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I'm having Terry Klatt (CycleTek, Mpls) install the new Magnacharger blower carb on my Valk. And although that won't happen until next week, he did just finish installing said upgrade kit on another dude's Valk and had it dyno'd. The results? Absolutely no change in max horsepower (140 HP before the new carb, 140 HP after the new carb). However, everybody seems to agree that overall performance in the lower gears (1-3) is much improved - much smoother, and seemingly much more powerful. Terry easily rode a two-block wheelie with dude's Valk (I'm hoping with his permission) and was muchly impressed by the newly unleashed lower gear power. It's all butt dyno, though. The real dyno says overall horsepower is unchanged. On the verifiable side of things, the promised increase in gas mileage is a definite (low 30's instead of mid 20's).  -Mark |
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 06:50:01 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 07:24:09 AM » |
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If you can get low 30's and still make 140hp, that's pretty awesome...considering I only get low 30's stock!! |
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 12:47:27 PM » |
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Thanks for sharing the carb upgrade information.
Bob Stiegemeier IMO is the guru on Eatons and he has proven on numerous S/C cars that his porting a supercharger will increase efficiency, adds boost in many cases, and lowers inlet air temps with the net being an increase in HP.
While you have your bike apart why not invest about $250 with Bob, he turns stuff around in a day or two, and you can see for not much cost if the net is an increase in HP since the carb alone yielded no hp increase? I had him do some work on an E55 car and never had it dynoed afterword so I cannot prove it but my car did feel much stronger.
Spookshow give Bob a call and see what he says, he is passionate about Eatons.
Bob Stiegemeier
LEADER in ported EATON Superchargers and Rebuilds!
AUTHORIZED EATON RE MANUFACTURER
636-949-2275
2600+ Units ported to date.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 02:03:03 PM » |
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Spookshow give Bob a call and see what he says, he is passionate about Eatons.
Bob Stiegemeier
LEADER in ported EATON Superchargers and Rebuilds!
AUTHORIZED EATON RE MANUFACTURER
636-949-2275
2600+ Units ported to date.
More importantly can you give me the serial numbers off of the rotor pack plate? Bob wanted me to give him the numbers off the blower but I cant see any with the unit bolted on the bike and I'm not going to pull it off to look. |
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spookshow
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 08:32:51 AM » |
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Got my bike back from Cycletek yesterday, and all I can saw is WOW  The difference between the new kit and the old kit is like the difference between the old kit and no blower at all. I didn't get my bike dyno'd, but I concur that there probably isn't any overall increase in horsepower - winding it out in 5th gear feels pretty much the same as with the old kit. What's different now is how fast you get all that horsepower. I don't really know how to describe it except to say that my Valk revs like a crotch rocket now. EG, with the old kit my bike went vrroooOOOOOoooom vrrroooOOOOOooomm, and now it goes VRUM!!! VRUM!!! I can break the rear tire loose and/or pull the front wheel off the ground in 2nd and 3rd gear without half trying now - something I could only accomplish in 1st gear with the old kit. Apart from being a bit smoother overall, driveability is basically unchanged. However, it does run a bit more cold-blooded than it used to - tending to surge pretty crazily at idle until it's been running for 5 minutes (or so). I haven't had a chance to verify the increased gas mileage yet (and given the way I've been stomping on this thing, it probably wouldn't be a fair test  ) Suffice it to say, I recommend the new kit. It's all good news as far as I'm concerned -Mark |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 08:54:11 AM » |
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I've heard pros & cons re. upgrades for the engine when installing a blower. What is the best approach for that and what is the very least one should do and be safe, i.e., not blowing the engine up? I've done just about everything else the bike, soooo......who knows!!!
Just curious about the strength of the drive shaft, u-joint, stuff like that. How has the serviceability been, any breakdowns?
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 09:40:59 AM » |
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I bought my Valk new and put the blower on it when there were 13 miles on the odometer. Apart from the exhaust (Viking), ICM (Dyna 3000) and the blower itself, everything is stock. 34K miles so far and not a single breakdown (large or small). All I do is change the oil, plugs and filters occasionally, fill it with gas and drive -Mark |
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 09:45:54 AM » |
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The million-dollar question:
Who's offering a supercharger kit for the Valkyrie these days?
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 10:19:46 AM » |
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The million-dollar question:
Who's offering a supercharger kit for the Valkyrie these days?
Magnacharger is still selling the kits. |
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Jeff K
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 10:34:33 AM » |
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Got my bike back from Cycletek yesterday, and all I can saw is WOW When I put the S&S G on mine the difference was scary, It had so much throttle response it would pull the front wheel in third. But I never could get the mileage under control, it was only getting 17 mpg at 75-80 mph cruising . That is why I went to EFI. Not I have the best of both worlds. I got 168 hp out of it with the S&S G. Now that I finally have a home again It's time to set up the dyno and finish my projects. I've got three blown EFI Valks to "finish up". |
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 10:55:36 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2009, 06:39:13 AM » |
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I'm not sure where the increased gas mileage comes from. My guess is that pushing gas through the blower and into the center of the intake is more efficient than the old design (shooting gas down a J-tube and into the back end of the intake). Or maybe the carb is just better, I dunno. The nice thing is that it just bolts on and runs - Terry didn't have to do any fine-tuning at all. A couple of other side benefits of the new kit - no more fuel pump to worry about (it's back to being gravity-fed like a stock Valk). Also, there's a cable with a knob for adjusting the idle. So, instead of pulling the gas tank and poking around with a screwdriver, just reach down and give the knob a twist -Mark |
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009, 09:56:53 AM » |
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is any body installing bigger pistons in the valk safely as appossed to a supercharger.is the supercharger the only way to gain the best power and reliability.need some help on making a choice.also need somebody to refer a trustworthy motorcycle machanic i cant trust these guys where i live in S.florida.what is the most cost affective way to enhance the valk.THANKS
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2009, 09:00:55 PM » |
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Spook, glad to hear the conversion went so well.
This doesnt look too hard at all. What carb came with the kit? Mikuni HSR48 or something like that? I may just mill out my own intake adapter and just buy a carb and try this during the winter.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2009, 05:39:49 PM » |
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Spook, glad to hear the conversion went so well.
This doesnt look too hard at all. What carb came with the kit? Mikuni HSR48 or something like that? I may just mill out my own intake adapter and just buy a carb and try this during the winter.
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"We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?"
Gen. John W. Vessey, USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the assault on Granada
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 04:03:02 PM » |
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Spook, glad to hear the conversion went so well.
This doesnt look too hard at all. What carb came with the kit? Mikuni HSR48 or something like that? I may just mill out my own intake adapter and just buy a carb and try this during the winter.
bump, inquiring minds want to know The one that came with my kit does not have a model number on it that I can see, but if you point me to a site somewhere I can look at different models, I can tell you which one it matches, at least externally. On a slightly different note, those of you that have tried the new style manifold, did you do anything with the inside casting on this? Mine is really rough, like pretty good sized blobs of aluminum in the ports. Any benefit to smoothing these out or having the manifold interior flow polished? |
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2011, 09:32:14 PM » |
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It's Mikuni HSR45...
Yes, I know it's old topic, but I'm thinking to get something new to 1gen MagnaCharger and it's going
propably to be 2xHSR45 or EFI.
What EFI's people have used or tried?
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2011, 09:01:17 AM » |
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If not a secret, what's the price of the kit?!
Tried emailing Magnacharger, but it didn't get through for some reason..
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2011, 01:18:05 PM » |
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The last price I knew was $4200 to your door.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2011, 02:29:10 PM » |
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JeffK
I was toying with the idea of fuel injecting my Valk.
What system are you using and what would be the cost?
I was thinking using GL1500 GW intakes and carb bodies and using the megasquirt system.
There is a guy in Cal that makes a conversion kit to turn the carbs into throttle bodies.
What is your method and thoughts?
Thanks
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2011, 03:03:51 PM » |
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JeffK
I was toying with the idea of fuel injecting my Valk.
What system are you using and what would be the cost?
I was thinking using GL1500 GW intakes and carb bodies and using the megasquirt system.
There is a guy in Cal that makes a conversion kit to turn the carbs into throttle bodies.
What is your method and thoughts?
Thanks
I'm using DTA Pro8 emus. They are obsolete already. But I'm not willing to upgrade to the S8 model yet. I hear that the Mega squirt is a good system. I've never used it though. |
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2011, 07:49:01 PM » |
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Does anyone have any "story" about installing EFI to Valk?
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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2011, 04:21:34 AM » |
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Does anyone have any "story" about installing EFI to Valk?
What kind of "story" would you like? |
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2011, 09:59:33 PM » |
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Does anyone have any "story" about installing EFI to Valk?
What kind of "story" would you like? Didn't notice, that you answered this one...Sorry... Been thinking to go EFI with blower (1st generation), but don't know much about it. Need to know what parts needed, install and tune. Everything helps... |
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2011, 08:17:29 AM » |
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Does anyone have any "story" about installing EFI to Valk?
What kind of "story" would you like? Didn't notice, that you answered this one...Sorry... Been thinking to go EFI with blower (1st generation), but don't know much about it. Need to know what parts needed, install and tune. Everything helps... It costs a LOT of money. It takes a lot of time. It seems that everyone has their opinion of which controller to use. And that is and of it's self determines how much "outside help" you can get. Building a map is hands down the hardest part. Very time consuming and tough to do with out a lot of dyno time. If you want to discuss in detail we can do it on another thread or PM if you'd like |
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2011, 12:11:28 PM » |
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It costs a LOT of money. It takes a lot of time. It seems that everyone has their opinion of which controller to use. And that is and of it's self determines how much "outside help" you can get. Building a map is hands down the hardest part. Very time consuming and tough to do with out a lot of dyno time. If you want to discuss in detail we can do it on another thread or PM if you'd like [/quote] Well, my freind owns a shop where they make turbo and other mods. They have dyno and tools to make maps... I'am not in a hurry, just bought Mikuni HSR 45 and going to install that one like new Magnacharger style, letting the j-tube away (probably try to fit big HD-style Ultima Performance-airfilter cover on the side too). But, I'am more than interested to heard those "EFI" mods (world is going that way)... Someones story about EFI-mod is on the wishlist  |
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