So I'm at the Wal-Mart tonight.....

[fudgie]

Getting paint supplies so we can redue the living room this weekend. Kit and I were leaving and I noticed the halloween candy. I better get some incase someone stops by. So she leaves and as I'm looking at the candy and the wal mart greeter comes up and says 'sir.' I had my EMS sweatshirt on and my radio and I took care of this guy twice a year ago and thought he was gonna talk about that. Nope. 'Are you carring a firearm?' 'Yep'. Caught me off gaurd or I woulda said something else.  'Are you a cop?' 'No.' 'I'm gonna have to ask you to put it in your car'. 'No you aint, but if your manager would like to then I'll take my bussiness else where.' Then we start talking about laws, just him and I, as he is a firearm carrier. He said they wont let him carry on the property in his car. Told him after July 1st 2011 you can. Then he said cops told him it needs to be covered and his boss told him his lisc should say CCW. Told him he needs to read up on his laws as he is very misinformed. Ind does not issue CCW permits. Only Lisc to carry a handgun. Told him you can open carry or CC, not matter what the LEO says. I guess his boss told him last night not to let anyone with a gun into the store. We talked a tad more then asked if he was getting a manger or not so I know if I'm gonna shop here anymore. So he goes and gets a lady manager. She walks up and we all look at each other for 30 sec. And she says, 'Him?' She said 'if no one has complained about it she dont care as long as I keep it covered.' 'I dont have to keep it covered per State Law.' 'I been open carring for 2 years here and this is the 1st time it was covered.' 'I dont know why you need a gun in here.' You never know.' 'He may shoot you first.' 'Even my husband leaves his in the car when he shops.' 'Thats to bad.' I say. "I escorted a guy out cause he had a gun but he was also being a dick.' 'He made me nervous and I'm nervous right now talking to you.' 'No need to be.' 'So am I ok?' 'Yes.'
Paid for my candy and left. I'll be cursed if I'm gonna keep it covered. I open carry twice a week there for 2 years and never a problem. I CC once and get nailed. As long as I'm am within my legal rights I'll be back with my .40 on my hip. Not sure what I'm gonna due next. Thinking about going in and talking with the other manager.
I hope this dont turn into a CC vs OC debate like MC vs CT debates lol. I'm pro open carry and you cant change my mind. 

[eric in md]

i just hate them @##$%% walmarts any how hate them ... never even go there ..

[Toledo Mark]

I would have told her I brought it in to make sure the ammo I gonna buy fits right.

[Gavin_Sons]

Your not the only one that has happened to. It happened to ne a couple years ago while i was talking to a police officer friend of mine. Of course he was off duty but carries his gun everywhere like i do. We were talking in the sporting goods area and a manager walked up and said they had been watching me on camera and had to ask me to leave. I said excuse me, and he went on to tell me they had a no firearm policy in their store and he was going to ask me to leave. I told him to show me the sign that said no firearms permited. Of course he couldnt. So as all of this was unfolding my cop buddy was laughing and finally said well i guess your going to have to tell me to leave too. The manager said yes if you have a gun. Thats when my buddy pulled his badge out and said i dont believe eithe one of us will be going anywhere. Made my day.  They eventually put signs on the front doors that said no firearms but they cant enforce it.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Sounds like they are badly misinformed concerning the new law. I had some issues with my employer when the law took effect in July. After they looked it up at my urging they said they would obey the new law and that was the end of it.

I think a private business/property owner can ban or allow firearms in their building as they chose. But, with a few exceptions I don't remember right now they can't ban anyone, employee or not from having a firearm out of sight in their locked vehicle. Also, it is against the law for an employer to even ask their employee if they have a firearm in their car. It doesn't need to be a handgun either. It can be a long gun which doesn't require a permit.

[Po]

At least you live in Indiana. I live in , ( I HATE TO SAY IT) Illinois, No rights at all.

[hotglue #43]

Yep... I hate riding thru Ill......  and the same for New Jersey, New York, and Wis.  It seems the places ya might need to be armed the most... do not allow it.  A PITA to unload, separate and secure... and even that is not enough in some states.... You have to avoid them... or take your chances.

[RoadKill]

Yep... I hate riding thru Ill......  and the same for New Jersey, New York, and Wis.  It seems the places ya might need to be armed the most... do not allow it.  A PITA to unload, separate and secure... and even that is not enough in some states.... You have to avoid them... or take your chances.

Just have to look at the odds.... are the chances better that you show your gun to law enforcement or that you let a lawless idiot in on your little secret ?  Stupid is every where and even wearing the badge sometimes,but which chance do you take ?

[solo1]

About eight years ago, when I was a councilman, the local newspaper published the names of elected officials who had a license to carry. I was on the list.  I called them on it. My reasoning was that it was now public knowledge that I had at least one firearm.

The law has now been changed.

I do not carry openly.  I don't want to advertise the fact for various reasons. When I'm riding I also wave left turners to go ahead of me at four way stops even though I HAVE the right of way when I'm first to the intersection. 

I'm not paranoid, I just try to be careful.

[Jess Tolbirt]

now the bad guys know who to rob,,,its the ones that dont allow customers to carry,,,

[Jabba]

I agree with Frye... a property Owner has the right to not allow guns on their property.  So... if Wal-Mart adopts this policy... I'll stop shopping there.  I have been thinking about it anyway. If they do that... Sam Walton will roll over in his grave.  You think the pro-gun lobby in America is powerless, ask K-Mart.  When they decided to stop selling ammo for political purposes, we got pissed at them and they are a shadow of their former selves.

Now... I agree with Fudgie too.  Open or concealed carry, I am a fan.  I go to this restaurant for lunch sometimes called the tie die grill.  The proprieter open carries.  There are almost always 6-10 non uniformed officers in there, and while talking to the owner about it all, he told me that 3-4 of the staff is armed at any given time.  That place makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.  The over under for handguns in that dining room at any given time is about 14.

Someone decides to rob THAT place... and they are in DEEP doo doo.

Jabba

[musclehead]

I agree with Frye... a property Owner has the right to not allow guns on their property.  So... if Wal-Mart adopts this policy... I'll stop shopping there.  I have been thinking about it anyway. If they do that... Sam Walton will roll over in his grave.  You think the pro-gun lobby in America is powerless, ask K-Mart.  When they decided to stop selling ammo for political purposes, we got pissed at them and they are a shadow of their former selves.

Now... I agree with Fudgie too.  Open or concealed carry, I am a fan.  I go to this restaurant for lunch sometimes called the tie die grill.  The proprieter open carries.  There are almost always 6-10 non uniformed officers in there, and while talking to the owner about it all, he told me that 3-4 of the staff is armed at any given time.  That place makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.  The over under for handguns in that dining room at any given time is about 14.

Someone decides to rob THAT place... and they are in DEEP doo doo.

Jabba

I'm trying to remember the name of the bar near the cop shop in Champaign Il, I think it was 'the blue island' someone actually tried to rob it back when I was a young man, it's the hang out for off duty cops. it was probably like that scene in that chuck norris movie where the dummies rob the cop's bar

[eric in md]

I agree with Frye... a property Owner has the right to not allow guns on their property.  So... if Wal-Mart adopts this policy... I'll stop shopping there.  I have been thinking about it anyway. If they do that... Sam Walton will roll over in his grave.  You think the pro-gun lobby in America is powerless, ask K-Mart.  When they decided to stop selling ammo for political purposes, we got pissed at them and they are a shadow of their former selves.

Now... I agree with Fudgie too.  Open or concealed carry, I am a fan.  I go to this restaurant for lunch sometimes called the tie die grill.  The proprieter open carries.  There are almost always 6-10 non uniformed officers in there, and while talking to the owner about it all, he told me that 3-4 of the staff is armed at any given time.  That place makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.  The over under for handguns in that dining room at any given time is about 14.

Someone decides to rob THAT place... and they are in DEEP doo doo.

Jabba

I'm trying to remember the name of the bar near the cop shop in Champaign Il, I think it was 'the blue island' someone actually tried to rob it back when I was a young man, it's the hang out for off duty cops. it was probably like that scene in that chuck norris movie where the dummies rob the cop's bar

  i was thinking the same thing.. i bet them places wont get robbed now will they?

[IamGCW]

I am curios about the new law.  Do you have a link to it?
Open carry would be legal everywhere if it were my choice.  Doubt I would do it all the time since my job would not allow it.  But riding on the bike with open carry would be one one time I would.  Does your holster have a safety strap to keep idiots from grabbing the gun?

Gil

[Chrisj CMA]

OK, so I need a few things for dinner tonight. (Pizza Night) I arrive at the local Wally World and motor over to the motorcycle parking area.  As I turn in I notice another bike parked in the hashed area by some handicapped parking......and a huge truck parked sideways in the motorcycle parking. 

As I look at this picture I realize that after repaving, WM failed to repaint "motorcycle parking" on that area and to make it more confusing they put the lines for the bike parking way too close together so now they dont look like parking slots, they look just like the hashes near the handicapped spots.

So, not being in a hurry I decide to make it an issue, suggest some changes.

So I go to customer service and explain my problem......the lady says "Oh, we have the manager that is in control of the parking lot here today Ill get her"  Great, at least Ill get someone that can do something.

20 minutes later she strolls up and identifies herself to me and I explain again my problem......I almost fell over

She says "We have motorcycle parking?  You need to show me where it is, I think that sounds like something I should know about"

The only good part was that after I showed her the area she agreed with me that she needed to get some signs.

I wonder how much extra she gets paid for "managing" the parking lot.

What a joke

[Chrisj CMA]

I am curios about the new law.  Do you have a link to it?
Open carry would be legal everywhere if it were my choice.  Doubt I would do it all the time since my job would not allow it.  But riding on the bike with open carry would be one one time I would.  Does your holster have a safety strap to keep idiots from grabbing the gun?

Gil

Ya, I like Ted Nugent's definiton of a permit for open/concealed carry.....the 2nd ammendment to the constitution PERIOD

[fudgie]

I am curios about the new law.  Do you have a link to it?
Open carry would be legal everywhere if it were my choice.  Doubt I would do it all the time since my job would not allow it.  But riding on the bike with open carry would be one one time I would.  Does your holster have a safety strap to keep idiots from grabbing the gun?

Gil

Well the new law is for Ind residences or those outta State that carry in Indiana. Its not good for every State.
Open Carry is legal in, I think, 43 States. Some States you do not need a permit/ lisc if you open carry. Ohio does not honor my Ind LTCH but I can open carry legally there. No worries anyway since I have My Utah NR, which is good in Ohio, so I can carry how I want. Check you local, or the States you go through, about vehicle carry. They vary. Same for MC carry.
I OC all the time on the bike. 1 because my leather jacket wont fit over it good enough and I always get a huge draft if the coat is over the gun. My vest which I wear 100% on the bike is good either way.
My holster does have a strap, only because I'm left handed and cannot find a good paddle holster. I like it cause it gives good weather protection while riding and doing chores around home. Kit is right handed and has a Fobus for her wheel gun. No problems on the bike with it.
As far as someone taking it, no. There is no reported evidence of a gun being taken by open carring. Same for no evidence someone being a first target as they open carry. Retention holsters do a good job of securing the weapon. Kits is friction fit and I have trouble pulling it as she wears it.
www.opencarry.org   

[fudgie]

I agree with Frye... a property Owner has the right to not allow guns on their property.  So... if Wal-Mart adopts this policy... I'll stop shopping there.  I have been thinking about it anyway. If they do that... Sam Walton will roll over in his grave.  You think the pro-gun lobby in America is powerless, ask K-Mart.  When they decided to stop selling ammo for political purposes, we got pissed at them and they are a shadow of their former selves.

Now... I agree with Fudgie too.  Open or concealed carry, I am a fan.  I go to this restaurant for lunch sometimes called the tie die grill.  The proprieter open carries.  There are almost always 6-10 non uniformed officers in there, and while talking to the owner about it all, he told me that 3-4 of the staff is armed at any given time.  That place makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.  The over under for handguns in that dining room at any given time is about 14.

Someone decides to rob THAT place... and they are in DEEP doo doo.

Jabba

Wal mart has a long history of shooing gun owners out the door by management. Once corprate is called they have a different thought. Corp tells its stores to abide by what ever the State law is. It makes the store managers feel small. 
Same thing just happened to Hardees a few weeks ago. Some store manager tring to make up his own rules. Corp said no, follow State laws. 

[Davemn]

Please dont take what I am about to say as being a jerk. I am just trying to understand someones different opinion/culture.
For the life of me I dont understand why anyone would want to walk around in public carrying a gun out in the open. What is the need? I sure dont feel the need. If I lived somewhere and feared being attacked I would move to a dufferent safer place. Thats no way to live. And, if I walked into a private business and someone said that gun is not allowed I would leave without a fuss...not cite state laws etc.
Again, not trying to get you riled up but I am baffled about carrying a gun in a private business.
By the way, I have numerous guns and am a hunter.

[flcjr]

Fudgie,

   you might want to rethink your love of paddle holsters they are the worst for gun retension as they are easily ripped from your side with the side arm. You might get the opinion of them from some law enforcement or military I think most would agree. I like them for at the range but not for carry just not sucure enough. Just my two cents worth. I open carry and sometimes cc 

[The Anvil]

Please dont take what I am about to say as being a jerk. I am just trying to understand someones different opinion/culture.
For the life of me I dont understand why anyone would want to walk around in public carrying a gun out in the open. What is the need? I sure dont feel the need. If I lived somewhere and feared being attacked I would move to a dufferent safer place. Thats no way to live. And, if I walked into a private business and someone said that gun is not allowed I would leave without a fuss...not cite state laws etc.
Again, not trying to get you riled up but I am baffled about carrying a gun in a private business.
By the way, I have numerous guns and am a hunter.

We have the open carry option here in New Hampshire. Frankly, I think open carry is a bad idea. I like having the option, but in practice it's just not that wise.

However, an establishment is free to do as they choose. If a place says "no firearms" then that's their right to do so. I don't want someone I don't really know in my home with a gun so if someone wants to run their business that way then it's up to them. I may not be able to frequent their establishment but that's a risk they decide to take.

I've had my weapon exposed in Wal Mart before on numerous occasions (my gun too) and never even had a second glance.

[fudgie]

You are correct about private bussiness and I respect that. But when someone does not know corp policy and then try to make their own rules, then thats not right. Just like a Leo telling you one thing but law says another. Been to alot of places that say 'no colors'. I have been asked more then enough to remove my vest, VRCC patch, but politely refuse and I leave the establishment.

[The Anvil]

You are correct about private bussiness and I respect that. But when someone does not know corp policy and then try to make their own rules, then thats not right. Just like a Leo telling you one thing but law says another. Been to alot of places that say 'no colors'. I have been asked more then enough to remove my vest, VRCC patch, but politely refuse and I leave the establishment.

Oh I'm not defending what happened. Wal Mart employees ought to know better too because they get a lot of business from gun and gun related sales.

[fudgie]

Please dont take what I am about to say as being a jerk. I am just trying to understand someones different opinion/culture.
For the life of me I dont understand why anyone would want to walk around in public carrying a gun out in the open. What is the need? I sure dont feel the need. If I lived somewhere and feared being attacked I would move to a dufferent safer place. Thats no way to live. And, if I walked into a private business and someone said that gun is not allowed I would leave without a fuss...not cite state laws etc.
Again, not trying to get you riled up but I am baffled about carrying a gun in a private business.
By the way, I have numerous guns and am a hunter.

Man, what a jerk!   Just kidding with ya, no harm done.
To me its about conveinece and the ability to gain access. I dont have to address my clothing to my carring needs. Ah, its 95 deg out today I better wear my denim shirt since I'm carring today. Not gonna happen lol. Even cops open carry for a reason. Its a crime deterant. Are you gonna rob someone who is armed or the little old lady all by herself? So far so good for me, since I open carried no crime has been commited towards me.   Like I said before, no reported cases of a oc'er being shot or having his gun taken from him. Its all what ifs.
As far as needing it, you never know. Same as smoke detectors, I dont plan on needing them but I have them. Cant use the helmet thing since I dont wear one.   Schools are GFSZ. How many shooting are taken place there? Lane Bryants in a upscale part of town. 4 dead women. Dad has pulled his a few times. I even been shot at on my own property. It can happen. Better to be proactive then reactive.   Not telling you how to carry as you are your own person. Check out the web site I posted a few back, pretty informative.

[fudgie]

You are correct about private bussiness and I respect that. But when someone does not know corp policy and then try to make their own rules, then thats not right. Just like a Leo telling you one thing but law says another. Been to alot of places that say 'no colors'. I have been asked more then enough to remove my vest, VRCC patch, but politely refuse and I leave the establishment.

Oh I'm not defending what happened. Wal Mart employees ought to know better too because they get a lot of business from gun and gun related sales.

Thats what I mean, I was baffeled because I have seen alot of Wal mart corp policies that state all wal marts follow State laws when it comes to firearm carring.

[fudgie]

Please dont take what I am about to say as being a jerk. I am just trying to understand someones different opinion/culture.
For the life of me I dont understand why anyone would want to walk around in public carrying a gun out in the open. What is the need? I sure dont feel the need. If I lived somewhere and feared being attacked I would move to a dufferent safer place. Thats no way to live. And, if I walked into a private business and someone said that gun is not allowed I would leave without a fuss...not cite state laws etc.
Again, not trying to get you riled up but I am baffled about carrying a gun in a private business.
By the way, I have numerous guns and am a hunter.

Oh, I was prepared to leave, thats why I asked for a manager. Wasnt gonna have someone on their own ask me. When I was citing laws it was just him and I. He was asking the questions since others were telling him diferently. He didnt know a new (big) law was passed in July. We talked casually for a good 5 min.

[fudgie]

Fudgie,

   you might want to rethink your love of paddle holsters they are the worst for gun retension as they are easily ripped from your side with the side arm. You might get the opinion of them from some law enforcement or military I think most would agree. I like them for at the range but not for carry just not sucure enough. Just my two cents worth. I open carry and sometimes cc 

I watched a few videos of folks trying to get firearms out of retention & paddle holsters. Quite funny.  Problem is that I dont wear a belt often. If I'm out in the barn or in the field its easy to take it off and put it up for later. My Bianchi is actually a bitch to put on and take off. This is straight up and down. Side to side would even harder. Same for Kits fobus. If you do not pull straight out, its not coming out to easily. We've played before. 

[KW]

Interesting stuff. .  .  Oddly, I find myself agreeing with people I usually don’t agree with and conversely, disagreeing with some I usually do.

Anyway, if I’m reading your postings correctly fudgie, you’re saying in Indiana you can ‘open carry’ in a vehicle WITHOUT possessing a CPL license? I never heard of that before. In every State I know of – including Michigan - carrying a loaded gun, within reach, anywhere in a vehicle is considered “concealed.”  So, if you don’t posses a CPL (CCW) and have the gun loaded and within reach, you’d be in serious trouble.

The last Attorney General in Michigan (Mike Cox; a Pro-Gun Rights man) ruled (confirmed) the definition of “concealed carrying in a vehicle.”  He cleared it all up and issued an opinion the passenger area of the entire vehicle is “concealed” and falls under the CPL laws. What that means is; as a CPL holder in Michigan I can literally leave my pistol lying on the dashboard of my Yukon while I’m driving if I chose to. Since a motorcycle is considered a “motorized vehicle” I can, as a result of the opinion, now ‘open carry’ on one as well.

Michigan has always – at least in my adult life – has had ‘open carry’ on the books. Again, there’s places I would, but out shopping? What would be the advantages?  Certainly you don’t gain any defensive advantage from a bad guy who as out to do harm. He can mark you but you won’t know who he is until you feel the bullet exploding in your back; right in the center of the bulleyes you created by wearing your rig where it’s visible.

Please don’t misunderstand any of this. It is YOUR RIGHT to carry open if you chose. Just like I can throw my Glock on my dash as I drive in Michigan or strap it on my waist when I go to Walmart, but why would I? 

[The Anvil]

Michigan has always – at least in my adult life – has had ‘open carry’ on the books. Again, there’s places I would, but out shopping? What would be the advantages?  Certainly you don’t gain any defensive advantage from a bad guy who as out to do harm. He can mark you but you won’t know who he is until you feel the bullet exploding in your back; right in the center of the bulleyes you created by wearing your rig where it’s visible.

My feelings exactly. The reason why I like having the option of carrying exposed (and it's not a given, last time I looked if you carry in MA you HAD to keep it concealed. To display it could be considered a threatening gesture) is because I don't want to worry if my shirt lifts up and exposes my weapon. Also as the weather changes so do options for concealment. In the middle of July it might be quite difficult to completely conceal a full-sized H&K USP .40. You can make it less obvious but complete concealment just might not be possible.

But as I see it, in any interaction with a potential threat the individual in possession of more x-factors holds the advantage. "Is he carrying or is he not?" is a vital piece of information that I'd prefer to keep the "enemy" guessing on. Take Jared Lee Loughner for instance. Let's assume for a moment that he spots a man at the back of the pack carrying exposed on his hip. Does this end his killing spree before it begins? Maybe, but probably not. What it probably does instead is get one of the few people equipped to end the horror killed first and perhaps his weapon is even added to the killer's arsenal. No way to know one way or another, but as I said; I like having that x-factor on my side.

[Jess Tolbirt]

OK, so I need a few things for dinner tonight. (Pizza Night) I arrive at the local Wally World and motor over to the motorcycle parking area.  As I turn in I notice another bike parked in the hashed area by some handicapped parking......and a huge truck parked sideways in the motorcycle parking. 

As I look at this picture I realize that after repaving, WM failed to repaint "motorcycle parking" on that area and to make it more confusing they put the lines for the bike parking way too close together so now they dont look like parking slots, they look just like the hashes near the handicapped spots.

So, not being in a hurry I decide to make it an issue, suggest some changes.

So I go to customer service and explain my problem......the lady says "Oh, we have the manager that is in control of the parking lot here today Ill get her"  Great, at least Ill get someone that can do something.

20 minutes later she strolls up and identifies herself to me and I explain again my problem......I almost fell over

She says "We have motorcycle parking?  You need to show me where it is, I think that sounds like something I should know about"

The only good part was that after I showed her the area she agreed with me that she needed to get some signs.

I wonder how much extra she gets paid for "managing" the parking lot.

What a joke

are you talking about the stripped area out by the handicapped parking spots? If you are and you are parking there you might be taking up a space where a van would need to drop the side wheel chair ramp,, i have never seen a motorcycle parking spot at any wal mart i have been to...

[Steve K (IA)]

Please dont take what I am about to say as being a jerk. I am just trying to understand someones different opinion/culture.
For the life of me I dont understand why anyone would want to walk around in public carrying a gun out in the open. What is the need? I sure dont feel the need. If I lived somewhere and feared being attacked I would move to a dufferent safer place. Thats no way to live. And, if I walked into a private business and someone said that gun is not allowed I would leave without a fuss...not cite state laws etc.
Again, not trying to get you riled up but I am baffled about carrying a gun in a private business.
By the way, I have numerous guns and am a hunter.

   My thoughts exactly, except for the hunting part. 

[Bama Red]

I've never seen motorcycle parking at any Wally World either. Matter of fact, I don't recall ever seeing motorcycle specific parking anywhere. It'd be nice to have it at more locations.

[Hoser]

I've never seen motorcycle parking at any Wally World either. Matter of fact, I don't recall ever seeing motorcycle specific parking anywhere. It'd be nice to have it at more locations.

Seems as though Toepicker,(Topeka) Ks  has become more motorcycle friendly in recent years, with areas at the end of the block that are reserved for motorcycles, since cars won't fit there.  Most are marked as well.  They even have car spaces reserved for motorcycles at the  local university.(Kudos to myself when I suggested it at a staff meeting when I worked there.)  Willow takes advantage of one such marked spot when he comes to town.  Sorry about the thread drift.  (not really)   Hoser

[Chrisj CMA]

OK, so I need a few things for dinner tonight. (Pizza Night) I arrive at the local Wally World and motor over to the motorcycle parking area.  As I turn in I notice another bike parked in the hashed area by some handicapped parking......and a huge truck parked sideways in the motorcycle parking. 

As I look at this picture I realize that after repaving, WM failed to repaint "motorcycle parking" on that area and to make it more confusing they put the lines for the bike parking way too close together so now they dont look like parking slots, they look just like the hashes near the handicapped spots.

So, not being in a hurry I decide to make it an issue, suggest some changes.

So I go to customer service and explain my problem......the lady says "Oh, we have the manager that is in control of the parking lot here today Ill get her"  Great, at least Ill get someone that can do something.

20 minutes later she strolls up and identifies herself to me and I explain again my problem......I almost fell over

She says "We have motorcycle parking?  You need to show me where it is, I think that sounds like something I should know about"

The only good part was that after I showed her the area she agreed with me that she needed to get some signs.

I wonder how much extra she gets paid for "managing" the parking lot.

What a joke

are you talking about the stripped area out by the handicapped parking spots? If you are and you are parking there you might be taking up a space where a van would need to drop the side wheel chair ramp,, i have never seen a motorcycle parking spot at any wal mart i have been to...

No, Our Wal Mart HAS motorcycle parking.  And yes, some bikers do park where you are talking about.......part of it is Wal Mart's fault for bad signage

[DarkMeister]

"Mr. Schlockendonger? Yeah, hi. Listen, I won't be able to make it in to work today. The Voices told me to stay home and clean my guns.
But heck, if you're really short of staff and need me to come in, just say the word."
 

[czuch]

 I pointed to the "No gun zone" sign and tried to explain to Manager Thumbdick it meant "Good guy gun free zone". Kinda vacous crickett blank stare.

[Chrisj CMA]

Ya know.......I am a gun owner......there is usually a loaded handgun in my vehicle (bike or truck) and always a few in my home.  I open carry when Im going hunting all perfectly legal in Florida, but I have to say....There just seems to be more and more (looking for the right word) not too bright people out there today.  I have reservations lately that I didnt have a few years ago about the average citizen carrying guns now-adays.

And on top of that NEVER before in all my days frequenting gun ranges have I been in fear of my life so many times because of such poor gun safety skills of gun owners that are out at ranges these days. 

Its kinda like respect for the firearm is not taught at a young age and then the person decides its cool to have one, so they buy it because they can and even if they take a two day class, thats not enough to instill safe habits........

I just came back from my hunting property, we paced off a perfect 15m shooting area, all I need is a target stand and then I dont have to worry about who is next to me............

[The Anvil]

Ya know.......I am a gun owner......there is usually a loaded handgun in my vehicle (bike or truck) and always a few in my home.  I open carry when Im going hunting all perfectly legal in Florida, but I have to say....There just seems to be more and more (looking for the right word) not too bright people out there today.  I have reservations lately that I didnt have a few years ago about the average citizen carrying guns now-adays.

And on top of that NEVER before in all my days frequenting gun ranges have I been in fear of my life so many times because of such poor gun safety skills of gun owners that are out at ranges these days. 

Its kinda like respect for the firearm is not taught at a young age and then the person decides its cool to have one, so they buy it because they can and even if they take a two day class, thats not enough to instill safe habits........

I just came back from my hunting property, we paced off a perfect 15m shooting area, all I need is a target stand and then I dont have to worry about who is next to me............

The best indoor range in this area (at least in terms of facilities) rents firearms including full auto stuff. Anyone from anywhere can rent one and take it onto the range with ZERO training or instruction. I will not shoot there on weekends anymore because it's all yahoos (mostly Massholes like I used to be) with no business handling a weapon.

[IamGCW]

www.opencarry.org   
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Thanks for the link.  Thanks to all for the various comments and opinions.  I like my paddle holster, but would use a more secure one if allowed to ride with open carry.  For the reason that it has moved when sitting down.  Can't imagin what drivers would think of me riding and fiddiling with the gun to get the holster back in place. 

[KW]

I’d be careful choosing a ‘secure rig’ though. . .  I taught ‘Handgun Retention’ as part of the initial handgun training class as well as the Transportation module. We used a double snapped ‘Brand named’ rig which. When you pushed and held DOWN the gun, the holster secured it, preventing the bad guy from talking it.  It’s a vital technique when wrestling with bad guys, but believe me; it was HARD teaching people NOT to try and out muscle the scum trying to grab your gun. 

Anyway, in a civilian application, I’d be more concern with a smooth, snag free draw. I have several different paddle holsters for both of my carry Glocks and never have had any concerns about them falling free.  I also have a small leather (tuck in shirt type) and a nylon pocket holster. I use all of them, depending on where I’m going to be. Holsters aren’t expensive. Pick up a couple different ones to see what fits you best.  For me; I don’t plan on being near enough to any bad guy to let them grab the handle of my Glock (Yet another reason NOT to open carry!) And, if I have to run (a frightening thought. Leaning forward and waddling is about the best I can do) I’ll just put my hand over my gun and hold it if I’m worried about it falling out. 

Good luck