Texas question ?

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Checking out a tv show on the assassination of John F. Kennedy is Dealey Plaza still the same as in 1963 ? Did they make it a historic site ? The grassy knoll and the Texas School Book Depository building still there ? If so can you go in the building and check it out ?

[Daniel Meyer]

Yep, it's the same. There is a "6th floor museum" in the School book depository that you can check out.

Trivia: I had a vendor friend for a while that anytime he visited our building (we're a block or so away) he would visit the grassy knoll and drop empty shell casings in the grass and mash them into the ground with his foot.

There's always somebody out there with a metal detector...

I can't even imagine the number of people out there with "evidence" of the conspiracy  !

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Yep, it's the same. There is a "6th floor museum" in the School book depository that you can check out.

Trivia: I had a vendor friend for a while that anytime he visited our building (we're a block or so away) he would visit the grassy knoll and drop empty shell casings in the grass and mash them into the ground with his foot.

There's always somebody out there with a metal detector...

I can't even imagine the number of people out there with "evidence" of the conspiracy  !

Care to share your thoughts Daniel ? Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone ? What's the deal with the three name killers ? James Earl Ray,John Wilkes Booth, etc.....several notable serial killers— Gary Leon Ridgway, John Wayne Gacy, and Paul John Knowles nine of the top 20 serial killers in the United States, ranked by body count, are known by three names 

[Daniel Meyer]

Well, keep in mind it happened about a year before I was born...but alone, I expect so. I don't believe in big conspiracies generally..."they" can't keep secrets if more than two people are involved (and I think ya gotta have at least two to have a conspiracy)

The impossible shot(s) is(are) not impossible. I know have a dozen folks that could do it...at night...from another 1000 yards away, with sand in their eyes, and a trainer whacking on the back of the head with a dead cat, etc... 

But there are at least three conspiracy museums downtown...there's money in it!

[Gear Jammer]

I'm one of the conspiracy nuts Joe.  Oswald may have been a lone shooter, but I'm not convinced he was acting alone.  And I'm old enough that I remember it all as it happened, including seeing Oswald being shot at the Police station by Ruby, the bar owner with alleged ties to the mob.  I could tell you what my Dad said, but it would spark a string of replies here that I don't want to have to respond.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I'm one of the conspiracy nuts Joe.  Oswald may have been a lone shooter, but I'm not convinced he was acting alone.  And I'm old enough that I remember it all as it happened, including seeing Oswald being shot at the Police station by Ruby, the bar owner with alleged ties to the mob.  I could tell you what my Dad said, but it would spark a string of replies here that I don't want to have to respond.

The one thing that kinda bothers me is how so many folks run for the grassy knoll after the first hit...He got off three shots with two hitting JFK this show claims the first shot hit the redlight     Thanks for the response Daniel  / Bobby 

[LandElephant]

Joe,
Keep in mind the Lee Harvey Oswald was a trained shooter, a former Marine.  I don't know about conspirecies but I was a live when that happened (almost 12).

Charlie Morse
Land Elephant

[Jess Tolbirt]

i was in school in the third grade just down the road from there.

[Jack]

I was in the fourth grade.  Had to go to the office to turn in attendance and heaard about the shooting.  Came back and told the teacher.  She made me sit in the hall for being a liar.  Word officially came from the office and I got to take my seat after a bit.
I think there was a conspiracy and my 4th grade teacher was behind it all.

[Serk]

My mom worked at the school book depository at the time, and was around the corner when it all happened... She met him (He worked at the school book depository) but never got to know him or anything.

I also tend to believe that "they" can't keep secrets, and if there was something to it, we'd have known by now. But... I also find Jack Ruby's actions very... odd... and suspicious as well.

[The Anvil]

What if there were two shooters acting separately with no connection between them?

[BF]

What if there were two shooters acting separately with no connection between them?

I don't believe that.  There might have been two shooters, but if there were, they were working on concert. 

btw......I was nine and home from school sick that day.  Watched the whole thing on the old black and white.  I remember my mom cried that day.  It was a sad day for the country.   

[The Anvil]

What if there were two shooters acting separately with no connection between them?

I don't believe that.  There might have been two shooters, but if there were, they were working on concert. 

btw......I was nine and home from school sick that day.  Watched the whole thing on the old black and white.  I remember my mom cried that day.  It was a sad day for the country.   

Actually, I don't believe there was more than one shooter. But the point I was making was that it wasn't necessarily a conspiracy. It's well within the realm of possibility that there were two shooters who would know nothing of each other's presence. Stranger coincidences have occurred.

[bscrive]

The truth is usually stranger than any fiction.  I don't think we will ever really know.  Soon, anyone who had anything to do with it will be dead.

[Rocketman]

I believe that Oswald worked alone, but he actually was shooting at the real shooter, not at Kennedy.  He was, unfortunately, too late.  The real shooter died as his bullets struck Kennedy.  Ruby was in on the conspiracy, but only killed Oswald in revenge for killing his good friend, who was the actual shooter.
The real mystery is:  Where did the body of the actual shooter go?  I believe that it was taken into, and buried in the tunnels below Dallas.  These tunnels were built originally by the first kings, to facilitate a quick escape in case the Mongols invaded.

It's also possible that I'm a complete nutcase.

[RainMaker]

Drive down Elm Street often to get on I-35 and that route is in front of the Depository and towards the triple overpass.  I always think about that day when I drive past that spot.  It has changed very little in the last 48 years.

Nov 22nd, 1963, I was in 2nd grade in Fort Worth.  My mom was going to take me and my sister to the breakfast in downtown Fort Worth at the Hotel Texas so that we could see the President, but my sister was sick so I went on to school and Mom stayed home.  I remember my teacher (Mrs. Dougherty) leaving the room to talk to someone, came back in saying "the President has been shot" and turned on the radio that was part of the old phonograph we had in the classroom.  Then we were sent outside for an unscheduled recess.  After 30 minutes, they brought us back in and we were listening to the radio when the announcer said the President was dead.  Really shook up some of my classmates and the teacher was crying.  Within an hour, they had called all of the parents and told them school would close early.  I went home and Mom, my sister and I watched TV the rest of the day.

I have the Fort Worth Star Telegram from Friday morning (Nov 22nd) that says "Welcome Mr. President"  with a big picture of JFK and Jackie getting off of Air Force One at Carswell AFB and the ones from that afternoon with the headlines "Kennedy Dead".  My grandfather saved them and now I save them.

I think Oswald was a loner because, like Serk said, it's hard to keep secrets.  Oswald didn't get the job at the Book Depository just to have a sniper's perch - Kennedy's visit and parade route were planned after he had started working there.  He was a nothing who wanted to be "something" and killing someone famous would make him famous.  

Often wonder what would have happened if Kennedy had not been shot and had been re-elected to a second term.

  

[Dogg]

2 shooters absolutely. Shot from high and behind but, the kill shot was fom the forward right side the blew blood all over Jackie. That shot took the back half of his skull out. Government black ops is what it was. Oswald was the fall guy. They set him up for this. Scapegoat I guess.

[thumper]

I am a Kennedy assassination buff from way back.  I went to Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 2003 for the 40th anniversary and was amazed at little had changed from that fateful day.  The only thing I could see missing was the "Stemmons Freeway" sign that blocked part of the Zapruder film.  Even the stockade fence is still there at the top of the grassy knoll.

I was a conspiracy believer for years but the facts really point to Oswald being the only shooter.  An interesting fact about Oswald was that he took a shot at retired general Edwin Walker only a few weeks before in an effort to make his mark on the world.

A lot of similarities between between Oswald and John Wilkes Booth.  Both misguided youths that wanted their names in the history books.  In that sense they achieved their goals....right down to their middle names.

Kind of a nasty little fact but that memorable picture of Jackie on the trunk of the presidential limosene reaching out to help secret service agent Clint Hill climb into the car....she's actually reaching for a hamburger sized chunk of the president's brain that was bouncing along the  trunk.

[The Anvil]

I believe that Oswald worked alone, but he actually was shooting at the real shooter, not at Kennedy.  He was, unfortunately, too late.  The real shooter died as his bullets struck Kennedy.  Ruby was in on the conspiracy, but only killed Oswald in revenge for killing his good friend, who was the actual shooter.
The real mystery is:  Where did the body of the actual shooter go?  I believe that it was taken into, and buried in the tunnels below Dallas.  These tunnels were built originally by the first kings, to facilitate a quick escape in case the Mongols invaded.

It's also possible that I'm a complete nutcase.

Awesome. 

[BigAl]

It can be kept a secret if one of the two conspirators is dead.

I don't even believe it was the real Lee Harvey.

I believe it was a Russin spy sent in his stead, but that may be why he was killed so quickly.

Before it leaked.

[thumper]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker

[art]

What if there were two shooters acting separately with no connection between them?

To much of a coincidence

[¿spoom]

Not going to re-do everything but there's one thing that's bothered me from the get-go. I've read the original hardcover Warren Commision report cover to cover, and things that didn't fit the conclusions were simply omitted. No mention of the curb section that was cut out and cannot be found now, and other things as well. Makes it hard to have any trust.

[Valkahuna]

I believe that Oswald worked alone, but he actually was shooting at the real shooter, not at Kennedy.  He was, unfortunately, too late.  The real shooter died as his bullets struck Kennedy.  Ruby was in on the conspiracy, but only killed Oswald in revenge for killing his good friend, who was the actual shooter.
The real mystery is:  Where did the body of the actual shooter go?  I believe that it was taken into, and buried in the tunnels below Dallas.  These tunnels were built originally by the first kings, to facilitate a quick escape in case the Mongols invaded.

It's also possible that I'm a complete nutcase.

I think that a spaceship with a bunch of aliens in it, swooped down and picked up the dead body of the "real" shooter. LMAO 

[¿spoom]

There's  special on right now on the History Channel.

[Stude]

 I think it was a mob hit and the CIA was behind it and Ruby was hired to tie up loose ends.

[Skinhead]

What if there were two shooters acting separately with no connection between them?

That would be quite a coincidence.

[HayHauler]

I agree.  At the exact same spot, exact same time, and even the same city?   Hmmm...

Hay
Jimmyt

[F6Mark]

I never believed in the lone gunman- and although in my entire life I have never had cable TV, one of my uncles sent me a Kennedy assasination conspiracy video he taped from a History channel program- 6 hours as I recall.
They have ex-CIA agents on tape admitting they were asked to volunteer for a government leader assasination, and they also pointed out that a gunman can stand in a drain pipe and point a rifle out the gutter cutout in the curb and sight along the road, and anything coming up the road is like being in a shooting gallery. 
I do wish we could pin it on someobody.

[Gear Jammer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker

Interesting read Thumper.