Collective Bargaining/Unions/Politicians

[PAVALKER]

This won't be in your local papers!

Please read the attached article below for yourself.

Remember the violent and disgusting demonstrations over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doing away with collective bargaining for teacher's unions? The results are in. Some school districts went from a $400,000 deficit to a $1,500,000 surplus as a result. Why?

It seems that the insurance company that provided all the "so-called" benefits to the teachers was an insurance company owned and operated by the teacher's union. Since the outfit was guaranteed to get the insurance business from the teachers, and the State had to pay for it (not the teachers) the insurance company was increasing annual costs every single year to become the most expensive insurance company in the state. Then the company was donating millions and millions of dollars to its favorite politicians who, when they got elected, guaranteed to keep funding the union's outrageous costs. In other words, the insurance company was a "pass through" for Wisconsin taxpayer money directly to the politicians.

Nice racket, and this is the racket that is going on in every single State that allows collective bargaining. No wonder the States are taking it away. Now the State of Wisconsin is free to put the insurance contract out for bids and, lo and behold, they have saved so much money it has turned deficits into surplus amounts. As a result, none of the teachers had to be laid off, everyone got a raise, etc., etc., and the taxpayers of Wisconsin don't have to pay more taxes to fund the union's political ambitions.

Here is the article:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/wisconsin-schools-buck-union-cut-health-costs

[Gear Jammer]

Interesting read,,,,,,,,,

[musclehead]

and they have actually hired MORE teachers

most americans like educators, its a well respected gig

most americans revile union bosses, not much respect there. I mentioned this a while back all the doom and gloom and chaos expected by the left has not come to pass.

the union insurance companies did the exact thing they ALWAYS accuse private insurance companies of ie; jack up rates and ripping people off. 

lets see what happens now in Ohio 

[Cliff]

.................... As a result, none of the teachers had to be laid off, everyone got a raise, etc., etc., ....................

Did I miss something in the article regarding teachers receiving a raise or that they hired more teachers??????

[The Anvil]

.................... As a result, none of the teachers had to be laid off, everyone got a raise, etc., etc., ....................

Did I miss something in the article regarding teachers receiving a raise or that they hired more teachers??????

That must be information stored somewhere else. 

[Momz]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class.

The term "Redneck" refers to the coalminers rebeliion against unsafe working conditions, extremely low wages, long work days, company stores and company housing.
They wore red neckerchiefs so that the army could tell them apart from the anti-union security thugs.

In MI, Flint, Detroit, and other autoplants there were so many unfair and dangerous conditions that gave rise to the UAW.

Not verything a union does is to be considered "above board" but that can be said of employers too.
Of course Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

[PAVALKER]

.................... As a result, none of the teachers had to be laid off, everyone got a raise, etc., etc., ....................

Did I miss something in the article regarding teachers receiving a raise or that they hired more teachers??????

That must be information stored somewhere else.  

If you didn't care to read some of the related articles then you missed that....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/06/union-curbs-rescue-wisconsin-school-district

I believe the Unions may have had their time and place, and did some good for the workers, country etc.  But that time and place is no more, and they have become nothing more the same greedy money grabbin politicians for the most part (IMO). 

[big d]

i am truly shocked that you could insinuate that the governor and his party was right

[ptgb]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

What is so funny sad is that so many of that middle class are willing to roll over and just take it.

But, then again, that is what the politicians and CEOs want to happen... the middle class fighting so much amongst themselves that they are completely ignoring their own demise at the hands of others.

[G-Man]

But, then again, that is the what the politicians and CEOs want to happen... the middle class fighting so much amongst themselves that they are completely ignoring their own demise at the hands of others.

This is EXACTLY what Glen Beck said!  EXACTLY!     I know, I know, phuck Glen Beck, he's an idiot.  But he sure called this one.  But not with the whole union thing.  He was refering to the protesting and the insane split in ideology amongst the people that we would fight each other while the few behind the scenes orchestrators sat back and enjoyed the spoils at our expense.

[MP]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

[BigAl]

Demand and Markets should set the wages.

The anti-free-marketers are the socialists of tomorrow.

Anti-trust laws.

OSHA and other organizations now protect the worker.

Lawsuits and Lawyers are the ones that win the cases for the worker.

Not the Unions.

In most casese not all.
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My wife was in a Union 29 years on the job and she was first to go.

Union said sorry we can't help you and her dues were paid in full.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Demand and Markets should set the wages.

The anti-free-marketers are the socialists of tomorrow.

Anti-trust laws.

OSHA and other organizations now protect the worker.

Lawsuits and Lawyers are the ones that win the cases for the worker.

Not the Unions.

In most casese not all.
'
My wife was in a Union 29 years on the job and she was first to go.

Union said sorry we can't help you and her dues were paid in full.

I'm a union worker ( 26 years ) and damn proud of it . The only way that could happen where I work is excessive absenteeism , failure of a drug or alcohol test....Y'all wish the union away when your kids and grand-kids are working 80 hours a week straight time for nothing just to keep a job ... Rejoice that the unions are gone.

[RTaz]

[/quote]I'm a union worker ( 26 years ) and damn proud of it . The only way that could happen where I work is excessive absenteeism , failure of a drug or alcohol test....Y'all wish the union away when your kids and grand-kids are working 80 hours a week straight time for nothing just to keep a job ... Rejoice that the unions are gone.
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I'm with you Joe   

[Buda]

I'm a union worker ( 26 years ) and damn proud of it . The only way that could happen where I work is excessive absenteeism , failure of a drug or alcohol test....Y'all wish the union away when your kids and grand-kids are working 80 hours a week straight time for nothing just to keep a job ... Rejoice that the unions are gone.
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I'm with you Joe   
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As am I 

[Pete]

WHOA folks.

It is not the Unions or the Companies it is the KICKBACK, CROOKS, PAYOFFS on both sides and couple that with crooked politicians.

To fix a problem you have to identify it, criminals need to be prosecuted and jailed be they Unions, politicians or company owners then we can get on with life.

You Union folks need to clean up you unions.
You company folks need to clean up your companies.
We all need to vote out crooks in politics.

enough said.  

[Stanley Steamer]

WHOA folks.

It is not the Unions or the Companies it is the KICKBACK, CROOKS, PAYOFFS on both sides and couple that with crooked politicians.

To fix a problem you have to identify it, criminals need to be prosecuted and jailed be they Unions, politicians or company owners then we can get on with life.

You Union folks need to clean up you unions.
You company folks need to clean up your companies.
We all need to vote out crooks in politics.

enough said.  

 

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

We all need to vote out crooks in politics.

enough said.  

Vote out this bunch and the next bunch of crooks move in. Politics is a vicious neverending cycle.Why else would someone spend millions to get elected to a job that pays hundreds .

[biguglyman]

It is not the Unions or the Companies it is the KICKBACK, CROOKS, PAYOFFS on both sides and couple that with crooked politicians.

To fix a problem you have to identify it, criminals need to be prosecuted and jailed be they Unions, politicians or company owners then we can get on with life.

You Union folks need to clean up you unions.
You company folks need to clean up your companies.
We all need to vote out crooks in politics.

enough said.

Amen brother.

[BF]

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where I stand. 

[Hoser]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

And if it weren't so cold and I wasn't so damn old, I'd be up there, MP.  Hoser 

[Jess Tolbirt]

I'm a union worker ( 26 years ) and damn proud of it . The only way that could happen where I work is excessive absenteeism , failure of a drug or alcohol test....Y'all wish the union away when your kids and grand-kids are working 80 hours a week straight time for nothing just to keep a job ... Rejoice that the unions are gone.
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That was the old days Joe,,the unions did good as I was IBEW for 40 years,, I dont think what went on back then will happen tomorrow,,

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

That was the old days Joe

I'm a union worker ( 26 years ) and damn proud of it . The only way that could happen where I work is excessive absenteeism , failure of a drug or alcohol test....Y'all wish the union away when your kids and grand-kids are working 80 hours a week straight time for nothing just to keep a job ... Rejoice that the unions are gone.

[/quote]

Corporate greed is alive and kickin' the only reason it's not still like the " old days " is the unions.



"Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions.  One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts."

[BigAl]

Wife had sick leave and vacation when she was ambushed.

Union said sorry can't help you with anything.

The Unions in the south ain't like the Northern fellows have.

They are basically supporting the Unions Officers at the International Headquarters.

I have seen some of my Union officials ,,,,,,,,,what a Joke.

I am a Machinist in Good Standing with my local. Honarary withdrawal

My company did not have a job for a Machinist, so now I am Suck Butt Salary.

Fellers got to make a living.

[musclehead]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

are you hiring?  4.5 years experience OTR

[big d]

while everyone can argue pro's and con's for unions, it is the benifit packages that  they negotiate  is crippling. the article is proof of that. does the union still have its place in todays society, in some instances yes. but the biggest problem i see is that the delegates are just like polititions, out to protect their own job and make as much money as they can. if they go back to looking out for the workers like they originally started out doing then great, but until they do that they are a hinderance. another huge problem is the salaries they negotiate because it is a union shop. dont get me wrong, i am all for making as much in a salary as possible but if not for being in the union the market would never pay that much. and then people wonder why things cost so much...

[MP]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

are you hiring?  4.5 years experience OTR

If serious, PM me.  Of course, non union, never will be, and still paying $30 per hour, with experience!

My apologies to my buddy, Joe!

MP

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

are you hiring?   4.5 years experience OTR

If serious, PM me.  Of course, non union, never will be, and still paying $30 per hour, with experience!

My apologies to my buddy, Joe!

MP

No apologies need Melvin you are a good man and $30.00 a hour is damn good money that's right at or ahead of most union scale Teamsters .

[bscrive]

I have been in the union for over 18 years, and they have never did a damn thing for me.  I work for the Federal Gov't up here in Canada and when I had a problem with getting myself promoted they just told me that there was nothing they could do.  I took the bull by the horns myself and brought it through the higher chains of command until I got to the top.  Stated my case, gave my arguments and I got the promotion. 

I have to agree that the unions have done what was needed but, their time has come to take a bow and leave the stage.  Now, it seems, they are there for their own agendas and they don't give a crap about the workers.  The reason things are so expensive these days is because unions have driven the price of the labour so high.  A car in '88 that sold for $8000 now sells for $27000.  My wages have not kept up with that kind of increase.  You used to finance a car for 48 months, then 60 months, now people have to finance it for 84 months to afford the same car.   It used to be that one income could sustain a family, now it takes two, unless the one person is making a butt load of cash.  Not the case for most though.

[MP]

How about the two union big wigs in, I believe IL, substitute  taught school ONE DAY, and are now eligible for big retirement benefits!?

Over $100,000 per year, for life!  You teachers should be outraged!

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/24/one-day-of-teaching-nets-il-union-lobbyists-100k-per-year-state-pensions/

MP

[musclehead]

Collective bagaining has been an essential part of this countries rise in the middle class...

And with the demise of unions, so goes the demise of the middle class.

And why is that?  ND is a Right to Work State.  the pay for driving truck up here just went to $30 per hour, plus a 100% paid health insurance plan.  My drivers are averaging over 50 hours per week, and are at about $100,000 per year income, plus full health.

They are NOT middle income?  They are in NO union.

MP

are you hiring?  4.5 years experience OTR

If serious, PM me.  Of course, non union, never will be, and still paying $30 per hour, with experience!

My apologies to my buddy, Joe!

MP

your guys paid by the hour, probably a local gig. I'd have one helluva time convincing my wife to move BACK into the snow. especially since she's now acclimated to Florida 

[alph]

Alright, i've got to chime in, since i live in Wisconsin.....

another good thing that happened is that a bunch of older, grumpier, worthless teachers decided to FINALLY retire!  that's why so many NEW teaching positions came available.  losing those high dollar teachers opened the door for some good younger blood, people that WANT to teach, not just show up for a job.  plus, the state is only asking the teachers to pay 12% to their own retirement and benefits, ask yourself how much YOU pay for YOUR OWN retirement and benefits?  the average Wisconsinite pays up to 21% of their wage to medical and retirement.  the next thing is hopefully making it impossible for these teachers to not  be able to retire, collect retirement money, then work part time in the same position they retired from, for the same amount of money they were making before they retired.  kinda like double dipping.  wouldn't you like to do that at your work place??

as for unions, they don't accept everyone.  i tried three times to get in with the local IBEW.  the last and final time i tried i brought the union a list of 7 co-workers that were also interested in joining.  much of their decisions are political, and they DO look at political opinions.

[Jeff K]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/jobs_employment/september_2011/48_see_no_further_need_for_labor_unions_30_disagree