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Valkahuna
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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2011, 10:50:20 AM »

I feel your pain.  They don't carry swimmy diapers in my size.

How's a guy supposed to drink Mojitos all day in the hot tub without ever getting out?

Hot tubs got plenty of chlorine...... Just let it go  Roll Eyes


Okay but what about the nachos supreme I've been pounding all day???

Stanley, I have those exact same Spongebob boxers!*

Wal Mart buys whatever's cheapest, it just so happens that this is China's department. But I don't blame Wal Mart for that. I blame ever tightening household budgets and the cheap, chiseling pricks who DO have the money but won't pay a little more for American made goods. Because of the rising cost of Chinese labor and the fuel used to ship it here more and more products are being made in the USA again. I was surprised to see that most of the Sterilite stuff and the plastic kitchenware items Wal Mart sells are made here now.


*You have to stop leaving your underwear at my house.



Hey Anvil,

Sterilite is a Townsend MA company that also has other US locations. They don't have a china plant. Most house ware stuff is too bulky to make it worthwhile to mold in China, and import back to here. My company sells Injection Molding machines. While a lot of that work has gone to China, it is typically smaller stuff, or items that require a lot of labor to assemble. The stuff that Sterilite (and others) makes is basically finished as molded, and gets boxed and shipped.

You are also correct in what you say about some stuff that had been screwed together in China coming back due to increasing labor rates there. Some of my customers are even bringing stuff back to Connecticut for assembly, testing, and distribution. Even Thailand is now considered expensive, and the "Cheap" labor appears to be in India and Viet Nam.
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2011, 10:57:54 AM »

Did some more digging, and it turns out I wasn't correct.  Sunoco doesn't sell "all-american" fuel, but doesn't use any from the middle east.

From http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/food-stores/4475980-1.html:

Sunoco and Wal-Mart announced plans to develop a fuel brand exclusively for Wal-Mart parking lots in the Northeast in 2000. Wal-Mart has similar agreements with Murphy Oil Corp., operating under the Murphy banner, in the Southeast and Tesoro Petroleum Corp., under the Mirastar brand, on the West Coast.

Murphy Oil produces oil in US, Canada, Malaysia and UK and Republic of the Congo.  
http://www.murphyoilcorp.com/ir/annualreport/2010/Murphy_Oil_AR2010.pdf

Tesoro is a refinery company that uses oil from various sources, not all of which are identifed as to country of origin - they're lumped together as "foreign" except for the Hawa'ii refinery, which claims "Feedstocks: Southeast Asia, Middle East, Russia, foreign crudes"
http://www.tsocorp.com/TSOCorp/AboutUs/CorporateFactSheet/ssLINK/factsheet

Sunoco:
Crude Oil Source:                                                                                          2010 2009 2008
West Africa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 385.1 365.5 434.6
Domestic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76.9 53.3 62.1
Canada . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67.0 71.7 75.0
Central Asia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46.7 85.9 71.8
North Sea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.6 31.7 7.6
South and Central America . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.0 12.5 31.8
Australia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . — — 5.4
“Lubes-Extracted” Gasoil/Naphtha Intermediate Feedstock . . . . . . . . . . . 2.4 8.4 12.8
http://hesreport.sunocoinc.com/fw/main/Company-Profile-1237.html
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The Anvil
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »

It was just on the news last night. Wal-Mart wants to put a store in one of the cities around here. They said on the news for every job that Wal-Mart creates in the community. 1.4 are lost due to the impact of them in the area.

I don't buy that figure.
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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2011, 01:13:26 PM »

Me either i would have thought it's even higher. Channel 5 news MPLS/MN
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2011, 01:54:16 PM »

http://www.ag-econ.ncsu.edu/VIRTUAL_LIBRARY/ECONOMIST/novdec05.pdf

There has been a study published on the topic, and believe it or not, there are positives and negatives to a Wal-mart opening in a community.  The same can be said for ANY "big-box" store - Home depot, H.E.B., Giant, Giant Eagle, Albertsons, Lowes, 84 Lumber, K-mart, Target, etc, etc, etc.

Read the report, in its entirety, and then come back and try to say that Walmart is always bad.

Also, ask anyone who has endured a disaster such as Katrina who was the first to have supplies to help them.  They won't tell you it was the Red Cross or National Guard, although their actions are to be lauded.  The FIRST supplies were put on the ground by Walmart, Home Depot and Lowes.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHome/RealKatrinaHeroWalMartStudySays.aspx
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090501598.html
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The Anvil
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« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2011, 02:01:23 PM »

I can tell you that the opening of the Supercenter is actually going to bring jobs INTO Derry. They've already built a pet supply superstore in anticipation of all of the Wal Mart traffic. The negative impact is going to be in the form of increased downtown traffic but Wal Mart is partially paying for infrastructure improvements that have become necessary whether Wal Mart expands or not. It's definitely NOT all bad.

Wal Mart is capitalism at it's best AND worst.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

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« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2011, 02:07:24 PM »

I WILL NOT SHOP THERE.  It would be fine with me if some activist started burning them down.  There are SIX - COUNT EM - SIX - walmart "supercenters" within 20 minutes of my rural house.  DO YA THINK THEY HAVE ARRIVED AT RETAIL SATURATION YET?  .  They just built another one THREE MILES from my place, on the edge of a small rural town of 1500 souls. There is now NO POSSIBILITY of the dead town center reviving.  

It saddens me that the majority of the complaints in this thread about walmart, are about being inconvenienced in some way.  Jeez, folks, WAKE UP!  YOU ARE MISSING THE BIG PICTURE.  Did you notice recently, that the Supreme Court THREW OUT the women's complaint about discrimination, ON THE BASIS THAT THEIR SAMPLE WAS TOO SMALL TO REPRESENT ALL WOMEN EMPLOYEES OF WALMART.  What chance did these poor women have, up against the unlimited legal resources of THE WORLD'S LARGEST COMPANY?  Do you know, whenever walmart is ordered to produce evidence in the discovery phase of every lawsuit, they SIMPLY REFUSE TO PRODUCE AND THEN PAY THE COURT ORDERED FINE FOR CONTEMPT.  Which might be six figures, but it's peanuts to their bottom line, and a pittance compared to the ramifications of what the court might order as a result of the discovery evidence.  THEY NEED TO BE FINED IN THE BILLIONS.

Did you notice in the news last week, walmart just announce a BIG increase in employee health care co-pays, with a reduction in coverage to their full time employees (of course, part timers get no health care). I'm recalling, it was around a 40% increase in cost.  Anaylsts reported, WALMART IS WAY OUT OF LINE WITH THE REST OF INDUSTRY, HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE 5% NOT 40.  They said it appears to be a corporate decision to boost walmart's bottom line.  The already underpaid employees interviewed, said they will have to choose between food and health care.  Food will get the nod, and their health care will now be emergency-room care, and other welfare methods. Guess who pays for that?  YOU DO!  

Dave Lippman has assembled the points better than I can.  ITS NOT JUST A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE, OR SAVING A QUARTER HERE AND THERE.  IT'S ABOUT AMERICA, AND OUR WAY OF LIFE - WHICH HAS BEEN, AND IS BEING KILLED BY WALMART.

From Dave Lippman:

Let's talk about why

I
HATE
WAL-MART

I don't like whips, I don't like chains
I don't go choppin' up my neighbors' brains

UP AGAINST THE WAL-MART

Wal-Mart is the nation's (and the world's) biggest retailer. But the problem is not just Wal-Mart - Toys R Us, McDonalds, Microsoft, Barnes and Noble, Starbucks, the Gap, Kinko's, Circuit City, Home Depot, Nations Bank...all wipe out the smaller, more local competition. Why? Because they can. McDonalds in the Eiffel Tower, K-Mart in Greenwich Village - is this our destiny? Read on....

Only a company of their size can buy direct from manufacturers, cutting out the distributor. They buy so cheaply they can resell to other stores at cheaper than wholesale. Thus they can ruin the competition through PREDATORY PRICING.

WAL-MART REPORT CARD
Human Rights       F
Diversity             F
Community          F
Ecology              F
Spirituality           F


The trend of mega-mergers and huge chains is wiping out small business everywhere, and with it the distinctiveness of local cultures. Not just in the U.S., but all over this great varied planet. Chains are everywhere, and who benefits? Not the small business, not the small town, not the individual - only a few guys pretty high up in the chain's food chain. Consider: Wal-Mart's annual sales are larger than the entire Gross Domestic Product of 161 countries! Do the Wal-Math: They are bigger than most nations, yet they have no government that answers to the people it affects. They are unaccountable to anyone. Democracy must include the ability to control those who control us!

WAL-MART RULES

If a town declines to welcome GodzillaMart, the next town over will take it, pulling trade and tax dollars out of local coffers. The town has no choice - the terms are dictated by the retail giant from afar. Is this right, fair, or decent? Is this Middle American family values? No more mom and pop stores here. The nation is being covered by a Wal-to-Wal-Mart carpet, the nation blanketed not with daisy chains of wildflowers, but something more like kudzu. Welcome, Weed-Mart.
Big businesses put their money in big banks, taking it far out of town. Money spent in a chain store leaves town on the next electronic transfer, while money spent in a local store circulates in the community seven more times before leaving. In other words, chains use local workers and consumers as a colony, extracting their wealth and exporting to the mother country. Sound familiar? Can you say American Revolution?

BUT IT'S CHEAP AND CONVENIENT!

YES. For shoppers. But guess what: Democracy, human rights, and social justice are never cheap, and seldom convenient. If we shop conveniently while Rome burns, we'll have only ourselves to blame when they've reduced our workforce to workfare and our towns to malls, our culture to cookie-cutter sameness.

YES. IT'S CONVENIENT TO HIRE CHEAP LABOR.
But there are harmful, hidden costs to convenience.

SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE...

...end up working in a department of Wal-Mart, nostalgic for their homey store and friendly neighborhood shopping experience. And lots of these jobs are part-time and without benefits.Who are the pillars of your community? The merchant, the banker, the principal, the poet, the police chief, the alderman.....None of these people can decide what sort of town you'll have. ONLY Wal-Mart CAN. Megastores tear the social fabric.
SMALL TOWN LIFE ALTERED

Downtowns destroyed, the shopping experience robbed of its community flavor, reduced to Downtown in a Box. Shopping malls are all the same - you could be anywhere in the country (or world), except where you really are - your town.

THEY'VE GOT US...

...filing through their aisles and checkstands in orderly fashion, buying their wares and buying their revision of the flavor of our lives. Perhaps we've forgotten what it was like to walk instead of drive, to encounter our neighbors on foot instead of in traffic. Perhaps we've forgotten the vibrancy of civic life - the discussion of issues, the (God forbid!)...

POLITICAL ACTIVITY

that takes place on city streets. In a privately owned shopping mall, it's illegal to pass out leaflets telling shoppers about the suffering of the workers who picked the strawberries, sewed the sneakers....This separation of commerce from social responsibility means that we don't get to vote on basic human rights where it really matters, where we have power: at the point of sale.
STAY IN YOUR CARS.
DO NOT TALK TO STRANGERS.
DO NOT QUESTION THE WAY WE'VE ORGANIZED
  YOUR SHOPPING FOR YOU.
SHOP TIL YOU DROP.
HAVE A NICE DAY.


WHAT ABOUT THE WORKERS?

The concentration of ownership and power, along with treaties like GATT and NAFTA, means more and cruder exploitation of workers everywhere. Jobs flee America as manufacturing is done by people like Wendy Diaz in Honduras. Diaz told Kathie Lee Gifford what it was like to earn 31 cents an hour, allowed to go to the bathroom only twice a day, be cursed and screamed at, and be able to do nothing about it. There is one unionized Wal-Mart - it's in Ontario.
Wal-Mart's "Faded Glory" t-shirts were made by workers earning 23 cents an hour. Faded Glory indeed! One wishes to ask Wal-Mart, in the famous words asked of Senator Joe McCarthy, "Have, you, at long last, no human decency?"
Most of the workers in these cheap or slave-labor factories around the third world are WOMEN - or GIRLS!. Think FAMILY VALUES here. And two-thirds of employees in the retail industry are women. Retail is marked by low wages, low benefits, poor health care, and powerless employees. The United Food and Commercial Workers led a Women's Day protest against Wal-Mart; according to UFCW Vice President Patricia Scarcelli,

    "We cannot change the economic condition of women until we change the wages and working conditions in the retail industry. And we cannot change the retail industry until we change Wal-Mart. They will not have our consumer dollars to wage war on our paychecks."

The White House, under pressure from workers' movements around the world, has instituted a Task Force on sweatshops, pushing for independent monitoring and a living wage. Wal-Mart has refused to join in. They have also opposed health care reform and minimum wage increase, and defied the embargo on Haiti's former military regime, paying workers 14 cents an hour. Why? That's their job. What's ours?

MUSIC

Wal-Mart tells the record industry what they don't like, and the industry produces special "clean" versions for sale by Wal-Mart - versions which are then resold to other retailers. Not to defend obscenity, but look who's deciding what's obscene? Is Wal-Mart your daddy? They are the biggest music retailer in the country - in many places, the only music retailer. Wal-Mart has become the W-chip, blocking or altering album covers and lyrics - not on your home television, but at the global level. Such power is never restricted to obscenity - it always leads to wider controls. They cause musicians to censor themselves in advance. Get Wal-Mart out of the censorship business!

THE ENVIRONMENT

The more concrete we lay, the more we get in a motorized box to drive to a great box to buy things in boxes to take home to our boxes...the more we box ourselves and the environment in. Mall means sprawl. Look at the landscape that is our heritage, our birthright, and decide if you want it malled. Do you want America to become Generica? Stop Sprawl-Mart.
IT'S INEVITABLE - IT'S PROGRESS.
YOU CAN'T STOP IT. IT'S MORE EFFICIENT.
IT'S CONVENIENT. I LIKE IT. GET OVER IT.

Well, God help us. Convenience and efficiency do not make it right. Placing a high value on economic effectiveness and a low value on human fairness and diversity is not the American way. It's not any way at all, except the survival of the meanest.

IT'S NOT PROGRESS!

Wal-Mart may have won this round, but David did beat Goliath in the end. Among those opposing Wal-Mart are the UFCW, FIEF (an international labor organization working against Wal-Mart's exploitation in many countries), and community organizations from Gig Harbor, Washington, Santa Clarita, California, De Land, Florida, Bath, Maine, Guelph, Ontario....to the fine folks at "Save Our Small Town Way of Life" in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

When you make decisions as a consumer, you may be cutting your own throat as a worker.

BE A CITIZEN

think, learn, and act. It's a matter of community vs. consumerism.....

BRAINS VS. CHAINS

For more information, check out the following websites.
www.wakeupwalmart.com
www.walmartwatch.com
National Labor Committee at www.nlcnet.org
Corporate Watch at www.corpwatch.org
www.sprawl-busters.com
www.theroc.org/boycotts/walmart.htm.
http://www.hel-mart.com/links.php
http://www.1worldcommunication.org/Walmart.htm
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The Anvil
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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2011, 03:00:38 PM »

Mark, just out of curiosity, how do you feel about the Occupy movement?
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
BIG--T
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« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2011, 04:17:18 PM »

Mark you are right and I can sum it up in one word...GREED!!! I heard about the reduction of medical coverage and increase of premiums. As you said , nothing happened with the sexual harrasment  and they pay those poor people hardly nothing so they can pocket more money.

They are now bigger than Exxon Mobile and the bottom line is goverments and corporations fear them!
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Stanley Steamer
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« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2011, 05:31:55 PM »


Stanley, I have those exact same Spongebob boxers!*

*You have to stop leaving your underwear at my house.

That is FUDGIE in the SpongeBob Squarepants boxers.....I'm the handsome one with the Speedo and safety vest......and FIRST place winner, I might add(out of 2 contestants.... Cheesy)

Steamer "Maven of Style!"
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The Anvil
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« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2011, 05:40:07 PM »


Stanley, I have those exact same Spongebob boxers!*

*You have to stop leaving your underwear at my house.

That is FUDGIE in the SpongeBob Squarepants boxers.....I'm the handsome one with the Speedo and safety vest......and FIRST place winner, I might add(out of 2 contestants.... Cheesy)

Steamer "Maven of Style!"

Well whoever's wearing em is one sexy motherf*#&er. But it's all the boxers. I ain't gay.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
BIG--T
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1998 Standard, 2000 Interstate

The Twilight Zone


« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2011, 06:34:55 PM »

Mark you are right and I can sum it up in one word...GREED!!! I heard about the reduction of medical coverage and increase of premiums. As you said , nothing happened with the sexual harrasment  and they pay those poor people hardly nothing so they can pocket more money.

They are now bigger than Exxon Mobile and the bottom line is goverments and corporations fear them!

Greed is not unique to big companies.  I remember how the local music store sold school band instruments to parents who didn't know better.  They charged twice list price.  Our locally-owned sporting goods store made a fortune on Little League and Softball uniforms and equipment.  And our local Florida SCUBA shop charged my friend top dollar to outfit his family with some flimsy bottom-dollar gear.

I can get prescriptions filled at Wal Mart or Costco for less than the co-pay on my insurance.  I'll take that any time.
Z
There has always been greed since the begining of time like the little music store. We are talking a muti- billion dollar corporations that effect the world. On prescriptions, I get mine at the local grocery for $3 and 0 at Publix!
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