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Author Topic: How I did my LED's  (Read 1624 times)
alph
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« on: November 26, 2011, 09:12:08 PM »

A couple of years ago I started working on installing LED's on my cycle.  Several people asked me how I did it so I put together a crude video of how it’s done, now the video is 10 minutes long, and doesn't seem to have any rhyme nor reason, but you'll get the idea.  I’m pretty much through with my LED's, don't think I’ll install anymore, but ONE DAY I will start/finish my single wheel trailer project were I intend on using strictly LED's for both signal, running, and break lights.  If I ever get the project started, I’ll show you how I did it.

Enjoy, and please feel free to ask any questions.

Al.


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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 10:19:24 PM »

Nice. Looks like another week without the bike on the road to get this done (if you don't mind me stealing these ideas).
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 10:29:00 PM »

Not bad. cooldude The end result looked good. cooldude
 
 Hard to make a vid without a story board. coolsmiley Next one, lay it out in your head, then in still images, before you shoot it.

 The bike must look great at night! cooldude
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 12:02:20 AM »

Pretty nice!  I've added several hundred LED's to my Valk, and done some similar work on my wing, some time ago.  A couple tips, from the install soaking for many years now:

I installed LED's inside my trunk, in '02, and installed a N.O. pushbutton microswitch in the hinge area.  Worked great, until the switch broke and it turned on the LED's.  They don't draw much power, but they draw enough to completely ruin your battery if the switch breaks.  I said I need something simple and foolproof.  Couldn't find a mercury switch - turns out they have been outlawed by our wonderful government.  So I took apart an old thermostat, and installed the mercury switch inside the trunk lid covers.  Problem solved, it can't fail now.  There are tip-switches available now, from any electronics supply house - I don't know what technology they use.  I trust mercury though.  Simple, self-cleaning, can't fail if you don't break the glass.  You can find mercury switches in older wall switches, and thermostats.

I installed Alpine 5" speakers front and rear on the wing.  Yeah, had to do some cutting to fit them.  But what an improvement in sound!  Who says they aren't weather resistant?  Look like it to me, certainly way better than the paper POS speakers Honda supplied.  The Alpines have synthetic cones, plastic for want of the tech specs to look them up.   They've been in there for years, and have far outlasted the Electrical Connection, then the Blaupunkts I used on the Valk.  Been soaked in the rain many times, and I get them wet sometimes washing it, too.  Though I don't wash as often as some, I prefer to do most cleaning with an air blast, then hand cleaning with Honda spray cleaner.

BTW, Blue LED's are significantly more expensive than all the other colors.  And require higher voltage, so they require significantly different resistors, too.   The energy in a particle of light (a photon) is related the color of that light--with blue photons having more energy than red photons. Here is where the difficulty in making blue LED's comes in: to produce a blue photon, the electron in an LED must give up lots of energy as it fills the hole in the anode. This need for a large energy release places a severe demand on the semiconductors from which the blue LED is made. These semiconductors need an unusually large band gap--the energy spacing between two types of paths that electrons can follow in the semiconductor. It wasn't until recently that good quality semiconductors with the appropriate electrical characteristics were available for this task. Blue was long considered the “holy grail” of LEDs – the missing color in the RGB triad (Red - Green - Blue) used to create full-color pixels in computer monitors and TVs. Blue was the missing color for more than 25 years after red and green LEDs became commercially available, because scientists failed to find a way to make blue on existing equipment. Scientists finally invented an alternate way to make blue LEDs, but the process requires far more complex and expensive equipment, involves much more expensive raw materials, and is considerably slower. Until Fox Group’s commercial production breakthroughs, blue LEDs have been about ten times as expensive as the tried-and-true red and green indicator LEDs.
So if you got blue LED's when you thought you were buying white - you actually got a more expensive product by mistake.  I actually put blue LED's in my trunk on purpose.  Partly because the bike is "Illusion Blue", besides the snob appeal.

BUT - on the other hand - There are two primary ways of producing high intensity white-light using LEDs. One is to use individual LEDs that emit three primary colors—red, green, and blue—and then mix all the colors to form white light. The other is to use a phosphor material to convert monochromatic light from a blue or UV LED to broad-spectrum white light, much in the same way a fluorescent light bulb works.  
So I could be completely full of crap and your blue LED's could be option two above - simply SNAFU'd white LED's that are the blues with missing phosphor...

I still like the blue better.  And I paid extra for the blue LED display on my Escort Passport, and the underlight panel and all the blue LED's on Deerslayer.



Anyway,  that's all I have for now.  Nice job on the LED's...
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 06:33:46 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 07:09:44 AM »

Blue and red lights are not visible from centerline front - that's the law here in CO.  I think it's good in most if not all states.  They are all switchable off, if I run into a LEO in some other state who says they aren't allowed there.  That has never happened in my experience.  It certainly doesn't look like any emergency vehicle, though I do get people chasing me down on the 4-lanes to get a better look at the pretty lights.  Concerns me sometimes,  even though it doesn't violate the letter or spirit of the light laws.  At least they certainly saw me.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 07:55:16 AM »

Blue and red lights are not visible from centerline front - that's the law here in CO.  I think it's good in most if not all states.  They are all switchable off, if I run into a LEO in some other state who says they aren't allowed there.  That has never happened in my experience.  It certainly doesn't look like any emergency vehicle, though I do get people chasing me down on the 4-lanes to get a better look at the pretty lights.  Concerns me sometimes,  even though it doesn't violate the letter or spirit of the light laws.  At least they certainly saw me.

i was riding home from work one night, had all my lights on, when i passsed a cop in the medium, i saw him stearing at me as i passed.  several moments later i look in the rear view mirror and i see the red & blue flashing coming up behind.  he went flying past me, then turned off his lights, turned into the medium to head the other direction.  don't really know what that was all about, didn't worry me since i knew i hadn't done anything wrong.  i'd reather be seen, then hit! 

it's funny stopping at a traffic light, then having people pull up next to you to give you a thumbs up wave, that makes it worth while.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 09:35:29 AM »

Looking very good there alph. coolsmiley Can definitely see the thought that went into that L E D lighting project. Cool You have given me some things to ponder upon. 2funny I really like that extra brake light under the backrest pad. Shocked Just curious-was ya a little puckerish putting the drill bit to the trunk?? Undecided Looks good. cooldude RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 11:09:41 AM »

Very interesting info about blue LED's, Mark.

I love blue, especially for ground effects.  I've been told that it's illegial in Louisiana to have "blue" on anything (while in motion) for any vehicles other than police.

I have a jade and black tourer, and am thinking about green LED's on the body and amber on the engine.  I saw a black Harley with green and red LED's and it looked like something that Santa Clause would ride.  It really looked like a christmas tree going down the interstate.

Does anybody have a picture of a bike with amber on the engine and green on the rest of the bike?
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 11:56:08 AM »

Just curious-was ya a little puckerish putting the drill bit to the trunk?? Undecided Looks good. cooldude RIDE SAFE.

i messed up my first two holes, they're on the right side, right by my radio antenna.  the rest are good. 




Any chances of you guys teaming up and coming down here for the Christmas parade? 

i'd love to!!  that'd be a blast!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 01:03:02 PM »

I have a red and black interstate as well.  I have been talking with one of the local guys here about how i wanted to add some led lights.  this looks super sharp, i might have to see about doing this during the winter...
Great job!  What did you use to seal the holes around all the little leds?
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 04:14:27 PM »

I have a red and black interstate as well.  I have been talking with one of the local guys here about how i wanted to add some led lights.  this looks super sharp, i might have to see about doing this during the winter...
Great job!  What did you use to seal the holes around all the little leds?


hot glue, silicone would have worked good also.  for the trunk you don't have to really worry about it 'cause it's a seperate shell from the "internal" trunk, for the saddle bags i used hot glue, also, not mentioned in the video, on the saddle bags you'll need to use a dremel tool to cut down the thickness of the plastic so that the tip of the LED is flush with the outside of the bag.  be careful NOT to go all the way through!!  do a little at a time.
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