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The Anvil
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 07:32:57 PM » |
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They can have my baffles when they pry them from my deaf ears.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 07:38:36 PM » |
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner, It's a law right. HD's have more to worry about than any Val,
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 07:41:02 PM » |
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner, It's a law right. HD's have more to worry about than any Val,
Until the officer says "nice Harley" and inspects your exhaust! |
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 07:43:57 PM » |
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner, It's a law right. HD's have more to worry about than any Val,
Until the officer says "nice Harley" and inspects your exhaust! Besides, loud is loud. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 07:52:48 PM » |
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I don't go loud. It's just more vibration. Smooth is where it's at.  |
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 07:57:26 PM » |
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I agree that there is a limit and then it becomes offensive (just like those car stereos) but who has the right to define that limit ? I'll do it!
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The Anvil
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 08:01:30 PM » |
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In some cases it's not even as much the bike as it is the asshat rider. Even a bike with a relatively loud exhaust can be kept minimally bothersome with a judicious wrist.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 08:02:10 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
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Valkpilot
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What does the data say?
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 08:08:29 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
I always thought that's what LAW rockets were really for. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 08:13:33 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
I always thought that's what LAW rockets were really for. For that boom boom crap, I've found the best way to deal with it is a loud stereo and a CD of bagpipe music... The pipes cut right through that boom boom crap and pierce right to the idiots that are blaring their crap... |
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 08:14:22 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
That depends. What kind of music is it? If it's War Pigs by Black Sabbath I'd ticket you for not being loud enough. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 08:53:01 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
That depends. What kind of music is it? If it's War Pigs by Black Sabbath I'd ticket you for not being loud enough. War Pigs needs at least 90-DB. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 08:53:13 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
I always thought that's what LAW rockets were really for. Another member promoting a violent solution. The one thing I see too much of daily. American V American. yes I know not all of us are American, I am addressing the internal political struggle in our country.  Uh, I don't REALLY think that he was suggesting firing antitank weapons at other motorists. But then again it IS the VRCC!  |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 08:56:53 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
I always thought that's what LAW rockets were really for. That's a weapon of WAR. Lets hope it dunt go that far. |
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 09:22:16 PM » |
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If I'm sitting next to you in gridlock and I have my thumping base kickin you in the head at 110DB,you will want some kind if regulation.
I always thought that's what LAW rockets were really for. That's a weapon of WAR. Lets hope it dunt go that far. I hunt with mine ! We got big squirrels 'round these parts  |
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Cruzen
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 10:37:31 PM » |
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It does not surprise me. We have had selective noise enforcement here in certain Arizona towns for several years. Back in my old home town in Illinois the late 1960's - 70's if you got stopped by a cop he would run a wire up the tail pipe. If he did not feel restriction the bike got towed and they were not loading them on flat beds at that time and were not too careful about how they picked them up either.
Noise is just another way for people to say look at me. It’s like the kids who color their hair weird colors. Without those socially unacceptable demonstrations against the norm there is no reason anyone would pay attention to them. It's how they get their 15 minutes. When enough people get annoyed by these demonstrations they take steps to reduce their impact or eliminate them completely.
It amuses me how many times I see want adds where folks are looking for stock exhaust systems.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 11:43:47 PM » |
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This is in my city, and the threshold number they're throwing around is 96 dB A, which is pretty high. I don't think a Valkyrie with anything other than straight pipes would get ticketed. I'll let you all know how it goes when they start letting us do test runs past the Noise Snare. I have my rear baffles drilled.
BTW, this will apply to ALL vehicles, not just bikes.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2011, 05:37:24 AM » |
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I have a set of unmolested stockers hanging on the side of the stereo cabinet.......waiting for the sad day that my Cobras are deemed illegal  |
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Chrome
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2011, 05:49:57 AM » |
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Hey Same thing going on around here. Noise police showing up at the popular bike spots like Pt Dover Ont.Bad enough having the dream police but now this.Got my 3 Valkyries and Shadow all with stock,un molested pipes and afew in back up. Last pair even came with the optional triple tips. Adrian  |
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2011, 05:56:30 AM » |
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From what I've read about the 'Noise snare', there seems to be no mention of distance, which is very important, as noise levels must be measured at a set distance from the noise source. If the distance is doubled, noise drops off to 1/4th the sound intensity. A Court of Law could easily question the legality if the distance is not exact.
Using the AMA suggested SAE Sound Test J2825 specifications, i've done an 'off the cuff' test using a Radio shack sound meter (not a legal meter). I tested the sound coming from my standard Valk mufflers (piggies shortened but no baffles drilled). The Valk easily passed. I did the test with Mark's Valk ( aftermarket Viking pipes and mufflers), and his passed also.
The above spec is designed to allow some aftermarket pipes and some muffler changes and it seems to work. Briefly, it's done at the idle speed of the motorcycle (3 and 4 cylinder bikes would be different than 2 or 6 cylinder bikes.) 20 inches from the exhaust at a 45 degree angle using a certified and calibrated sound meter. Sound limit is 92 db at idle. There also is a test at higher rpm which allows 100db. All tests are done on the DBA weighted scale. I think but I'm not sure if this sound test(modified) would apply to four wheeled vehicles but it would have to, for equal treatment under the law.
I attended, by invitation, a sound seminar at AMA in 2004-5. The SAE J2825 was drawn up from results of that seminar.
I think that it's fair. It will allow for mods or aftermarket but shoots down the "In your face' straight pipes. Some might think that it's an invasion of our rights but we don't have the right to interfere with other people's rights. Look at California's new sound standard signed by Ahnold last year, We don't need that kind of legislation.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2011, 06:03:43 AM » |
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The laws that really bother me are the ones that cities (I know of Denver and Sand Diego) that require factory pipes only as well as a noise rating. In Denver technically you can get a $500 fine for having a quiet set of aftermarket pipes just because they are not stock with the EPA stamp on it. Now I hear that riders dont get stopped for pipe inspections especially if they are not loud, but still.....how many cars would be illegal if their Midas mufflers were outlawed??
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 06:38:56 AM » |
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Chris, I agree with you 100%. California's Law SB435 will require that all 2013 motorcycles, and later, must have factory mufflers or aftermarket certified mufflers, and have the sticker on them.
As we all know, California seems to be the leader in this crap, with other states or the Feds following.
Yeah, it should apply to cars and trucks but it seems to me that more motorcycles have straight pipes than other vehicles. If we want attention, we'll get the attention, but not what we'd like.
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Cruzen
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 09:40:35 AM » |
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Out here the posted allowable noise level is 88 db and enforcement was started because neighbors were complaining about loud noise coming from music being played by bands not originally motorcycles. During our snow bird season October/April we have some bars that have bands set up out side. That noise is what started the entire process and believe it or not the beginning of the problem was a folk band playing outside a coffee house in Cave Creek, Arizona. Once the courts enforced the laws and throttled the Cave Creek bar owners down a bit the bar owners pointed to the loud motorcycles and demanded that those also comply with the noise law and the rest is history. It’s not just motorcycles that they are monitoring. http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2011/11/07/20111107cave-creek-noise-complaints-spike-over-last-2-weekends.htmlThe 88 db can be measured at any distance the cops choose but they are usually 50 feet or more away when they take the reading. They have monitoring devices installed on the roofs of their cars. The cops usually park in blind spots near a stop light or sign and get the bikes either downshifting or taking off. Here in Scottsdale they sit in parks along major roads and take readings late at night when the bikers are going to or coming out of the local bars etc. A group of multiple bikes can make a lot of noise. They have been know to take the reading when behind a group or a single rider. Since all our bikes have to go through emissions, threats have been made that they may start taking selective readings of bikes as well as cars at these test stations but I do not know if that has been done yet. The registration on my Valk is up for renewal in February but I’ve got to get my Magna emission tested this week so I will see. We have a lot of custom bike builders here in Arizona and some of their custom choppers do not have mufflers. Paul Yaffee puts them on the baggers he sells but some other local builders do not and even Paul’s bikes are pretty loud when you get on the throttle. The custom bobber/rat bike is popular out here and many with the 88 or similar motor do not run mufflers or baffles. Local news media have reported that several bikes were towed after being stopped because inspections showed lack of muffling devices. License plates were later pulled and I do not know if the bikes were able to get Arizona registration after that. With over 163,000 motorcycles registered in this state and with over half of them in the Phoenix/Scottsdale metropolitan area the noise can be a serious problem especially for communities that rely on tourist trade for their survival. The tuner guys with their loud cars seem to stay away from the monitored communities but I do not know if that is because of the noise enforcement or that they do not associate well with the bikers. http://www.ehow.com/list_7213096_motorcycle-sound-muffler-laws.html |
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2011, 10:14:09 AM » |
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for years in western kansas, my father was a city judge. How he would test people that wanted to dispute tickets was to get one of the citys cop cars, and the offending vehicle. park them 40 foot apart and stand in between them. at 20 foot if vehicle could be heard at idle above the cop car, your ticket held.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2011, 12:06:01 PM » |
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Out here the posted allowable noise level is 88 db and enforcement was started because neighbors were complaining about loud noise coming from music being played by bands not originally motorcycles. During our snow bird season October/April we have some bars that have bands set up out side. That noise is what started the entire process and believe it or not the beginning of the problem was a folk band playing outside a coffee house in Cave Creek, Arizona. Once the courts enforced the laws and throttled the Cave Creek bar owners down a bit the bar owners pointed to the loud motorcycles and demanded that those also comply with the noise law and the rest is history. It’s not just motorcycles that they are monitoring. http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2011/11/07/20111107cave-creek-noise-complaints-spike-over-last-2-weekends.htmlThe 88 db can be measured at any distance the cops choose but they are usually 50 feet or more away when they take the reading. They have monitoring devices installed on the roofs of their cars. The cops usually park in blind spots near a stop light or sign and get the bikes either downshifting or taking off. Here in Scottsdale they sit in parks along major roads and take readings late at night when the bikers are going to or coming out of the local bars etc. A group of multiple bikes can make a lot of noise. They have been know to take the reading when behind a group or a single rider. Since all our bikes have to go through emissions, threats have been made that they may start taking selective readings of bikes as well as cars at these test stations but I do not know if that has been done yet. The registration on my Valk is up for renewal in February but I’ve got to get my Magna emission tested this week so I will see. We have a lot of custom bike builders here in Arizona and some of their custom choppers do not have mufflers. Paul Yaffee puts them on the baggers he sells but some other local builders do not and even Paul’s bikes are pretty loud when you get on the throttle. The custom bobber/rat bike is popular out here and many with the 88 or similar motor do not run mufflers or baffles. Local news media have reported that several bikes were towed after being stopped because inspections showed lack of muffling devices. License plates were later pulled and I do not know if the bikes were able to get Arizona registration after that. With over 163,000 motorcycles registered in this state and with over half of them in the Phoenix/Scottsdale metropolitan area the noise can be a serious problem especially for communities that rely on tourist trade for their survival. The tuner guys with their loud cars seem to stay away from the monitored communities but I do not know if that is because of the noise enforcement or that they do not associate well with the bikers. http://www.ehow.com/list_7213096_motorcycle-sound-muffler-laws.htmlRiding up to Jerome you best be careful also .About ten years ago they started to moniter motorcycles for loud pipes.The harley boys like to let everybody that they were coming.It gets pretty bad up there and there a lot of bikers there on the weekend in the summer time when the bars are having a party.I lived in Prescott valley for ten years |
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