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Author Topic: You didn't See Me  (Read 1359 times)
BigAl
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« on: November 22, 2011, 06:02:39 PM »

You didnt see mepowered by Aeva
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 06:06:15 PM »

 Cry
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old2soon
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 06:13:33 PM »

I've read the poem before but when you see it as this video lays it out it has a LOT more impact. cooldude Thanks BigAl. coolsmiley We get it-sorry to say the average cage driver probably don't. Cry Make sure they see you and RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 08:34:07 PM »

Makes you wonder if even this method to get noticed would work.....

What do we have to do to get noticed?powered by Aeva
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 08:43:50 PM »

I don't even want to know where that guy put that toll transponder.   crazy2

However, chicks on the sport bikes got my attention.   cooldude
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MartinT
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 09:37:32 PM »

OK Ladies and gentlemen, enough of this crap.

The fact is that we will NOT get noticed, nor seen, nor heard, nor smelled any better than we are now for the foreseeable future- at least not in this country.

If we want to continue to ride our bikes and live, there is no other option than to train, get trained, teach, be taught and to constantly increase our mental and riding skills to deal with traffic, terrain, cagers who do not see us, and what have you.

There is a reason why motorcycle police officers have a very low incident rate - they train constantly for the unexpected, and know how to predict car drivers behavior.

I believe that videos like this are not helpful, and that they may actually be detrimental as they can be perceived as shifting responsibility for bikers safety to cagers. They are not in a position to accept that responsibility, given that that a drivers license does not include any useful training regarding motorcylists. Cell phones are a part of life- including while driving no matter what laws are implemented.

We will not get noticed - so stop bitching about it and deal with it or stop riding.

Martin
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 05:43:48 AM »

Slightly dated but interesting:  www.hg.org/article.asp?id=7648
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 07:43:14 AM »

Ah Martin,tell that to the several bikers killed when a garbage truck ran over them at a stop light or the one's killed when someone crossed the median and took then out.You can train all you want but cagers are so distracted they have to make decisions when they screw up.If a biker is involved,and it is the easiest way out,the biker will lose.The reason bike cops have a low incident rate is cops have all the lights and uniform showing.Granted they are well trained,but they will lose in a split second decision made be a distracted cager.....JB. Wink Wink Wink
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mario
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 07:55:23 AM »

and then there are the drivers who are aiming for you.  2 recent incidents of alleged hit and runs that occurred to 2 different mc groups in the houston area.  i don't know if they were riding solo or in a group.
one drivers is still out there and the other, a witness got his tag number.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 08:14:24 AM »

 Most of my riding is in the country where livestock and wild life are my primary concern. But no mater where I am, if a vehicle is approaching me I know they will absolutely cross the center line. Angry Likewise at a cross road that they are defiantly going to pull out in front of me. tickedoff Until I see them in my mirror. cooldude

 Keep your head on a swivel, stay alive!  coolsmiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 09:03:00 AM »

Absolutely. I'm not saying that we can eliminate all risks, we simply have to do everything we can to reduce them to a minimum. While riding, everyone behind you is an enemy - even if they are on a bike themselves - and yes, we must be prepared for cars running into us at traffic stops, pull out in front of us, cut us off making a left turn and even the ones who feel compelled to 'play games' with us.

I'm sure most of us are aware of this site www.msgroup.org. I peruse this site at least once a month to read and re-read the tips and experiences of fellow riders.


An interesting quote from one of the pages:

/Begin quote/Most Fatal Accidents Are NOT "I didn't see him" problems - despite what you have heard

By: James R. Davis


I can't tell you how many times I've heard that most motorcycle accidents are the result of someone turning left into them from oncoming traffic. That apparently wide-spread belief has never felt right to me based on my own half a million miles on the road, and it clearly smacks of an attempt to rationalize responsibility away from the motorcyclist.

I have included the complete text of a July 1994 report issued from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety at the end of this Tip because I could not find a URL to let you link to it yourself. [I found a URL to it after I created this tip: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/PPSC/Research/june95.htm.] In summary, however, it makes the following points:

    Running off the road, usually in a curve, often involving alcohol, and almost always a 'single vehicle' accident accounted for a stunning 41 percent of the total motorcycle fatalities. This is more than twice the percentage of any other cause.


    The running of a traffic signal in an intersection, most often a stop sign and most often by the other vehicle, accounted for 18 percent of the total accidents.


    Oncoming, head-on crashes accounted for 11 percent of the total. Very few of these were in intersections and a few were on divided roads. About half were on straight roads and the other half on curves. 58 percent of all these crashes were attributed to the motorcycle rider's failure to stay in lane or using excessive speed.


    Left-turn oncoming crashes, as with the oncoming crash type described above, involve vehicles traveling in opposite directions. However, for this crash type, one of the vehicles is in the process of making a left-turn in front of oncoming traffic. This was the fourth most common crash type accounting for only 8 percent of the total. The left-turn was almost always being made by the other vehicle and not the motorcycle. That is, the motorcycle almost always had the superior right of way. This crash often occurred at intersections (69 percent) or at driveways and alleys (7 percent).


    "Motorcycle down", meaning the motorcyclist loses control of the bike (including deliberately 'dumping' it) and it goes down on the roadway, accounted for another 7 percent of the total. These usually occurred on dry, level, and straight roads.


These five categories account for about 86 percent of all the fatalities looked at. "He didn't see me" excuses could only be used in about half the 'running traffic signal' and 'oncoming' situations as well as most of those categorized as 'left-turns'. In other words, no more than about 20 percent of all these fatalities involved a second vehicle that could have claimed not to see the motorcyclist. That's a long way from 'most'.

Further, while the report goes on to make some suggestions about how to reduce these accidents, it does not read like the writings of a motorcycle rider. To suggest that an important possible countermeasure is to 'avoid excessive speed when entering an intersection' pales in comparison to simply insuring that another vehicle is on your right side as you enter intersections, for example./End quote/

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 10:54:48 AM »

For some reason the running off the road in a curve involving alcohol and single vehicle at 41% of the total does not surprise me. I try to not drink and drive anymore. The point of my reply being even on roads i consider myself familiar with i've gone into a curve or curves a little to hot. I have been VERY fortunate that no one else was where i ended up in the wrong lane. I too live in the country as opposed to the city. I have met my share of vehicles on my side in curves that have made the second/moment/lifetime rather interesting. Yes be careful be aware have the head on a swivel and myself i ALWAYS ask my lord and saviour for a safe ride. I would like to beleive taht all of us on 2 or 3 or 4 wheels and how ever many wheels we are on strive to be safe at all times. But in real life a little paranoia can be a good thing!! Some of them ARE out to get us. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 12:31:09 PM »

The world is full of BS people with BS advice.

As a rider, take the responsibility to develop the skills properly to make yourself reasonably safe on the road.  Be aware that cagers regularly do not see you.  Acknowledging that riders need to do what they can removes none of the responsibility of the cager to clear traffic and see the motorcycles.

Recognizing someone else's responsibility doesn't relieve you of the responsibility to prepare for when others act irresponsibly.   Smiley    

Oh, I think the ads are a great effort.   cooldude    
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The Anvil
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 12:58:53 PM »

Has anyone else noticed this disturbing and infuriating trend of putting the GPS right in the middle of the F**KING WINDSHIELD???
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BigAl
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2011, 02:40:22 PM »

Most manufacturers of motor vehicles put the GPS about where the radio used to be.,

They put these damn GPS Status Symbols yes as you said right in the main field of vision, center of windshield.

I have a GPS and it is in a drawer safely tucked away as it should be.

Get a map.
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GotValk
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2011, 02:41:53 PM »

I think Minnesota and California are the only two states that won't allow them on the Windshield , But living here in MN, I still see them on the windshields anyway. They would be a lot better in the dash.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2011, 03:19:15 PM »

I think Minnesota and California are the only two states that won't allow them on the Windshield , But living here in MN, I still see them on the windshields anyway. They would be a lot better in the dash.

There's nothing wrong with putting them on the windshield LOW where they belong. I mount mine on the windshield and it's well out of my way but some people treat it like a HUD.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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