TomT
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BUCHANAN TO OBAMA Finally............ It is Said Publicly. I have never seen the white side explained better! Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it. It is about time. BUCHANAN TO OBAMA By Patrick J. Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks. We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??
Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids...? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing. Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear!!! OK........... will you pass it on ?
YES. I did but will you?
Because I'm for a better America
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 10:54:43 PM » |
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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. I guess white people are the best thing to have ever happened to black people. To bad so many died on the slave ships coming over or there would have been a lot more here to be thankful. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 04:30:52 AM » |
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I googled "buchanan to obama", and came across this recent exchange between Buchanan and Al Sharpton... Buchanan was challenging his interpretation of events. He brought up the issue of the Bush tax cuts.
"And let me tell you, your boy, Barack Obama, caved in on it in 2010 and he'll cave in on it again," he said. Sharpton pounced.
"My what? My president, Barack Obama? What did you say?" he asked. "He's your boy in the ring, he's your fighter," Buchanan responded.
Now it is all over the huffington-post side of the Internet that Buchanan calls Obama "boy"... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Your%20Boy-Mike
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 06:45:16 AM » |
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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. I guess white people are the best thing to have ever happened to black people. To bad so many died on the slave ships coming over or there would have been a lot more here to be thankful.  Really?? When will that be over..Geeze.. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 06:55:02 AM » |
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OK........... will you pass it on ?
Um, no. While there's a nugget of truth buried here and there it's largely vitriol.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent. But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent. Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep. In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 07:11:03 AM » |
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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. I guess white people are the best thing to have ever happened to black people. To bad so many died on the slave ships coming over or there would have been a lot more here to be thankful.  Really?? When will that be over..Geeze..  When should the Jews forget the Holocaust? What's the time frame there? At what point in time does it become safe to forget history because we are no longer in danger of repeating it? At what point it it no longer an insult to those who died and suffered to forget them. How many times have I heard "never forget" in reference to soldiers who died? When is it okay to forget? I want to know. You see it wasn't JUST the slave ships;  That's just the beginning. What awaited on the other side of the voyage (assuming survival) was a life of forced servitude, of your offspring being born into the same servitude and being unable to stop it or provide a better life for them. No one should be able to appreciate the scope of THAT horror better than freedom-loving Americans, right? Well this went on for hundreds of years. When would YOU forget it? Because from some of the comments I've seen here in the time I've been a member we're a long way from being beyond it. You can't tell me that we've given blacks many reasons to appreciate America. And yet in WWII they lined up alongside other Americans (figuratively speaking since in most places that probably wasn't allowed) to fight. We repaid them with more decades of forced segregation and second-class citizen status. When would YOU forget?
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent. But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent. Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep. In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 07:56:48 AM » |
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Forgetting is something no one should do. Using it as a cruch is entirely another. The only place in the world where slavery thrives today is in Africa. Blacks selling blacks. Because of the thousands of blacks that were brought to America as slaves; millions had the opportunity to become free that otherwise whould not have had that opportunity. Slavery was and is a terribly thing. Just as the holocaust brought world wide attention to the cruelty of a Nation against Jews, America righted the wrong and because America did the right thing millions of blacks live in a world of opportunity they would never have known otherwise. In today's world blacks have only other blacks to fear. The Jews, on the other hand, are still fearful of another holocaust from the hands of a fanatical religious group whose scripture advocates killing all those who do not worship as they do. Racism is alive and well in America and fed a regular diet of hate and bigotry by the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world for their own end, not the supposed plight of Black America. This is all I have to say about it. Dubs
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 08:23:36 AM » |
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Forgetting is something no one should do. Using it as a cruch is entirely another. The only place in the world where slavery thrives today is in Africa. Quite wrong. See the "speaking of slavery" thread I started. Black America has myriad cultural issues, there's no doubt about that. But if you think that slavery in the United States is a thing of the past then you're wrong. Is it better than it was fifty years ago? Yes, but the work is not finished. ***Edit: That should have been "racism" not slavery.***
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent. But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent. Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep. In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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FloridaValkRyder
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 09:15:45 AM » |
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I never said to forget..just how long do we have to pay for it..We don't still make the Germans pay for the Holocaust, but we will always have the slave issue. Like Dubs said, it is their crutch, something to blame others for. It, like the Holocaust, was horrible and so wrong. But it happened, we can't change that. Slavery was wrong but it happened. How long do we have to be blamed and held accountable for it.. Many blacks want someone to blame..many do not, and realize that their biggest problem is themselves.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 09:28:42 AM » |
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I never said to forget..just how long do we have to pay for it..We don't still make the Germans pay for the Holocaust, but we will always have the slave issue. Like Dubs said, it is their crutch, something to blame others for. It, like the Holocaust, was horrible and so wrong. But it happened, we can't change that. Slavery was wrong but it happened. How long do we have to be blamed and held accountable for it.. Many blacks want someone to blame..many do not, and realize that their biggest problem is themselves.
Okay, fair enough. I'll agree that there is a cancer in black American culture that uses past and current oppression as an excuse to under perform. Bill Cosby has come under a lot of fire from other prominent African Americans for having the nerve to recognize it. But that doesn't mean that it's not a real hindrance as well. For all of the affirmative action and progress we've made I'm under no illusions that being white not made my life easier. I grew up too close to the kind of overt, tribal racism that holds people back.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent. But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent. Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep. In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 12:17:18 PM » |
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I was born and raised in the W.Va. coal fields. The county I grew up in was 50% black/50% white. Every man was a coal miner or somehow worked in conjunction with the coal mines. Everyone was paid the same for the same jobs. We lived in the same neighborhoods and helped each other the same when the mines were idle. We had no discrimination and no racisim until activists started causing trouble. The time for blaming and finger pointing has long since been over. Be an American, I don't care what your color is, or go somewhere else. Dubs
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 12:35:06 PM » |
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I was born and raised in the W.Va. coal fields. The county I grew up in was 50% black/50% white. Every man was a coal miner or somehow worked in conjunction with the coal mines. Everyone was paid the same for the same jobs. We lived in the same neighborhoods and helped each other the same when the mines were idle. We had no discrimination and no racisim until activists started causing trouble. The time for blaming and finger pointing has long since been over. Be an American, I don't care what your color is, or go somewhere else. Dubs
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 01:35:36 PM » |
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I was born and raised in the W.Va. coal fields. The county I grew up in was 50% black/50% white. Every man was a coal miner or somehow worked in conjunction with the coal mines. Everyone was paid the same for the same jobs. We lived in the same neighborhoods and helped each other the same when the mines were idle. We had no discrimination and no racisim until activists started causing trouble. The time for blaming and finger pointing has long since been over. Be an American, I don't care what your color is, or go somewhere else. Dubs
50/50 huh? That explains a lot. You're not a minority (there's strength in numbers) when the ratio is 1 to 1. 10 to 1? Notsomuch.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent. But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent. Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep. In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 04:03:02 PM » |
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You know what pisses me off? Its too damm cold to ride 
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 06:17:21 PM » |
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I will be riding tomorrow, brother! Dubs
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