congressional approval or input), and we now have a country that is less stable, more likely to be actively anti-US, their missiles and other weapons are more likely to be used against us and Israel, and we of course will have little to no input on how they do set up a government (other than to pay millions more to people who despise us).

So why did we spend $1.2 billion we don't have...... and is the USA better off?  Time will tell, but I seriously doubt it.

Not to mention the fact that it was one of the things he told us we would NOT be doing under his administration. Granted it's small potatoes compared to Iraq, but that's not the point. I was told we'd be staying out of crap like this and it's one of the reasons he got my vote.

Although to be fair, McCain would have had us in a third full-scale conflict so it could have been worse.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 03:27:29 PM »

I'm just glad I won't have to see eight different spellings of his name anymore.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 05:21:04 PM »

SIRTE, Libya — Muammar Gaddafi was killed by Libyans he once scorned as "rats," succumbing to wounds, some seemingly inflicted after his capture by fighters who overran his last redoubt on Thursday in his hometown of Sirte.

Two months after Western-backed rebels ended 42 years of eccentric, often bloody, one-man rule by capturing the capital Tripoli, his death and the fall of the final bastion ended a nervous hiatus for the new interim government, which is now set to declare formal "liberation" with a timetable for elections.

The killing or capture of senior aides, including possibly two sons, as an armored convoy braved NATO air strikes in a desperate bid to break out of Sirte, may ease fears of diehards regrouping elsewhere - though cellphone video apparently of Gaddafi alive and being beaten may inflame his sympathizers.

A Libyan official said Gaddafi, 69, was killed in custody.

"We confirm that all the evils, plus Gaddafi, have vanished from this beloved country," interim Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril said in Tripoli as the body was delivered, a prize of war, to Misrata, the city whose siege and suffering at the hands of Gaddafi's forces made it a symbol of the rebel cause.

"It's time to start a new Libya, a united Libya," Jibril added. "One people, one future." A formal declaration of liberation, that will set the clock ticking on a timeline to elections, would be made by Friday, he said.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who spearheaded a Franco-British move in NATO to back the revolt against Gaddafi hailed a turn of events that few had expected so soon, since there had been little evidence that Gaddafi himself was in Sirte.

But he also alluded to fears that, without the glue of hatred for Gaddafi, the new Libya could descend, like Saddam Hussein's Iraq, into bloody factionalism: "The liberation of Sirte must signal ... the start of a process ... to establish a democratic system in which all groups in the country have their place and where fundamental freedoms are guaranteed," he said.

SHOT IN HEAD

A spokesman for the National Transitional Council (NTC) in Benghazi, Jalal al-Galal, said a doctor who examined the fallen strongman in Misrata found he had been shot in the head and abdomen. Jerky video shown on Al Jazeera showed a man looking like Gaddafi, with distinctive long, curly hair, blooded and staggering under blows from armed men, apparently NTC fighters.

"They captured him alive and while he was being taken away, they beat him and then they killed," one senior source in the NTC told Reuters. "He might have been resisting."

Driven in an ambulance from Sirte, his partially stripped body was delivered to a mosque in Misrata. Senior NTC official Abdel Majid Mlegta told Reuters that DNA tests were being conducted to confirm it was Gaddafi. He would be buried in Misrata, most likely by Friday according to Muslim custom.

Officials said his son Mo'tassim, also seen bleeding but alive in a video, had also died. Another son, heir-apparent Saif al-Islam, was variously reported to be surrounded, captured or killed as conflicting accounts of the day's events crackled around networks of NTC fighters rejoicing in Sirte.

In Benghazi, where in February Gaddafi disdainfully said he would hunt down the "rats" who had emulated their Tunisian and Egyptian neighbors by rising up against an unloved autocrat, thousands took to the streets, loosing off weapons and dancing under the old tricolor flag revived by Gaddafi's opponents.

Mansour el Ferjani, 49, a Benghazi bank clerk and father of five posed his 9-year-old son for a photograph holding a Kalashnikov rifle: "Don't think I will give this gun to my son," he said. "Now that the war is over we must give up our weapons and the children must go to school.

"But Gaddafi was a terrible dictator and this was the only way to get rid of him. We want everything people have in free countries - want people to live in peace as you do across the Mediterranean where life doesn't require the machinegun."

In Sirte, a one-time fishing village and Gaddafi's home town that Gaddafi's grandiose schemes had styled a new "capital of Africa" for the "king of kings," fighters whooped with delight and some brandished a golden pistol they said they had taken from Gaddafi.

Accounts were hazy of his final hours, though there was no shortage of fighters willing to claim they saw Gaddafi, who had long pledged to go down fighting, cringing underground, like Saddam eight years ago, and pleading for his life.

FINAL HOURS

One possible description, pieced together from various sources, suggests Gaddafi tried to break out of his final redoubt at dawn in a convoy of vehicles after weeks of dogged resistance. However, he was stopped by a French air strike and captured, possibly some hours later, after gun battles with NTC fighters who found him hiding in a drainage culvert.

NATO said its warplanes fired on a convoy near Sirte about 8:30 a.m. (2:30 a.m. EDT), striking two military vehicles in the group, but could not confirm that Gaddafi had been a passenger. France later said its jets had been in action at the time.

Libyan television carried video of two drainage pipes, about a meter across, where it said fighters had cornered a man who long inspired both fear and admiration around the world.

After February's uprising in the long discontented east of the country around Benghazi -- inspired by the Arab Spring movements that overthrew the leaders of neighboring Tunisia and Egypt -- the revolt against Gaddafi ground slowly across the country before a dramatic turn saw Tripoli fall in August.

LIBERATION

An announcement of final liberation was expected as the chairman of the NTC prepared to address the nation of six million. They now face the challenge of turning oil wealth once monopolized by Gaddafi and his clan into a democracy that can heal an array of tribal, ethnic and regional divisions he exploited.

The two months since the fall of Tripoli have tested the nerves of the motley alliance of anti-Gaddafi forces and their Western and Arab backers, who had begun to question the ability of the NTC forces to root out diehard Gaddafi loyalists in Sirte and a couple of other towns.

Gaddafi, wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of ordering the killing of civilians, was toppled by rebel forces on August 23, a week short of the 42nd anniversary of the military coup which brought him to power in 1969.

Hundreds of NTC troops had surrounded the Mediterranean coastal town of Sirte for weeks in a chaotic struggle that killed and wounded scores of the besieging forces and an unknown number of defenders.

"There is now this massive expectation. Up to now they've had an excuse that they are running a war. They don't have that now ... Everything now has got to happen," John Hamilton, a Libya expert at Cross Border Information, told Reuters.

"That's a hard task. They have to deliver for the people ... On the other hand, this may renew the honeymoon they enjoyed when Tripoli fell, if they can put a decent government together in a short time."

Some fear instability may linger and unsettle that process.

"Gaddafi is now a martyr and thus can become the rallying point for irredentist or tribal violence -- perhaps not in the immediate future but in the medium-to-long term," said George Joffe, a north Africa expert at Cambridge University.

"The fact that NATO can be blamed for his death is worrying, in terms of regional support, and may undermine the legitimacy of the National Transitional Council."

The death of Gaddafi is a setback to campaigners seeking the full truth about the 1988 bombing over Lockerbie in Scotland of Pan Am flight 103 which claimed 270 lives, mainly Americans, and for which one of Gaddafi's agents was convicted.

"There is much still to be resolved and we may now have lost an opportunity for getting nearer the truth," said Jim Swire, the father of one of the Lockerbie victims.




his whole family was sorry........ck out the site below


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/30/libya-maid-of-colonel-gaddafi-s-daughter-in-law-tortured-with-boiling-water-115875-23382040/

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 05:51:23 PM »

First dibs on the wardrobe. I need new drapes.

Oooooh! I want his gold pistol!

doesn't he have a gold machete?  no thats the wrong dictator  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 07:24:33 PM »

I'm glad he's dead (the murdering lunatic).  

But we the American taxpayers footed some $1.2 billion in this escapade (per Zero's personal orders with no congressional approval or input), and we now have a country that is less stable, more likely to be actively anti-US, their missiles and other weapons are more likely to be used against us and Israel, and we of course will have little to no input on how they do set up a government (other than to pay millions more to people who despise us).

So why did we spend $1.2 billion we don't have...... and is the USA better off?  Time will tell, but I seriously doubt it.


Not to mention the fact that it was one of the things he told us we would NOT be doing under his administration. Granted it's small potatoes compared to Iraq, but that's not the point. I was told we'd be staying out of crap like this and it's one of the reasons he got my vote.

Although to be fair, McCain would have had us in a third full-scale conflict so it could have been worse.


I know you are an Obama fan but  I think you are wrong about McCain. Contrary to popular belief, I believe he would have made an excellent president. Even though he's been in the political arena for years and made fun of bc of his age, I know he loves this country and is a true patriot in every sense of the word.

As to "third full-scale conflict" I believe just the opposite. He would think twice or hundreds of times before sending our troops into harms way. If he had become president, he would be the only one in modern history to suffer for our country like he did in Nam. Spending over 5 1/2 years in a POW camp he could have gotten an early release because his father was a top admiral but he would not leave his men. Beaten every 2 hours, broke all his teeth, legs, arms and on and on. This link will give a little insight on his captivity. War is hell in combat or especially a POW camp! Yeah I don't believe he would want to put anyone through that unless we had to- not like now. IMO we need to get all our guys out ...and now Libya- dajavu. Roll Eyes

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/mccain/articles/2007/03/01/20070301mccainbio-chapter3.html
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