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Author Topic: Hertz Fires 26 Muslim Drivers For Not Clocking Out For Prayer Breaks  (Read 1020 times)
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« on: October 22, 2011, 07:31:44 PM »

Hertz Fires 26 Muslim Drivers For Not Clocking Out For Prayer Breaks

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...7Csec3_lnk3%7C106552

A few weeks after being put on suspension, more than 20 Muslim drivers were fired by Hertz for refusing to clock out before taking prayer breaks.

The dispute stems from the car rental company's new policy that requires all employees to clock out before breaks, even for religious observation, the Associated Press reports. All company employees receive two 10-minute paid breaks during an eight-hour shift.

Hertz officials say the 34 Somali Muslims who work at the Sea-Tac Airport location in Seattle that were placed on suspension were given the option to sign a document agreeing to abide by the policy, but 26 of them did not comply and were fired.

Clocking out for breaks would not affect pay. The employees were against the policy because they "feel monitored during their religions rituals," according to the Seattle Weekly.

Hertz said some of the employees were taking breaks that exceeded the 10-minute limit, and they're reinforcing the policy in an effort to "promote fairness in the workplace," Seattle's KOMO reports.

"It's not about prayer, it's not about religion; it's about reasonable requirements," Hertz spokesperson Rich Broome told the Associated Press.

Teamster 117, the union representing the workers, said they tried to negotiate with Hertz before they terminated the employees, but that the company thinks it's a fair solution to the problem.

The union says the company should have taken a different approach to the problem before instating a general rule.

"If there's a problem with the performance or the conduct of any employee, you have the right to deal with that employee individually. That's not what they did here," union spokesperson Tracey Thompson, told KOMO.

The union filed an unfair labor practices complaint with the National Labor Relations Board, the AP reports.
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I've got to be honest here, Local 117 is full of crap on this one. Obviously, extended breaks were becoming a problem. Those who were taking the allowed breaks are being cheated by those extending their breaks. By persuing the issue the way it was done, all employees and the company benefits. It appears to me that those terminated choose the path that lead to their own job loss. This isn't a religion issue, it not a political issue, it's a labor issue. It's about fairness to all employees and fairness to the company. The same thing applies to those who extend their breaks for that extra cigarette.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 06:12:03 AM »



I've got to be honest here, Local 117 is full of crap on this one. Obviously, extended breaks were becoming a problem. Those who were taking the allowed breaks are being cheated by those extending their breaks. By pursuing the issue the way it was done, all employees and the company benefits. It appears to me that those terminated choose the path that lead to their own job loss. This isn't a religion issue, it not a political issue, it's a labor issue. It's about fairness to all employees and fairness to the company. The same thing applies to those who extend their breaks for that extra cigarette.
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I agree with you on this. Why should the unions be stepping in on this anyway. If you can't abide by the rules then you don't deserve the job. My last job they implemented a NO smoking policy in the shop. I don't smoke but I was outside talking to one the guys who does. The boss asked my why I was out there,I told him I was "taking my Non Smoking smoke break". Why should one person get preferential treatment over another just because they have to pray multiple times a day or smoke a cigarette. Its not fair to the employees that Don't smoke or in this case are not Muslim.....
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 06:16:40 AM »



I've got to be honest here, Local 117 is full of crap on this one. Obviously, extended breaks were becoming a problem. Those who were taking the allowed breaks are being cheated by those extending their breaks. By pursuing the issue the way it was done, all employees and the company benefits. It appears to me that those terminated choose the path that lead to their own job loss. This isn't a religion issue, it not a political issue, it's a labor issue. It's about fairness to all employees and fairness to the company. The same thing applies to those who extend their breaks for that extra cigarette.

I agree with you on this. Why should the unions be stepping in on this anyway. If you can't abide by the rules then you don't deserve the job. My last job they implemented a NO smoking policy in the shop. I don't smoke but I was outside talking to one the guys who does. The boss asked my why I was out there,I told him I was "taking my Non Smoking smoke break". Why should one person get preferential treatment over another just because they have to pray multiple times a day or smoke a cigarette. Its not fair to the employees that Don't smoke or in this case are not Muslim.....
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My Wife works for a local bank.....and since we don't have kids, she doesn't get to use "Family Leave" days that are only for the ppl who have children...which are separate from Vac and sick days..... Angry
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 06:39:40 AM »


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I've got to be honest here, Local 117 is full of crap on this one. Obviously, extended breaks were becoming a problem. Those who were taking the allowed breaks are being cheated by those extending their breaks. By pursuing the issue the way it was done, all employees and the company benefits. It appears to me that those terminated choose the path that lead to their own job loss. This isn't a religion issue, it not a political issue, it's a labor issue. It's about fairness to all employees and fairness to the company. The same thing applies to those who extend their breaks for that extra cigarette.

I agree with you on this. Why should the unions be stepping in on this anyway. If you can't abide by the rules then you don't deserve the job. My last job they implemented a NO smoking policy in the shop. I don't smoke but I was outside talking to one the guys who does. The boss asked my why I was out there,I told him I was "taking my Non Smoking smoke break". Why should one person get preferential treatment over another just because they have to pray multiple times a day or smoke a cigarette. Its not fair to the employees that Don't smoke or in this case are not Muslim.....

My Wife works for a local bank.....and since we don't have kids, she doesn't get to use "Family Leave" days that are only for the ppl who have children...which are separate from Vac and sick days..... Angry


You have the option to have children and become eligible for that "family leave" benefit, or not.  If you don't then you should not be participating in the benefit.   Just like not being able to collect unemployment benefits unless you are unemployed.  Or maternity leave unless you have a baby.

I agree the Union Local 117 is pissin in the wind and deserves any blow back it gets.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 06:48:43 AM »

She just sees some ppl sometimes taking advantage of it.....used properly, she doesn't mind......and my Wife has never once called in sick in the 17.5yrs she's been there.....her eyes were opened wide earlier this year when they let half of her work unit go, and they let go the harder working ones and left the "abusers"....that was a tough week for her....and it would have been nice if they'd taught her how to do some of the work those folks had been doing.....smart, real smart......and now she has a new boss that, of course, doesn't know much about what they're doing.....I was almost beginning to think she worked for the Govt!!......... Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 09:23:22 AM »

I enjoy my non-smoking breaks just like the smokers.
Arent they the same folks that carved the Star of David in that guy's back in St. Louis?
I'm glad they got sacked. Time to stand up. Not just because of who they are, mind you,
Know the rules of where you work. Sounds like Hertz tried to accomodate them, but they wanted one inch more.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 10:22:41 AM »



I've got to be honest here, Local 117 is full of crap on this one. Obviously, extended breaks were becoming a problem. Those who were taking the allowed breaks are being cheated by those extending their breaks. By pursuing the issue the way it was done, all employees and the company benefits. It appears to me that those terminated choose the path that lead to their own job loss. This isn't a religion issue, it not a political issue, it's a labor issue. It's about fairness to all employees and fairness to the company. The same thing applies to those who extend their breaks for that extra cigarette.

I agree with you on this. Why should the unions be stepping in on this anyway. If you can't abide by the rules then you don't deserve the job. My last job they implemented a NO smoking policy in the shop. I don't smoke but I was outside talking to one the guys who does. The boss asked my why I was out there,I told him I was "taking my Non Smoking smoke break". Why should one person get preferential treatment over another just because they have to pray multiple times a day or smoke a cigarette. Its not fair to the employees that Don't smoke or in this case are not Muslim.....

My Wife works for a local bank.....and since we don't have kids, she doesn't get to use "Family Leave" days that are only for the ppl who have children...which are separate from Vac and sick days..... Angry
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when i was in the hospital last year my wife used a coupla "family days" to be with me during the worst part. no problem with her employer. family doesn't mean children only.
ymmv
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