Tire changing stand.

[Thespian]

 After reading about the success everyone is having with the dyna-beads, i cant see why i shouldn't start changing my rubber out myself. Having never done this, using a purpose built stand sounds like a good way to go.
What are you all using if anything other than a work bench?

 This club has been a great resource in getting to know my new bike.
Thank you all for your input.
 

[art]

I've been doing it that way for seven years.I just use tire irons a vise an a shaft thru the wheel an plenty of lube of the tire.I have a car tire of the back an a back tire on the front.A good tire changing devise would work a lot better but I have limited space to secure one to the floor so I do it the hard way.Not really that hard.That is the way they did it in the old days an that is how I learned it.

[04strider]

I have the set up the same as this thread with the HF tire changer, nylon blocks to protect the wheel, and use the Mojo lever, it WORKS.  Also use the HF tire balancer and always balance to 1/4oz or less, smooth way beyond 100mph.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php?topic=8185.0
After looking though, it appears HF no longer offers the tire changer through the internet site.  Maybe the store still has stock or could get them?

[Thespian]

 thanks for the links guys, was what i was looking for. Do you not recommend the Dyna beads?

[GOOSE]

i've been using dyna-beads for a couple of years now....love them....will not go back to weights.

[Tropic traveler]

Dyna-Beads are working great for me.
I'm with you on the do it yourself tire change, Thespain. With Dyna-Beads, Ride-On or any other self balancing product available I saw no reason not to do it myself.  I've done 4 tire changes in the last month at home. I ditched the rear CT & put a new Metz on my '99 using the Dyna-Beads & new metal stems & it's smooth as silk. I dismounted & remounted the Avon's on Kim's bike to change the stock valve stems to the metal kind before our trip last week too. Had to clean the inside of both the rims as a p.o. had used some kind of sealer that was caked up on the inside of the rims. What a mess!
I did them all on the bench or floor with hand tools & some cussing. I do plan to make a home made tire changer from a Ranger truck 15" rim to make the tire jobs a relative snap. I'll post pics when I get it done.

 

[Fudd]

There's always gonna be somebody to pipe-in as the devil's advocate.  That be me this time.  I personally prefer Ride-on to Dyna-beads.  I too, have had perfect ballance without weights.  Ride-on will get you home after picking up a nail, also.  The one time I broke down a tire with dyna-beads, I got them everywhere in my shop.  I swore that would be the last time.

[GOOSE]

to avoid a big mess with the dynabeads, after taking the air out of the tire, lay the tire down and break the bead.....then take a small hand vacuum with a clean filter/hose/nozzle and suck all the beads out of the tire while pushing down on the bead.  then just put the beads back into the next tire.   i use my beads over and over with NO MESS.

[Gryphon Rider]

Here's the chronicle my experience:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,31087.0.html

[Tropic traveler]

Here's the chronicle my experience:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,31087.0.html

 

That's what I'll be modeling my changer after. 

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Here's the chronicle my experience:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,31087.0.html

 

That's what I'll be modeling my changer after. 

When you put the wheel on that ....See all those threads on the bolt ? It will destory the dust sealers fighting it on and off .I built mine and changed two tires .....If I carry the wheel in I can get them mounted and balanced at a local bike shop for $20.00 with no damage to my rims or my back 
Pictures below is the one I built out in my shed it's still there but as stated I just pay the $20.00 to get them mounted now. I bought my tire irons at Northern and got about $45.00 in this total counting the tire irons....If you go this route watch the seals on the threads cause they will destory them . I taped the threads off on the last tire and it still did some damage to the dust seals.

[04strider]

Nothing against the dyna beads or ride on stuff, but gravity balancing with the HF balancer is fairly fast and easy and always balances out smooth, just takes a little patience.  One key to limiting the amount of weight is to look on a new tire to see if it has a balancing dot and line this up with the valve stem.  Most quality name brand tires done this way usually require 1/2oz or less.

[PAVALKER]

Nothing against the dyna beads or ride on stuff, but gravity balancing with the HF balancer is fairly fast and easy and always balances out smooth, just takes a little patience.  One key to limiting the amount of weight is to look on a new tire to see if it has a balancing dot and line this up with the valve stem.  Most quality name brand tires done this way usually require 1/2oz or less.

My wheel had some kind of balancing dot on it as well, before I wore it off of course.  I never could remember if the dots were to be together, with the stem or opposite etc etc.  I just put it on and balance it.  If it was too far off I could break the bead and rotate it of course.

Using the axle and some auto jack stands I could balance it as well.   Dyna beads are nice but a little PITA with the bent valve stems at times (checking air make sure you are near a compressor).

[Tropic traveler]

I hear ya Joe but it's more the time than the money. Peace of mind figures in as well. The money saving part will be nice but around these parts it's hard to find a shop that will do the mounting on a tire they don't sell you. Taking the combination of waiting for a shop to "get to" your bike & how much of a price diff in the tire puchase I like the DIY option much better. I muscled on & off 4 tires on the floor and it was not that bad. Having a decent way to hold the tire down firm & it will be a breeze. Also I can purchase tires ahead of time while they are on sale & have them ready to go. With my luck having flats I need that more than I care to admit. 
I've called 4 shops in this area & none of them would change a tire they didn't sell. One said they wouldn't do carry-ins at all, would only do the whole job or nothing.
If any of you guys have found a local shop that will do good work on your carry-in tire swap consider yourself lucky. It aint the case everywhere.
Good point about the damage the threads can do Joe. I'll see what I can come up with to fix that! 

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I hear ya Joe but it's more the time than the money. Peace of mind figures in as well. The money saving part will be nice but around these parts it's hard to find a shop that will do the mounting on a tire they don't sell you. Taking the combination of waiting for a shop to "get to" your bike & how much of a price diff in the tire puchase I like the DIY option much better. I muscled on & off 4 tires on the floor and it was not that bad. Having a decent way to hold the tire down firm & it will be a breeze. Also I can purchase tires ahead of time while they are on sale & have them ready to go. With my luck having flats I need that more than I care to admit. 
I've called 4 shops in this area & none of them would change a tire they didn't sell. One said they wouldn't do carry-ins at all, would only do the whole job or nothing.
If any of you guys have found a local shop that will do good work on your carry-in tire swap consider yourself lucky. It aint the case everywhere.
Good point about the damage the threads can do Joe. I'll see what I can come up with to fix that! 

The dude that does my tires has a small motorcycle paint and body shop that sells tires and does engine work etc. I was having trouble finding someone to mount the car tire thats why I built the " thing " in my shed....When I found this guy he said " If you've got the money I'll mount a tractor tire on your bike if thats what you want cause I'm here to make a dollar ".

[olddog1946]

oh boy, I wish I could get a tire mounted for $20...costs $50 bucks if I bring it in..I'm thinking I need to find me a decent changer of my own...especially if I can find one that will do cars and bikes..I've got 7 cars, 1 SUV, and 2 pickups, plus the fat lady...

[Ricky-D]

Most all the time you will find that resistance to mounting a tire is anti-biker bias coupled with the "nanny" stance.

Obscene high cost for doing it is based on the feeling of "where else can you go" and insecurity about unreasonable and unfounded liability concerns.

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[olddog1946]

Most all the time you will find that resistance to mounting a tire is anti-biker bias coupled with the "nanny" stance.

Obscene high cost for doing it is based on the feeling of "where else can you go" and insecurity about unreasonable and unfounded liability concerns.

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Don't think anti-biker bias is the problem as I get mine done at the local V-twin shop..However, like many business's currently in operation their main concern is getting every penny for each minute spent doing any job..plus i.e. flat rate of 3/4 hour plus the governor's beer money..However, they were the only place around that would even consider mounting a C/T..and do charge the same for a M/C tire as well...

[Mildew]

I have a hard time changing my mine. I did it twice and now spend $50 to get both tires mounted. My local bike shop closed where it only cost $20.
Anyhow, when I changed mine myself I never balanced them and never noticed  a difference in the wear or ride. Nothing against dyno beads but I think I get the most out of my tires either way. I just need to make myself pull the rear tire of and grease the splines in between tire changes. I had a mess last time.

[Thespian]

 I have a local bike shop that will do walk in's for $21. My son has a large shop and  with 14 vehicles between the two of us, getting a stand that I can bolt to the floor of the shop will save us allot of money. 
I like the look of this, and the price.
http://www.fleetfarm.com/catalog/product_detail/car-truck/maintenance-parts/tools/larin-tire-changer

 Thanks again for all the input!

[04strider]

Thespain, other than the color, that stand is absolutely identical to the lower stand that HF sells (sold) and the MC changing part mounts on.  HF charged $49 for it.  it is what I use.